I think I made an uh-oh

[VFrank]

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Again -- should have started a new thread:

When I was a sophmore in high school, I was in a program for high schoolers at UPenn. There, a part-time faculty member taught one class to a bunch of high schoolers. Four weeks into the six-week program, I was caught for underage drinking and was asked to leave without finishing the class. I divulged this under the "institutional action" part of AMCAS, but I didn't include the coursework in the coursework section because I was never given a grade. Is this terrible? I mean, I am not trying to "hide" anything (I obviously talked about it in my application), but I didn't want to submit coursework information for something I don't have a transcipt for. Help!

 

[mellantro]

Again -- should have started a new thread:

When I was a sophmore in high school, I was in a program for high schoolers at UPenn. There, a part-time faculty member taught one class to a bunch of high schoolers. Four weeks into the six-week program, I was caught for underage drinking and was asked to leave without finishing the class. I divulged this under the "institutional action" part of AMCAS, but I didn't include the coursework in the coursework section because I was never given a grade. Is this terrible? I mean, I am not trying to "hide" anything (I obviously talked about it in my application), but I didn't want to submit coursework information for something I don't have a transcipt for. Help!

Dude you were in HS! I don't even think you should have mentioned this in the institutional action part. I really do not think it is as big of a deal as you may think. Do you still have time to take it out of your AMCAS or did you submit it already?

 

[VFrank]

Dude you were in HS! I don't even think you should have mentioned this in the institutional action part. I really do not think it is as big of a deal as you may think. Do you still have time to take it out of your AMCAS or did you submit it already?

Right, but it was a program AT A UNIVERSITY (a university I'm applying to nonetheless) and I didn't want to get caught hiding anything. I'm not worried about the actual action (I put a really positive "I've learned something" spin on it), but I am worried that I didn't submit the coursework.

 

[samurai_lincoln]

Right, but it was a program AT A UNIVERSITY (a university I'm applying to nonetheless) and I didn't want to get caught hiding anything. I'm not worried about the actual action (I put a really positive "I've learned something" spin on it), but I am worried that I didn't submit the coursework.

The key inquiry here is whether you would have received college credit for the course if completed. If yes, then it should have been submitted. But it doesn't sound like an actual college course the way you describe.

 

[OSUdoc08]

don't put crap like that on the application. you're only hurting yourself. it's not like med schools do an FBI background check on you to make sure you get top clearance to school. they just read your transcripts and thats it.

you don't need to submit coursework in HS if you don't need it. in fact, there is not need to really submit anything except your main university unless you need those courses. the med schools don't know the difference either way.

 

[Bones2008]

you don't need to submit coursework in HS if you don't need it. in fact, there is not need to really submit anything except your main university unless you need those courses. the med schools don't know the difference either way.

This is potentially some of most harmful advice I have ever read on these forums. If you took a course for college credit (even at a community college when you were a sophomore in high school), you MUST include it. If, later down the road, it is found out that you left stuff off your application, your acceptance and even your degree can be taken away. To submit only a record of courses taken at your "main" university, when you've taken some elsewhere, is not only against AMCAS guidelines but is also grounds for dismissal at any medical school. Take the risk if you want, but I'd advise against it.

 

[stinkycheese]

you don't need to submit coursework in HS if you don't need it. in fact, there is not need to really submit anything except your main university unless you need those courses. the med schools don't know the difference either way.

Bad advice. You have to submit all college coursework, completed or not. It sucks. I had my share of taking summer courses and not understanding add/drop in high school and getting bad grades, but better to tell the truth and submit those courses than to get caught lying. Also, the courses WERE in hs even if they were for college credit so Ad Coms wont care as much.

To the OP: You should try to remedy this right away because it sounds like something you could get in serious trouble for. You have given AMCAS conflicting information: that you had an institutional action at a college, but didn't submit the coursework. Be forthcoming and you will not be penalized. Withhold, and you may be up the **** creek.

 

[Jason110]

Bad advice. You have to submit all college coursework, completed or not. It sucks. I had my share of taking summer courses and not understanding add/drop in high school and getting bad grades, but better to tell the truth and submit those courses than to get caught lying. Also, the courses WERE in hs even if they were for college credit so Ad Coms wont care as much.

To the OP: You should try to remedy this right away because it sounds like something you could get in serious trouble for. You have given AMCAS conflicting information: that you had an institutional action at a college, but didn't submit the coursework. Be forthcoming and you will not be penalized. Withhold, and you may be up the **** creek.

I agree. I'm sure UPenn has some record of you taking that class. It is possible you ended up with a 'W' or worse yet, an 'F' grade. If you don't report it, this will be bad news on your part. In addition, because you mentioned it in the 'institutional action' part, they will be wondering where the transcript is. You'd better remedy that sitution as soon as possible. Tell AMCAS you messed up and want to fix it. An honest mistake. Tell them the truth.

Jason

 

[TRUE]

Personally, I'm of the opinion that you should just completely leave it off the transcript. I took a class in HS, during a summer session at Penn State, and I didn't even think to add that class to my transcript even though it was a true college course. No one said anything (and I didn't even think about it until this thread!!). What are the schools going to do? Check every single school in the country to see if you took a class there? I think not. I think people are just being slightly paranoid.

