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I feel like I wasted my P1 and P2 years

Discussion in 'Pharmacy' started by nexus14, Apr 12, 2012.

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  1. nexus14

    nexus14 2+ Year Member

    May 8, 2010
    As the title suggests, I have nothing to show for my 2 years in pharmacy school. I get good grades (>3.5 GPA), but besides that, I am not involved in anything.

    I'm in some organizations and I've participated in some events, but I'm merely a member. We recently had some elections, and I realized that this year, my P2 year, was my last year to become involved and get a position, so I could do SOMETHING in my P3 year. But alas, this realization came way too late.

    I do work for a chain and I've been with them for 5 years. I was banking on a summer internship with the company but just recently found out that I was denied. Now I realize how fragile I am in this competitive job market.

    I don't have plans to do a residency; I enjoy working in a community setting and would love to get a retail position.

    Any thoughts on what I can do in my P3 year to make up for my lack of involvement?
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  3. TemSirolimus

    TemSirolimus 5+ Year Member

    Apr 28, 2010
    Dude, or duddete, dont worry.

    You have two years left to start serious networking. I mean know as many pharmacists, pharmacy technicians, pharmacy drivers as possible for the next two years. Many here are A type, smart people who will argue that you will only be competitive if you have a stellar CV (see Z's) thread. That is not all true.

    Im not BS-ing you. How about this for proof. I had no work experience, no clubs/organizations thru pharm school, not a single professional meeting, no residency, 3.65 gpa yet had 2 hospital offers, LTC and retail. The kicker is this is all in the saturated east cost. I picked LTC.

    I cant overemphasize the importance of networking. Know the right people and doors will open for you my friend. Add a touch of good attitude.
  4. rph3664

    rph3664 7+ Year Member

    Jul 4, 2010
    Don't participate in events that don't interest you just for the Brownie points. You certainly do have plenty to show for your P1 and P2 years, and that's two years of college.
  5. joetrisman

    joetrisman 5+ Year Member

    n=1 :rolleyes:
  6. owlegrad

    owlegrad Uncontrollable Sarcasm Machine Staff Member SDN Administrator 7+ Year Member

    I do think that SDN has more than its fair share of type A personalities. Not that I advocate laziness, etc. but give me a break - it's not THAT hard to get a job. :laugh:
  7. joetrisman

    joetrisman 5+ Year Member

    Type A personality students already have a full time job...Being GUNNERS! :smuggrin:
  8. Trakker

    Trakker 2+ Year Member

    May 22, 2010
    I honestly do not think being in an organization is a big deal. Having a lot of work experiences and working in different places will take you far.
  9. joetrisman

    joetrisman 5+ Year Member

    I tend to agree. However, it makes me sad as I've talked to quite a few residency directors that mention leadership positions in pharmacy organizations rank highest in pts towards evaluating a resident app. I see a lot of the orgs as self perpetuating orgs that positions just spin their wheels. I'd rather be out getting work experience and doing something constructive than running a drug toss or the like.
  10. All4MyDaughter

    All4MyDaughter SDN Mommystrator Moderator Emeritus Lifetime Donor 10+ Year Member

    I didn't have any leadership position in organizations during pharmacy school.
  11. nexus14

    nexus14 2+ Year Member

    May 8, 2010
    Thanks for your responses everyone!

    I wrote the post in a somewhat drunken state last night after feeling sorry for myself. Writing it had an overall therapeutic effect and I slept like a baby last night (although that may have been the alcohol).

    I also got feedback on why I didn't get my internship, and, for the most part, I know what I need to do to improve myself. (edit: and it wasn't due to a lack of leadership like I had previously thought)
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2012
  12. owlegrad

    owlegrad Uncontrollable Sarcasm Machine Staff Member SDN Administrator 7+ Year Member

    And now all you have is a residency, your own business, and more job offers than you can handle. Obviously you really missed out not wasting your time in student orgs. :smuggrin:

    I am not implying that student orgs are always a waste of time (even if that is how i feel).
  13. All4MyDaughter

    All4MyDaughter SDN Mommystrator Moderator Emeritus Lifetime Donor 10+ Year Member

    I know. I have clearly underachieved. I wonder if it's too late to join some clubs?
  14. rxlea

    rxlea Almost a unicorn Moderator Emeritus 7+ Year Member

    I haven't done much leadership either. Guess I'll be losing points in that category. must not be popular enough :rolleyes:
  15. TemSirolimus

    TemSirolimus 5+ Year Member

    Apr 28, 2010
    I wasnt being sarcastic- i do genuinely believe that SDN forums select the smart, driven individuals, and they sure go places. No denying that. Someone pointed out that n is not sufficient to make statistically significant conclusions. Thats true, but guess who im gonna refer next time there is an opening at my place- someone i know. Most pharmacist at my place are there through referrals.

