I'm sitting in the ED on a particularly slow Saturday night reading Allo's "Worst Moments In Med School" Thread and the topic of seeing your first patient death was mentioned. It made me kind of curious to hear your guys' opinions, concerns, or thoughts on how you think you will handle traumatic circumstances, violent deaths, or emotionally charged life-or-death scenarios.
Personal background:
Working in a trauma center I have seen a fair amount of people arrive either DOA or pass away in the hospital. It's always a poignantly sad thing to observe and through all the painful things I have witnessed I am grateful I have been able to see such a raw perspective of medicine.
One outstandingly rough day, we had a man arrive by rescue, comatose, after having fell backwards while choking on a large portion of his dinner. After removing a large, lego-block sized piece of meat blocking his airway, his head CT showed 4 different types of bleeding in his brain. It was unclear if this guy would ever wake up. His wife arrived several minutes later. She was in tears and absolutely inconsolable. She wondered how things could have progressed from a quiet night's dinner at home to a fitful night in the ER.
It set the tone for the rest of the night. Within 4-5 hours we had seen: a STEMI, a cocaine-meth-alcohol user who kicked my doctor in the face and had to be arrested by PD, a rape case, an angry Russian couple furious (and I mean yelling in the hallway with security called furious) that our ER was unable to provide chronic, long-term care options, a urosepsis patient, and just now, this man who had significant bleeding in his brain while choking on his dinner and had been without oxygen for an unknown period of time.
Once the train arrives, it never stops. The next case was not the most medically interesting, but it's the one that pushed me to make this thread. A man comes in after having collapsed at home following a couple drinks. He had gone into cardiac arrest and was not responding to EMS treatment. He arrives to the ED unresponsive and cyanotic. After coding the guy for an extra 30 minutes, he's pronounced. The trauma team slowly disperses as lines are pulled out and gowns are thrown in the trash. The floor's a mess. Wrappers are strewn all over the room. There's a heavy stench of perspiration mixed with the smell that comes from the EMS's equipment and clothing after so much exposure. The previously buzzing chatter and hollering in the trauma room falls silent following the pronouncement. Business as usual. As my doctor un-gloved and gathered his things, I took one last roundabout past the patient's head. The high-acuity cases and Code Trauma's were always the most exciting to me. The man's head was tilted up and to the right. His eyes were rolled back and lifeless. No shine or glimmer could be seen. He was gone. His weathered, brown face showed an unsettling shade of blue underneath. His lips were slightly agape and looking past his chin was the incredible mound of flesh that was his abdomen. I walked back to the documentation room with my doc asking him about why some people would begin posturing before death.
The doc has the pleasure of informing the now gathered family of the patient's demise. I don't think I can ever forget the reaction of the family members when my physician broke the news. The wife and daughter were both bright-eyed and pretty. They were cordial to nursing staff coming in and I remember walking by the family consultation room prior to breaking the news and seeing the daughter smiling while speaking with some of the techs. She had no idea what was about to happen...
A student at the local college near the hospital, she was here with her two brothers. She was wearing her school's sweater and I figured she was probably around my age, if not a little younger. When we entered the consultation room to let them know what had happened, both of her brothers were wearing sunglasses. It was past midnight, but I knew exactly what they were for. Could I really blame them?
The doc opened with a question about any past cardiac history or precipitating complaints the guy may have made prior to coming to the ER tonight. The family answers surely that, "No, not that we know of," and asks the obvious question, "Is.. Is he okay? Is he alive?" There's a dead hang in the air. It's only for a split second, but in that split second you can already feel the ****storm that's barreling their way. I tensed up a little bit, but kept expression stone cold.
"I'm sorry, but Mr. X passed away. We did our best..."
Trying to put their response in to words is difficult. The wife and daughter immediately and simultaneously shrieked out, "Oh my GOD!" and began bouncing in their chairs up and down while screaming and crying. The two sons, with their black shades, slumped in their chairs a little further and averted their gaze without much protest. I took the moment to muse on how uncannily similar these family members were reacting. The shared behaviors of family were always a little interesting to note. Before too long, I snapped back to what was going on in front of me.
We walked out quickly and left the RN chaperone to deal with the aftermath.
Question:
Is this something that you are concerned about when entering medical school? How do you think you will handle watching someone die under your care? Do you feel anything has prepared you to handle this kind of experience?
More importantly, I want to hear from people who are NOT particularly worried about dealing with these situations. Why do you feel this way? What is your reasoning? Do you think there were experiences in your life that made you better prepared to handle this particular challenge of medical school or have you always felt this way?
