HPSP: ORDERS longer then EOAS

[NavyDMO]

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I am a navy HPSP with 2 years left. I am looking for something in writting that gives me the right to refuse orders longer then 2 years. 😕

 

[Portier]

I am a navy HPSP with 2 years left. I am looking for something in writting that gives me the right to refuse orders longer then 2 years. 😕

This is Enlisted experience, so take it for what it's worth:

In my career, the EAOS and Order didn't have to match. That is, you can take orders anywhere you want, but you don't have to extend you EAOS.

If all the detailer offered were three year orders to the USS Neverdock to an Enlisted Sailor, he could take them. A lot of times they'd want you to extend your EAOS to meet your PRD. However, no one can MAKE you extend your EAOS if you don't want to.

I knew lots of guys who took 3 year orders and got out at less than 3.

The ****ty part of the deal for the deal was for the command. You have to subtract the difference between when you got out and when your PRD was to see how long the command would be without someone doing the job your orders said you would do for 3 years.

EAOS = 2 years
PRD = 3 years

Command goes without someone to do your job for 1 year.

Receiving commands hate it when the EAOS don't last until the PRD.

I'm not sure if this is the same in the officer community.

 

[militarymd]

When you submitt your paperwork to get out...your command needs to "endorse" it.

So if your command doesn't want to let you go....you can get held onto until relief arrives.

 

[IgD]

What did the detailer say when you spoke with him? You did speak with him right???

I am a navy HPSP with 2 years left. I am looking for something in writting that gives me the right to refuse orders longer then 2 years. 😕

 

[DeepSeaDoc]

What did the detailer say when you spoke with him? You did speak with him right???

So, somebody has a question about how the military may trick / force / coerce them into taking orders that extend their commitment, and you recommend talking to the detailer about it? {And your tone seems to imply that this is the obvious thing to do... please correct me if I'm wrong}

That's almost as funny as asking your recruiter to point out the loopholes in your contract (or asking your recruiter anything else for that matter.)

My 15 yrs of military experience leads me to the conclusion that the detailer works for the Navy, not for the sailor. Not the person to ask a question like that, at least not if you want the truth. {Of course, if you want 3 year unaccompanied orders to Antarctica, then you might ask...}

 

[NavyDMO]

What did the detailer say when you spoke with him? You did speak with him right???

We have a chain of command. Our class leader is pre-detailed and tried to start negotiations with the detailer on our behalf. All communication has been ended bt the higher ups

 

[usnavdoc]

We have a chain of command. Our class leader is pre-detailed and tried to start negotiations with the detailer on our behalf. All communication has been ended bt the higher ups

Id suggest getting in touch with practicing DMOs. The cadre there at NUMI arent helping or giving advice? I guess you are in phase 3 which means you are running out of time before you get orders.

Hope this works out for you.

 

[IgD]

So, somebody has a question about how the military may trick / force / coerce them into taking orders that extend their commitment, and you recommend talking to the detailer about it? {And your tone seems to imply that this is the obvious thing to do... please correct me if I'm wrong}

Talking to the detailer first is like checking to make sure your computer is plugged into the wall before you call tech support!

 

[militarymd]

Here is an experience from talking to the detailer.


I was selected for fellowship in critical care medicine. The CCM boards for my specialty was offered once every 2 years.

At the time, my PCS orders would have me start my fellowship 2 weeks too late to sit for my boards after finishing fellowship...meaning I would have to wait 2 years before being able to sit for the boards.

That's 2 years of time as a non-BC attending where I will function as the only subspecialist in a residency program...important for RRC reasons...etc.

I'm boarded in my primary specialty already, so passing the 2nd board makes no pay difference to me....the ISP for CCM is lower than my primary ISP....so, absolutely no difference in pay.

The detailer said he could not change order dates....lie.

Then the detailer went on and advised me to take leave from my command, check into my civilian fellowship, and immediately take leave from my fellowship, to come back to my Navy command to check out....that ways, I can take my boards.

My specialty advisor and the detailer came up with that.....

That 's the kind of people who are detailers.