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Image the following scenario: I'm an M4 Navy HPSP recipient, and I apply to both military and civilian residencies(EM as my 1st choice, radiology as my 2nd, and internal as my 3rd).

I match into a civilian EM program but only an IM program for the military.

Do I have to do the military residency even though it wasn't my first choice? Or can I choose to do the civilian residency and defer serving until after it's finished?

Thank you in advance.
 

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Image the following scenario: I'm an M4 Navy HPSP recipient, and I apply to both military and civilian residencies(EM as my 1st choice, radiology as my 2nd, and internal as my 3rd).

I match into a civilian EM program but only an IM program for the military.

Do I have to do the military residency even though it wasn't my first choice? Or can I choose to do the civilian residency and defer serving until after it's finished?

Thank you in advance.

Not doing HPSP, but there is more than one match. Military match results happen before civilian. If you match into something for military, no matter what or where that is, that is what you are matched into.
 
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You cannot match twice. A match is a legally binding contract to that program for x amount of time (I think it's one year?)
 
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Image the following scenario: I'm an M4 Navy HPSP recipient, and I apply to both military and civilian residencies(EM as my 1st choice, radiology as my 2nd, and internal as my 3rd).

I match into a civilian EM program but only an IM program for the military.

Do I have to do the military residency even though it wasn't my first choice? Or can I choose to do the civilian residency and defer serving until after it's finished?

Thank you in advance.

Military match is in Dec, followed by civilian match 3 months later in March. Match, as stated above, is legally binding, not to mention the orders and rules and regs that come with the military.

It doesn't matter what you apply for and to how many programs for the civilian match. If you apply military match, even if its to a field you don't want in a location you don't want to go - if you match, that's that. You matched. There will no longer be a civilian match for you.





If you are an M4, or approaching M4 and are part of HPSP and don't know how this works, I highly recommend you re-look at your obligations and speak with someone such as your recruiter.
 
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Image the following scenario: I'm an M4 Navy HPSP recipient, and I apply to both military and civilian residencies(EM as my 1st choice, radiology as my 2nd, and internal as my 3rd).

I match into a civilian EM program but only an IM program for the military.

Do I have to do the military residency even though it wasn't my first choice? Or can I choose to do the civilian residency and defer serving until after it's finished?

Thank you in advance.
I am guessing you were trying to say ‘imagine’ the scenario instead of image. If you are in HPSP, you are the navy’s and will go where they send you if you match military. There is a decent chance of this happening, so if you have a specialty you really want you are advised to rank it first and then use transition years and deferment as your next options.
 
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Military match is in Dec, followed by civilian match 3 months later in March. Match, as stated above, is legally binding, not to mention the orders and rules and regs that come with the military.

It doesn't matter what you apply for and to how many programs for the civilian match. If you apply military match, even if its to a field you don't want in a location you don't want to go - if you match, that's that. You matched. There will no longer be a civilian match for you.

If you are an M4, or approaching M4 and are part of HPSP and don't know how this works, I highly recommend you re-look at your obligations and speak with someone such as your recruiter.

Their status says they're a premed, so thankfully it looks like they have some time to get a better grasp.
 
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Many don’t update though. There are physicians on here who are post residency and fellowship as attendings and still have pre Med listed lol.

Sounds like we'll have to rev up the ol' tube of truth just to get a working idea of what we got here.
 
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Many don’t update though. There are physicians on here who are post residency and fellowship as attendings and still have pre Med listed lol.

Ah yes, thank you for reminding me! I am now a current student, 2 weeks into my first year lol
 
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Ah yes, thank you for reminding me! I am now a current student, 2 weeks into my first year lol

In that case, are you doing HPSP? If you are, do as MusicDOc124 mentioned and make sure you fully understand the terms of your contract and match process. You're also going to want a gameplan for boards sooner than your civilian classmates due to training obligations each summer.
 
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In that case, are you doing HPSP? If you are, do as MusicDOc124 mentioned and make sure you fully understand the terms of your contract and match process. You're also going to want a gameplan for boards sooner than your civilian classmates due to training obligations each summer.

I finished applying recently and am currently waiting to see if I've been selected or not, but I'll keep all of this in mind!
 
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I'm assuming you'd rather match civilian. In that case, you could apply to very hard and competitive, minimal spots for military match, and that way you're likely to not actually match, until civilian one.
 

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I'm assuming you'd rather match civilian. In that case, you could apply to very hard and competitive, minimal spots for military match, and that way you're likely to not actually match, until civilian one.
This is bad advice OP. If you do HPSP you should assume you will be doing the military match. There really isn't a way to game the system to get a civilian deferment unless they want to give it to you. (you can list civilian deferment in the match but this requires that the service decided they need more people in that specialty than they can get in the military GME)
 
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So this is how it works:

For the military match it happens it December. Every HPSP student HAS to go into this match, everyone. Depending on the specialty you are applying for, you will have a military residency, civilian deferred, civilian sponsored, or a TY year. The Air Force has a lot more civilian deferred/sponsored residencies- so if you want a civilian program your odds are better with Air Force. To my knowledge the Army only has civilian spots for surgical specialties/subspecialties- and those are civilian sponsored (more on what that means later) I know nothing about the Navy and their match.

It's also more dependent on specialty. For IM/FM/Peds there are very few civilian spots, and even in those specialties they dont fill their military match (that has to fill first before they will spill over to civilian spots). The subspecialties have a lot more civilian spots.

The difference between them all is the military residency pays you as a captain, you make significantly more than residents. Weakness are usually acuity of patients and patient load, these residents are usually academically very strong but their clinical reasoning appears weak. Civ defferred you are approved or THAT SPECIALTY ONLY. If you are civ defferred for emergency- you cannot apply to 9 ER programs and then one IM as a safety...you'd get in a ****load of trouble if you somehow matched into your IM safety. You make what a resident makes (but no sudent loan debt), but generally your training is better. After residency you go back to the military to pay back your 3 or 4 years. Civ sponsored you match in to a civilian program for THAT SPECIALTY ONLY, and the military pays you as if you were in a military residency. You make that sweet, sweet money- but the bummer is that for every year the military pays you as a captain for that residency- you owe them another year of payback (so for a 3 year emergency residency plus the 4 years for medical school thats a total of 7 years of payback).

For the match you will list your order of preference. Most peoples list goes: 1. Military residency, 2. Civ defferred, 3. Civ sponsored. You also have to make a list of TY's that you would be willing to do if you don't match into any of those options.

So, to answer your question: your scenario you propose if you are accepted to and accept the HPSP scholarship is literally impossible.

Choose carefully, this is an important decision.
 
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