    Im not sure if owl is being sarcastic about how easy/hard it is to get a job but we had 20 apps for a job that ended up being filled internally.
  16. xtsukiyox

    xtsukiyox Moderator Emeritus 7+ Year Member

    May 19, 2009
  17. TonyRx

    TonyRx Hamburglar 7+ Year Member

    Jul 11, 2008
    Yup, personally I'm a big believer and supporter of networking...however you go about doing so; through clubs, work, casual meetings, conferences, etc. Pure networking and good old hard work has opened many doors for myself, while on paper I merely look(ed) like just another average person. Many students are so focused and dead set on padding their CV's and getting >3.8gpa's while they tend to lack real world experience, exposure and knowledge. Can't necessarily knock them for it, but networking and building personal relationships will win out in the end....in my opinion that is.
  18. owlegrad

    owlegrad Uncontrollable Sarcasm Machine Staff Member SDN Administrator 7+ Year Member

    I was agreeing with you that not everyone will check every box in school, but that is ok.
  19. schamj01

    schamj01 2+ Year Member

    May 28, 2010
    West Lafayette, IN
    I'm worried about my CV being bare too, but with a wife and a kid, it's just hard to be motivated to get involved. I feel like I get so much more out of working (plus a paycheck) that advanced my pharmacy career. I mean, I love dance-off's, toothbrush drives, and hosting alumni; but I also like to practice pharmacy. I just hope it doesn't come back to bite me.
  20. rxlea

    rxlea Almost a unicorn Moderator Emeritus 7+ Year Member

    So I'm starting to freak out about the leadership stuff. I've been on the executive board for our chapter of the state organization, served on an advisory group for ASHP, been an abstract reviewer for AACP (not really leadership but a cool experience), and that's pretty much it. Is that enough for top residencies (yale, BMC, Mayo, Hopkins, etc) or am I pretty much screwed? It's looking like I'm going to pull off the 3.5 and next semester I'm going to bust my ass for a 3.6 with hopefully a 4.0 semester. I'll have a few publications by the time I enter the match and I'm going to pick the hardest rotations...working on getting one at the WHO too. I'm going to strive for maybe one at the FDA.

    No Rho Chi though. Going to try again next year for PLS. Dropped out of the frat for personal reasons that weren't my fault.

    It's two years in and I feel so behind compared to some of my classmates in terms of leadership :( big popularity contest and they all vote for their friends :(

    Tomorrow is nomination day for class rep and I'm wondering if I should give it a shot.

    Edit: I'm also in the COP jazz band. Research experience, rural health program, PhD blah blah.

    If leadership gets the highest points, I don't know what I'll do :(
    Last edited: Apr 16, 2012
  21. Rx MPLS

    Rx MPLS 2+ Year Member

    Aug 7, 2011
    I don't think any one thing gets the "most points"; leadership isn't more valued than good clinical decision making skills and understanding, which it sounds like you are gaining. I think you are being much too hard on yourself as you sound very well rounded and successful overall.

    Only run for class rep if you really want to be the class rep. It would be a bit of a curse if you only did it for CV reasons and were elected.
  22. Rockinacoustic

    Rockinacoustic 7+ Year Member

    Lea, what are your ultimate goals? Will you achieve them through your PhD program , or a residency program? I'm not saying you can't do both, but is it worth running yourself into the ground over?

    "Leadership" doesn't always come through an elected position. It can start from the bottom up as well.
  23. rxlea

    rxlea Almost a unicorn Moderator Emeritus 7+ Year Member

    My ideal job? A hybrid faculty/clinician position. Lots of our faculty do that. Residency would allow me to work as a specialist. ThePhd will allow me to teach and do research. I'd like to go for "big name" residency because that would give me A better shot at a faculty spot (I think?). Plus I hear awesome things about places like that.

    edit although my mentor said I'd get good training at lots of places that aren't big name. I'm very much interested in rural health. But IHS is very competitive in my state. I'd have to work on networking with other rural sites.

    I don't know. I feel confused half the time.
    Last edited: Apr 16, 2012
  24. SHC1984

    SHC1984 Banned Banned 5+ Year Member

    Feb 1, 2007
    Atlanta, GA
    If this was more than 5 years ago then it doesn't count. LOL...
  25. TemSirolimus

    TemSirolimus 5+ Year Member

    Apr 28, 2010

    true dat...only that I am a 2011 grad.
  26. Rx MPLS

    Rx MPLS 2+ Year Member

    Aug 7, 2011
    I always wonder if some types of leadership experiences or involvement are considered more valuable than others. I almost feel that work-based leadership might be more valued than school-based, but this is just a guess on my part.
  27. rxlea

    rxlea Almost a unicorn Moderator Emeritus 7+ Year Member

    That's what I'm hoping! I have lots of work experience.
  28. joetrisman

    joetrisman 5+ Year Member

    Might not be common place but definitely happens. I've heard this from multiple sources about a local program. But then again, its a pretty competitive program regionally.
  29. joetrisman

    joetrisman 5+ Year Member

    I don't think you have anything to worry about with your career goals and amount of inpatient experience. Its harder for us retailers to switch horses mid race :p

    All the same, I think its always important to evaluate your weak points and try to improve them - in my case, looking for holes in my CV compared to what an ideal CV would have. I've got about a year left before apps and will be stepping far outside my comfort zone to round out a confident CV.
  30. floydfloyd


    Mar 3, 2011
    I hope this isn't too much of a derail for the thread, but I think it does apply.

    Everyone should go read "The Startup of You" by Reid Hoffman, the CEO and founder of Linkedin. It's a great read and he gives some very practical advice about networking and knowing what your "assets" are and how to improve them.

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