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Where does one look for a job? Other than recruiters calling me for random gigs in north dakota or ohio I cannot find anything in my large metropolitan area. I see tons of ads for np/pa, but not very many for MD

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Where does one look for a job? Other than recruiters calling me for random gigs in north dakota or ohio I cannot find anything in my large metropolitan area. I see tons of ads for np/pa, but not very many for MD
Call hospital recruiters. Call any PP offices in the area.
 
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AAFP careers website. Back of AFP/STFM journals. Faculty opportunities at a med school (med schools/residencies are ALWAYS looking providers). Each hospital has their own recruiter. go to a big hospital website and click on their physician career website. Hospitals love using their own recruiter so they don't have to pay an outside firm and pay a finder's/headhunter fee.
 
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I found mine in the printed classified section of the NEJM. It wasn’t posted anywhere else.
 
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The larger metropolitan areas are harder to find jobs from what I’ve seen. Try logging onto Doximity they always have jobs posted on it that are targeting me. Do you have any md friends in the city? Tell them you’re looking.
 
what websites do you guys recommend using for job search?
 
I would strongly wager the three websites already suggested would be a good place to start!
 
The mid level phenomenon is expediting nationally in many different fields. Many multispecialty practices I’ve talked to are heavily staffed by midlevels, and some are adding 2 mid levels for every physician. The primary care offices in my area all have at least 1 mid level for every physician.
And it’s not limited to private practice. Most large academic centers are even heavier in their mid level presence. My alma mater, which is a large tertiary care center, is more or less run by NPs.
I feel terrible for newer graduates but the economics of medicine make it so you need to scale up to be profitable. It’s basically what happened to anesthesia but a few decades later.
 
The mid level phenomenon...[blah, etc.]

There are plenty of jobs out there for MD/DOs, especially in family medicine. My group has several openings. PM me if you're interested.
 
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There are plenty of jobs out there for MD/DOs, especially in family medicine. My group has several openings. PM me if you're interested.
We had several openings up until 2 months ago. Once this merger is completely done I expect we will again (as the group buying us had a good 6-8 openings 2 months ago).
 
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There are plenty of jobs out there for MD/DOs, especially in family medicine. My group has several openings. PM me if you're interested.
Yes I realize that there are jobs for FM... I didn't say there aren't. My point is that the encroachment is real. My multispecialty group is seeking one PCP right now. The issue is that for our market, they can easily absorb 2-3. Instead, we're hiring one MD/DO and another 2-3 PAs.
 
Yes I realize that there are jobs for FM... I didn't say there aren't. My point is that the encroachment is real. My multispecialty group is seeking one PCP right now. The issue is that for our market, they can easily absorb 2-3. Instead, we're hiring one MD/DO and another 2-3 PAs.

Sounds like you're part of the problem, then.
 
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Sounds like you're part of the problem, then.
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:shrug: You said it, not me.
Said what exactly? I personally have no mid-levels and have little control over what other partners in the group do with their payroll and overhead.

Me: there is a national trend of hospitals/groups adding mid levels, which I have seen first hand in several different practice types
You: you're part of the problem

I honestly don't even understand your position. What exactly are you arguing against here? Just because your group is hiring physicians doesn't negate a statistical national trend that's out of your control. I'm not championing the massive influx of mid-levels, but this is the response from the market based on the incentive structure. You want to entirely change the current incentive structure of the healthcare system? Ok I'm listening. I'm simply pointing out trends which affect the new graduates.
 
Said what exactly? I personally have no mid-levels and have little control over what other partners in the group do with their payroll and overhead.

I don't work with midlevels, either. However, my group isn't hiring midlevels 3:1 over physicians. It's the reverse, actually - we have 10 physician openings at present (6 in primary care), and 3 midlevel openings (none in primary care). As you noted, it would appear that your group is part of the problem.
 
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I don't work with midlevels, either. However, my group isn't hiring midlevels 3:1 over physicians. As you noted, it would appear that your group is part of the problem.
Every hospital/group/solo practitioner that has ever hired a mid-level is a "problem." Your group has zero mid-levels? I find that hard to believe.
 
What are you talking about...?
Your position appears to be that any group that hires mid-levels is adding to the problem of mid-level encroachment, is it not?
 
Your position appears to be that any group that hires mid-levels is adding to the problem of mid-level encroachment, is it not?

I think you need to go back and re-read the last few posts...

You yourself said that "the problem" is that groups are hiring more midlevels than physicians, and cited your own group (with a 3:1 ratio of midlevel openings relative to physician openings) as an example.

I noted that your group was part of the problem.
 
