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Hi all, I am currently re-considering going back to the medical field. I have been reading the post in the post-med forum about whether or not people would do it over again if they had the choice (http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=195799&page=25&pp=25)

I have seen an incredible amount of negative sentiments and many doctors have indicated that they would not go back if they had to choose again. I was pre-med in college and now work in business consulting, I am thinking about switching back and going to med school, but am really hesitant to take the plunge after readying that post. Many people in that post have indicated that Dentists are a lot happier than Docts, so I thought maybe I should post the same question for people who have finished dental school.

So, if you all had a chance to do dental school over again and choose the same career path, would you?
 
biztomedindc said:
Hi all, I am currently re-considering going back to the medical field. I have been reading the post in the post-med forum about whether or not people would do it over again if they had the choice (http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=195799&page=25&pp=25)

I have seen an incredible amount of negative sentiments and many doctors have indicated that they would not go back if they had to choose again. I was pre-med in college and now work in business consulting, I am thinking about switching back and going to med school, but am really hesitant to take the plunge after readying that post. Many people in that post have indicated that Dentists are a lot happier than Docts, so I thought maybe I should post the same question for people who have finished dental school.

So, if you all had a chance to do dental school over again and choose the same career path, would you?

Good question. I would absolutely do it again, no question about it. Oral surgery residency? hmm...? I'll have to think about that a little longer...
 
biztomedindc said:
Hi all, I am currently re-considering going back to the medical field. I have been reading the post in the post-med forum about whether or not people would do it over again if they had the choice (http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=195799&page=25&pp=25)

I have seen an incredible amount of negative sentiments and many doctors have indicated that they would not go back if they had to choose again. I was pre-med in college and now work in business consulting, I am thinking about switching back and going to med school, but am really hesitant to take the plunge after readying that post. Many people in that post have indicated that Dentists are a lot happier than Docts, so I thought maybe I should post the same question for people who have finished dental school.

So, if you all had a chance to do dental school over again and choose the same career path, would you?
No doubt. But, I don't think my liver would be able to take the punishment I put it through after each test all over again :meanie: ...
 
TiggerJSA said:
No doubt. But, I don't think my liver would be able to take the punishment I put it through after each test all over again :meanie: ...
I hate to think about doing it all over again with the current level of cynicism that I've obtained. If I could erase that, I'd do it over again in a heartbeat. It's not so much hard as it is irritating. You just have to learn to deal with aggravation. The key: stay focused on the prize...
 
Teefies said:
Good question. I would absolutely do it again, no question about it. Oral surgery residency? hmm...? I'll have to think about that a little longer...

Why would you not have done oral surgery residency? A lot of people from the med posting switched from another career like IT consulting or business. Did anyone from dental school switched from other careers?

I was pre-med in undergrad and actually applied to D.O. schools, but I was not ready for med school then. Now I want to think about going back to medicine, but so many current doctors and residents are not happy and would not do it over again. Would you say dental students or dentists are much happier than med students and docs?
 
I just saw a survey by the ADA about dentist career satisfaction. I don't remember exact numbers, but something like 90% (yes, that high) were "satisfied" or better with their career. 60-70% were "very satisfied" or better. That's pretty good compared to the AMA survey from a few years back (heard this one on Dr. Dean Adel show) where over 50% of MDs were dissatisfied and would not recommend medicine as a career to a young person.

I'm going to go out on a limb though and say that I think the difference has as much to do with the nature of the job as it has to do with the types of people who choose medicine or dentistry. Most students approach dentistry thinking "That's a pretty cool job. I like working with my hands; I like people. And the money ain't bad either." It's a pretty laid back approach to life.

But so many pre-med students claim to feel some sort of mystical "calling" to medicine. In their minds, they completely over-glamorize the work that they will be doing. They begin to define their entire lives around medicine. Medicine is who they are and other aspects of their lives tend to fade into the background. That is just too much to expect from a job. Now, I know not all pre-meds have these unrealistic expectations, but in my experience many do.