 

[dmk724]

The key inquiry here is whether you would have received college credit for the course if completed. If yes, then it should have been submitted. But it doesn't sound like an actual college course the way you describe.

I agree. I have a friend who attended a governor's school, which was held at a University, but she never received college credit for it, so she never included it in her application. If you would have received college credit for it, then call AMCAS and explain the error - it's understandable enough.

 

[MissionComplete]

Personally, I'm of the opinion that you should just completely leave it off the transcript. I took a class in HS, during a summer session at Penn State, and I didn't even think to add that class to my transcript even though it was a true college course. No one said anything (and I didn't even think about it until this thread!!). What are the schools going to do? Check every single school in the country to see if you took a class there? I think not. I think people are just being slightly paranoid.

Ditto. I did the same at Tufts and received college credit for Physics so of course I put that. But let's not get nuts here, do you think they want to see your "Health Science Honor's Class- Introduction to Human Health?"

IMHO, calm down, drink a beer, get rid of the institutional action crap, and submit. Unless you are a 4.0 38P, Penn will be a tough shot anyway, so why f*ck up your chances with other schools for something 5 years ago.

 

[anitat]

mission complete, who are you??
i did that health science honors thing at tufts one summer too ... in 1998 i think?

 

[VFrank]

I agree. I'm sure UPenn has some record of you taking that class. It is possible you ended up with a 'W' or worse yet, an 'F' grade. If you don't report it, this will be bad news on your part. In addition, because you mentioned it in the 'institutional action' part, they will be wondering where the transcript is. You'd better remedy that sitution as soon as possible. Tell AMCAS you messed up and want to fix it. An honest mistake. Tell them the truth.

Jason

The problem is that AMCAS already verified it, so I assume they didn't catch the mistake (or it isn't a mistake). Should I just wait until the Adcoms see it and try to explain my situation if I get an interview?

 

[VFrank]

IMHO, calm down, drink a beer, get rid of the institutional action crap, and submit. Unless you are a 4.0 38P, Penn will be a tough shot anyway, so why f*ck up your chances with other schools for something 5 years ago.

I got a 42 on the MCAT, so I'm not a complete waste of time. Don't you think a lot of the top tier schools will check on this stuff?

 

[willthatsall]

I got a 42 on the MCAT, so I'm not a complete waste of time. Don't you think a lot of the top tier schools will check on this stuff?

Um, no. Should have left it off.

 

[mooklyster]

Dude, what are you high? You were in high school, if you left, there is no record of it, do not mention it. If somehow, someway someone finds out, state just that. That you were in high school, no harm no foul. My dad caught me breaking in to the liquor cabinet when i was 15, should I have told them that. Geeze, all of those people opting for full disclosure, you are not applying for a CIA job.

 

[stinkycheese]

Dude, what are you high? You were in high school, if you left, there is no record of it, do not mention it. If somehow, someway someone finds out, state just that. That you were in high school, no harm no foul. My dad caught me breaking in to the liquor cabinet when i was 15, should I have told them that. Geeze, all of those people opting for full disclosure, you are not applying for a CIA job.

The AMCAS instruction book clearly states that you must submit a record of college courses taken in high school. Behavioral/institutional issues in hs, not so much.

 

[Mr. Rosewater]

Dude, what are you high? You were in high school, if you left, there is no record of it, do not mention it. If somehow, someway someone finds out, state just that. That you were in high school, no harm no foul. My dad caught me breaking in to the liquor cabinet when i was 15, should I have told them that. Geeze, all of those people opting for full disclosure, you are not applying for a CIA job.

haha 👍

 

[Umi]

I got a 42 on the MCAT, so I'm not a complete waste of time. Don't you think a lot of the top tier schools will check on this stuff?

VFrank, If you really received a 42 on the MCAT, I'm not sure that your transcript will even be a very crucial component of your application. Receiving a 42 on the MCAT proves to medical schools, even UPenn, that you are academically able. It would require a fabulously negative application component to detract from a score of 42.

 

[ms. a]

For anyone not submitting transcripts of courses taken in HS, check your college transcript. Many times, there will be mention of that course, if you used the fact that you took that course in your application to college. It could certainly raise eyebrows if that appears and yet, there is no transcript.

 

[woolie]

Put it down on the AMCAS and rest easy. Do exactly what the instructions tell you to do - which is to list ALL coursework taken ANYWHERE.

Remember, this is medicine we're going into and if you lie on this what else are you going to lie on? If you cut corners here, where else will you cut them. It is not like stealing from your dad's liquor chest, because there will be an academic paper trail somewhere and more importantly, people will actually remember you. When you're 18 or even 20, it's easy to think: who'll remember me? But when you're 45 and you observe some funky behaviour, you will definitely remember the person.

I took an anatomy drawing course at the School of Visual Arts in NY when I was 18. Forgot all about it. Years later, I apply to medschool and there it is on my transcript: C+ and all. Honestly counts for alot especially when it would be so easy to lie.