I would also love to hear from current medical students, faculty, or attendings and how they dealt with this issue as they progressed through training.
Personal background:
Working in a trauma center I have seen a fair amount of people arrive either DOA or pass away in the hospital. It's always a poignantly sad thing to observe and through all the painful things I have witnessed I am grateful I have been able to see such a raw perspective of medicine.
One outstandingly rough day, we had a man arrive by rescue, comatose, after having fell backwards while choking on a large portion of his dinner. After removing a large, lego-block sized piece of meat blocking his airway, his head CT showed 4 different types of bleeding in his brain. It was unclear if this guy would ever wake up. His wife arrived several minutes later. She was in tears and absolutely inconsolable. She wondered how things could have progressed from a quiet night's dinner at home to a fitful night in the ER.
It set the tone for the rest of the night. Within 4-5 hours we had seen: a STEMI, a cocaine-meth-alcohol user who kicked my doctor in the face and had to be arrested by PD, a rape case, an angry Russian couple furious (and I mean yelling in the hallway with security called furious) that our ER was unable to provide chronic, long-term care options, a urosepsis patient, and just now, this man who had significant bleeding in his brain while choking on his dinner and had been without oxygen for an unknown period of time.
Once the train arrives, it never stops. The next case was not the most medically interesting, but it's the one that pushed me to make this thread. A man comes in after having collapsed at home following a couple drinks. He had gone into cardiac arrest and was not responding to EMS treatment. He arrives to the ED unresponsive and cyanotic. After coding the guy for an extra 30 minutes, he's pronounced. The trauma team slowly disperses as lines are pulled out and gowns are thrown in the trash. The floor's a mess. Wrappers are strewn all over the room. There's a heavy stench of perspiration mixed with the smell that comes from the EMS's equipment and clothing after so much exposure. The previously buzzing chatter and hollering in the trauma room falls silent following the pronouncement. Business as usual. As my doctor un-gloved and gathered his things, I took one last roundabout past the patient's head. The high-acuity cases and Code Trauma's were always the most exciting to me. The man's head was tilted up and to the right. His eyes were rolled back and lifeless. No shine or glimmer could be seen. He was gone. His weathered, brown face showed an unsettling shade of blue underneath. His lips were slightly agape and looking past his chin was the incredible mound of flesh that was his abdomen. I walked back to the documentation room with my doc asking him about why some people would begin posturing before death.
The doc has the pleasure of informing the now gathered family of the patient's demise. I don't think I can ever forget the reaction of the family members when my physician broke the news. The wife and daughter were both bright-eyed and pretty. They were cordial to nursing staff coming in and I remember walking by the family consultation room prior to breaking the news and seeing the daughter smiling while speaking with some of the techs. She had no idea what was about to happen...
A student at the local college near the hospital, she was here with her two brothers. She was wearing her school's sweater and I figured she was probably around my age, if not a little younger. When we entered the consultation room to let them know what had happened, both of her brothers were wearing sunglasses. It was past midnight, but I knew exactly what they were for. Could I really blame them?
The doc opened with a question about any past cardiac history or precipitating complaints the guy may have made prior to coming to the ER tonight. The family answers surely that, "No, not that we know of," and asks the obvious question, "Is.. Is he okay? Is he alive?" There's a dead hang in the air. It's only for a split second, but in that split second you can already feel the ****storm that's barreling their way. I tensed up a little bit, but kept expression stone cold.
"I'm sorry, but Mr. X passed away. We did our best..."
Trying to put their response in to words is difficult. The wife and daughter immediately and simultaneously shrieked out, "Oh my GOD!" and began bouncing in their chairs up and down while screaming and crying. The two sons, with their black shades, slumped in their chairs a little further and averted their gaze without much protest. I took the moment to muse on how uncannily similar these family members were reacting. The shared behaviors of family were always a little interesting to note. Before too long, I snapped back to what was going on in front of me.
We walked out quickly and left the RN chaperone to deal with the aftermath.
Question:
Is this something that you are concerned about when entering medical school? How do you think you will handle watching someone die under your care? Do you feel anything has prepared you to handle this kind of experience?
More importantly, I want to hear from people who are NOT particularly worried about dealing with these situations. Why do you feel this way? What is your reasoning? Do you think there were experiences in your life that made you better prepared to handle this particular challenge of medical school or have you always felt this way?
I would also love to hear from current medical students, faculty, or attendings and how they dealt with this issue as they progressed through training.
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