I think if you are realistic about what you are getting in to and what your working conditions will be, then you could be happy doing either. For me, dentistry is a great field, and I'm glad I chose it. Just be sure you find out what it's really about before you jump in.
 
12YearOldKid said:
I just saw a survey by the ADA about dentist career satisfaction. I don't remember exact numbers, but something like 90% (yes, that high) were "satisfied" or better with their career. 60-70% were "very satisfied" or better. That's pretty good compared to the AMA survey from a few years back (heard this one on Dr. Dean Adel show) where over 50% of MDs were dissatisfied and would not recommend medicine as a career to a young person.

I'm going to go out on a limb though and say that I think the difference has as much to do with the nature of the job as it has to do with the types of people who choose medicine or dentistry. Most students approach dentistry thinking "That's a pretty cool job. I like working with my hands; I like people. And the money ain't bad either." It's a pretty laid back approach to life.

But so many pre-med students claim to feel some sort of mystical "calling" to medicine. In their minds, they completely over-glamorize the work that they will be doing. They begin to define their entire lives around medicine. Medicine is who they are and other aspects of their lives tend to fade into the background. That is just too much to expect from a job. Now, I know not all pre-meds have these unrealistic expectations, but in my experience many do.

I think if you are realistic about what you are getting in to and what your working conditions will be, then you could be happy doing either. For me, dentistry is a great field, and I'm glad I chose it. Just be sure you find out what it's really about before you jump in.

ditto
 
I'm not done yet, but I'd for sure do it again given the chance. I can't help but think that location/school also plays a part in the perception of satisfcation. So many people on these forums would have a 180 degree turnaround in their opinion of dental schools in general had they attended my school. I'm sure this situation exists at other schools as well.
 
OMFSCardsFan said:
I hate to think about doing it all over again with the current level of cynicism that I've obtained. If I could erase that, I'd do it over again in a heartbeat. It's not so much hard as it is irritating. You just have to learn to deal with aggravation. The key: stay focused on the prize...

AMEN! I feel like I'm doing a "marathon-sprint"... if I wasn't so intellectually and physically stimulated/satisfied by OMFS, I don't know if I could have done it... (sounded kind of dirty now that I just read that, I'll let it stand)
 
12YearOldKid said:
I just saw a survey by the ADA about dentist career satisfaction. I don't remember exact numbers, but something like 90% (yes, that high) were "satisfied" or better with their career. 60-70% were "very satisfied" or better. That's pretty good compared to the AMA survey from a few years back (heard this one on Dr. Dean Adel show) where over 50% of MDs were dissatisfied and would not recommend medicine as a career to a young person.

I'm going to go out on a limb though and say that I think the difference has as much to do with the nature of the job as it has to do with the types of people who choose medicine or dentistry. Most students approach dentistry thinking "That's a pretty cool job. I like working with my hands; I like people. And the money ain't bad either." It's a pretty laid back approach to life.

But so many pre-med students claim to feel some sort of mystical "calling" to medicine. In their minds, they completely over-glamorize the work that they will be doing. They begin to define their entire lives around medicine. Medicine is who they are and other aspects of their lives tend to fade into the background. That is just too much to expect from a job. Now, I know not all pre-meds have these unrealistic expectations, but in my experience many do.