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I think you need to go back and re-read the last few posts...
Me: my group is hiring mid-levels
You: your group is part of the problem
Me: your group has no midlevels?
You: no, we do.
Me: So therefore you are also part of the problem
You: ??
 
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Where does one look for a job? Other than recruiters calling me for random gigs in north dakota or ohio I cannot find anything in my large metropolitan area. I see tons of ads for np/pa, but not very many for MD

You're not trying hard enough. The statement is laughable.
 
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1. Ask around the FM doctors that you know, working in the area. They all know each other and easily can tell you who is hiring. Although in family med, you can easily find a job without that.
2. Physician Or Physician Assistant Jobs · DocCafe.com
3. Browse jobs | NEJM CareerCenter
4. Family Physician Jobs - AAFP CareerLink
5. google: I literally put in "family medicine jobs ----NAME OF MAJOR CITY---" and got so many openings that I got tired of scrolling after 3 minutes and stopped

soooooo, if only finding subspecialty jobs in a large metropolitan is that easy. I was offered a primary care with part-time rheum job earlier this year.

so ya definitely not trying hard enough
 
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The fact that OP had ANY trouble finding a job for FM but saw midlevel jobs in the same region shows the insanity we've reached in this day and age.
 
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If you want to stay in an area that is hiring mostly midlevels rather than FM docs, consider starting your own direct practice. Scary as hell but very doable these days. Then you're no longer a commodity employee that is easily replaced by employers and patients' minds by a midlevel. As a bonus, you end up with a much better job (and employer)!
 
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The fact that OP had ANY trouble finding a job for FM but saw midlevel jobs in the same region shows the insanity we've reached in this day and age.
I’m not buying it. No one who is competently searching gets to imply the only fm jobs are in rural north dakota. It’s absurd
 
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The fact that OP had ANY trouble finding a job for FM but saw midlevel jobs in the same region shows the insanity we've reached in this day and age.
There is no insanity as long as some in SDN got their 250k/yr working 40 hrs/wk with no outstanding student debt... People don't understand that when you are in demand, you have a high (or higher) bargaining power.

As I said before, I most likely will be fine since I will out practicing in <3 years, but I am afraid the profession we will leave behind will look a lot worse for future generation...
 
The people most impacted during job search, in my opinion, are specialists who will complete training years from now, as many GI/cardio etc like to have an NP/PA improve access, follow a basic intake and chrinic management protocol while padding their income, rather than sharing with a new doc, which will reveal itself as less job openings in those fields. As a point of primary access, most patients generally choose an MD/DO. NP/PA prefer the ability to have a narrower focus and have a doc to run plans/labs by. The big exception to this is psych, where they can hang up a shingle, manage anxiety/depression/add all they want and of course refer all the complicated axis 2 stuff to an actual psychiatrist, which will be a real joy to new psychiatrists.

With that said admins will always look at the bottom line and that complicates things. Fortunatly in terms of population health and “getting it” we do alot for ourpatients that translates into what we manage in the office (fee for service) or quality if we are transitioned to some pop health/quality BS metric (I think)...

In regards to finding a job:
- pick city
- google hospitals/groups in city
- call them, interview, prepare offers, and negotiate as you are in demand

Which city apparently doesnt have jobs? You may be low balled in a super saturated place (ie Chicago which apparently has lots of residency programs and people who would want to stay).


In regards to our profession, my vote is for not extending our conferences to those whose professional organizations say that are better at half the price. Wanna attend? Then you need MD/DO or med school acceptance. Rethink access to us for clinical training and finally refuse to sign charts and supervise anyone. Im nice to everyone I work with but I will not train nonmedstudents/residents. Refer to yourself as a physician, spell out your credentials and training path to new patients. If I refer someone to a specialist and they see a Midlevel first, I generally begin to look for a plan B for future referrals, unless I really like/trust the person seeing them. Reward colleagues in the community who give legit intro access. In a huge healthcare system and big brother is watching? Give a blanket referral form and casually mention the local GI group in town that can get them in in a week and see them via a real doc (that was my go to in residency)....not an issue now, thank God. Dont let the weeny, health care medical home/provider/everyone gets a trophy propaganda from residency/med school filter into your brain. Its true that physicians should not be arrogant, but we must be secure in what we can do and what it took to get there, and protect/respect it.
 
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Where does one look for a job? Other than recruiters calling me for random gigs in north dakota or ohio I cannot find anything in my large metropolitan area. I see tons of ads for np/pa, but not very many for MD
Seriously, the entire county has a PCP shortage. Look at the hospital websites where you want to work. Any recruiting agency will be happy to find you a job - its no cost to you. Just google: "Physician jobs in metro area of my choice".
 
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