I think if you are realistic about what you are getting in to and what your working conditions will be, then you could be happy doing either. For me, dentistry is a great field, and I'm glad I chose it. Just be sure you find out what it's really about before you jump in.

beautiful 👍

to the OP:

please make your judgement independently and use commen sense and realism. i say this because the post-med forum may not be the best way to know whether or not the meds woul do it all over again. although most SDNers will say that i am one distrustfull son of a gun, but here 's my opinion about meds and post-meds:

[oh by the way, i hope you realize that 99.99999% of pre-meds who claim the "calling" or the "my sister had a great doc when we wewre kids and now i wanna be like him/her" are lying. they use these unimaginative lies in their ps and their inTview and off ocurse the inTviewers know but it just goes on. pretty f-up if you ask me.]

most WILL tell you that they would NOT do it again.
in reality, most WOULD actually do it again. they tell you otherwise just to be cool and because meds tend to be territorial. their territoriality makes them feel a bit uneasy if you wanna get into medicine. they perhaps feel that they occupy a godly position in society and they dont want to see you share that position with them.

on the other hand, there is a minority of meds who would truly not do it again, and who are truly sick of medicine. i feel bad for those because med is a life long commitment! there's no turnin back!

here is what i think of medicine, as it is practiced in the U.S, the country of economics, litigation and precision:

it is a very challenging, ,interesting, needed, exciting and intellectually stimulating job. but it is f-ed up in this country; it mostly attracts the wrong crowd and it deprives the doc from every semblance of a lifestyle and social life. it, for the most part, occupies a ****y situaiton among all other healthcare jobs (in terms of hours, pay, insurance, politics, paperwork, liability, autonomy) and it is bizarrely oversexed and overglamorized in our media-driven culture (house, ER, gross anatomy...etc). the glamor blinds people from seeing the ugly truth about the practice of medicine in the U.S. a truth that is totally out of tune with reality. still, american men and women continue to be mezmerized by the sight of a doc with a lab coat and a stethoscope.

so here's the conclusion:

in medicine, here is what you DONT get:
1-money (not worth it for the effort you put in, cannot make time to spend it, let alone insurance)
2-lifestyle (think of hours that docs and surgeons work, the after-6-pm phone calls "it is very common for a doc to be summened by the hospital during a party taking place at say 9 pm!!!"

guys, i volunteered at the cardiac cath. lab of NYU years ago and there, i made friends with the fellows, who were nice for the most part. the fellow (they had been fellows forever) would hardly have time for themselves. so after work, one of the nurses threw a party at a club downtown manhattan. all of us went there (volunteers, chief administrator, secretary, docs, fellows, a couple of medstudents, nurses and a couple of cath lab supplies sales persons) it was 9 pm and everybody was dancing; two of them got beeped and called back and then said to us that they were needed in the cath lab. i swear one of them was in tears over the inconvenience and the despicable incursion on his recreation time.

note: 1 and 2 could be mitigated in dermatology, radiology, anaesthesiology and pathology, but keep in mind that those are not real intellectually challenging specialties.

3-piece of mind (by the time you're done with med-school, you become wary, cynical, a bit dissapointed and concerned and by the time you're done with residency, you will look older than your age, you will suffer from chronic sleep deprivatiion and you will have become jaded and you will compensate for all that through arrogance and just rudeness)
satisfation (failed expectations due to lifestyle issues, length of time spent in becoming a surgeon and monotonousness of the work in internal meidicine (it is not rewarding to sit at a desk, performing physical exams and prescribing medication all day)).


and here is what you'll get:
glamor!!! and that's it!!! (mommy and daddy will be proud, friends will look highly to you, when you're in the street or on the subway or bus, people will stare at your coat and stethoscope and you'll feel ok when you say you're a doc on a date (that's if you have time for a date). in other words, being a doc pleases people who surround you but hardly pleases you.

dentistry on the other hand provides you all that medicine denies you (see above). what dentistry does not provide you (although it is changing now as people become more aware of reality), is the glamor.

at the end of the day, i dont give a darn whether or not people dig me, worship me, wanna be me or glamorize me. what i want is to be left alone after 5 or 6 pm, make good money and live a fulfilling life. i wanna live for my own self first, and then for my loved ones. i have one life to live so it would be such a shame if i spent it in the sickening walls of the hospital, being harassed by patients, insurers and administrators on a daily bases. i was born free and thus i shall become my own master. not the slave of the system, the hospital and the insirance companies. never!!!
 
ItsGavinC said:
I'm not done yet, but I'd for sure do it again given the chance. I can't help but think that location/school also plays a part in the perception of satisfcation. So many people on these forums would have a 180 degree turnaround in their opinion of dental schools in general had they attended my school. I'm sure this situation exists at other schools as well.
do you mind asking which school do you go to? and by location do you mean because it is home, or it is where you would like to practice after you graduate? thank you. 😕
 
fightingspirit said:
beautiful 👍

to the OP:

please make your judgement independently and use commen sense and realism. i say this because the post-med forum may not be the best way to know whether or not the meds woul do it all over again. although most SDNers will say that i am one distrustfull son of a gun, but here 's my opinion about meds and post-meds:

[oh by the way, i hope you realize that 99.99999% of pre-meds who claim the "calling" or the "my sister had a great doc when we wewre kids and now i wanna be like him/her" are lying. they use these unimaginative lies in their ps and their inTview and off ocurse the inTviewers know but it just goes on. pretty f-up if you ask me.]

most WILL tell you that they would NOT do it again.
in reality, most WOULD actually do it again. they tell you otherwise just to be cool and because meds tend to be territorial. their territoriality makes them feel a bit uneasy if you wanna get into medicine. they perhaps feel that they occupy a godly position in society and they dont want to see you share that position with them.

on the other hand, there is a minority of meds who would truly not do it again, and who are truly sick of medicine. i feel bad for those because med is a life long commitment! there's no turnin back!

here is what i think of medicine, as it is practiced in the U.S, the country of economics, litigation and precision:

it is a very challenging, ,interesting, needed, exciting and intellectually stimulating job. but it is f-ed up in this country; it mostly attracts the wrong crowd and it deprives the doc from every semblance of a lifestyle and social life. it, for the most part, occupies a ****y situaiton among all other healthcare jobs (in terms of hours, pay, insurance, politics, paperwork, liability, autonomy) and it is bizarrely oversexed and overglamorized in our media-driven culture (house, ER, gross anatomy...etc). the glamor blinds people from seeing the ugly truth about the practice of medicine in the U.S. a truth that is totally out of tune with reality. still, american men and women continue to be mezmerized by the sight of a doc with a lab coat and a stethoscope.

so here's the conclusion:

in medicine, here is what you DONT get:
1-money (not worth it for the effort you put in, cannot make time to spend it, let alone insurance)
2-lifestyle (think of hours that docs and surgeons work, the after-6-pm phone calls "it is very common for a doc to be summened by the hospital during a party taking place at say 9 pm!!!"

guys, i volunteered at the cardiac cath. lab of NYU years ago and there, i made friends with the fellows, who were nice for the most part. the fellow (they had been fellows forever) would hardly have time for themselves. so after work, one of the nurses threw a party at a club downtown manhattan. all of us went there (volunteers, chief administrator, secretary, docs, fellows, a couple of medstudents, nurses and a couple of cath lab supplies sales persons) it was 9 pm and everybody was dancing; two of them got beeped and called back and then said to us that they were needed in the cath lab. i swear one of them was in tears over the inconvenience and the despicable incursion on his recreation time.

note: 1 and 2 could be mitigated in dermatology, radiology, anaesthesiology and pathology, but keep in mind that those are not real intellectually challenging specialties.

3-piece of mind (by the time you're done with med-school, you become wary, cynical, a bit dissapointed and concerned and by the time you're done with residency, you will look older than your age, you will suffer from chronic sleep deprivatiion and you will have become jaded and you will compensate for all that through arrogance and just rudeness)
satisfation (failed expectations due to lifestyle issues, length of time spent in becoming a surgeon and monotonousness of the work in internal meidicine (it is not rewarding to sit at a desk, performing physical exams and prescribing medication all day)).


and here is what you'll get:
glamor!!! and that's it!!! (mommy and daddy will be proud, friends will look highly to you, when you're in the street or on the subway or bus, people will stare at your coat and stethoscope and you'll feel ok when you say you're a doc on a date (that's if you have time for a date). in other words, being a doc pleases people who surround you but hardly pleases you.

dentistry on the other hand provides you all that medicine denies you (see above). what dentistry does not provide you (although it is changing now as people become more aware of reality), is the glamor.

at the end of the day, i dont give a darn whether or not people dig me, worship me, wanna be me or glamorize me. what i want is to be left alone after 5 or 6 pm, make good money and live a fulfilling life. i wanna live for my own self first, and then for my loved ones. i have one life to live so it would be such a shame if i spent it in the sickening walls of the hospital, being harassed by patients, insurers and administrators on a daily bases. i was born free and thus i shall become my own master. not the slave of the system, the hospital and the insirance companies. never!!!
My friend I think you are a bit exaggerating. Both of my parents are MDs and they both love entirely medicine and do not feel slaves who are harassed by the patients and insurers. However, you are correct that dentistry provides more convenient lifestyle; again, many people choose their careers not based on these factors, rather their passion and self-challenge. 😉 😉 😉
 
Drlander76 said:
My friend I think you are a bit exaggerating. Both of my parents are MDs and they both love entirely medicine and do not feel slaves who are harassed by the patients and insurers. However, you are correct that dentistry provides more convenient lifestyle; again, many people choose their careers not based on these factors, rather their passion and self-challenge. 😉 😉 😉


sure little man, but dont forget that your parents belonged, and still belong, to a different generation. ask them to compare medicine and its practrice in their time with your time. also, you are right: many choose according to passions. however, many do not! in fact, most premed nowadays donot have a passion for being a physician. they have a passion for gettin into medschool, but not being a doc...perhaps your parents generation truly had passion. 😉 😉

oh...and your or their "self-challenge" expression may be in many cases just western-style subterfuge for the real expression, which is more like "jealousy towards those who are perceived to have over-achieved"..... :laugh: 😉 😉

can you tell i dont appreciate political correctness? :meanie: :laugh:
 
fightingspirit said:
beautiful 👍

to the OP:

please make your judgement independently and use commen sense and realism. i say this because the post-med forum may not be the best way to know whether or not the meds woul do it all over again. although most SDNers will say that i am one distrustfull son of a gun, but here 's my opinion about meds and post-meds:

[oh by the way, i hope you realize that 99.99999% of pre-meds who claim the "calling" or the "my sister had a great doc when we wewre kids and now i wanna be like him/her" are lying. they use these unimaginative lies in their ps and their inTview and off ocurse the inTviewers know but it just goes on. pretty f-up if you ask me.]

most WILL tell you that they would NOT do it again.
in reality, most WOULD actually do it again. they tell you otherwise just to be cool and because meds tend to be territorial. their territoriality makes them feel a bit uneasy if you wanna get into medicine. they perhaps feel that they occupy a godly position in society and they dont want to see you share that position with them.

on the other hand, there is a minority of meds who would truly not do it again, and who are truly sick of medicine. i feel bad for those because med is a life long commitment! there's no turnin back!

here is what i think of medicine, as it is practiced in the U.S, the country of economics, litigation and precision:

it is a very challenging, ,interesting, needed, exciting and intellectually stimulating job. but it is f-ed up in this country; it mostly attracts the wrong crowd and it deprives the doc from every semblance of a lifestyle and social life. it, for the most part, occupies a ****y situaiton among all other healthcare jobs (in terms of hours, pay, insurance, politics, paperwork, liability, autonomy) and it is bizarrely oversexed and overglamorized in our media-driven culture (house, ER, gross anatomy...etc). the glamor blinds people from seeing the ugly truth about the practice of medicine in the U.S. a truth that is totally out of tune with reality. still, american men and women continue to be mezmerized by the sight of a doc with a lab coat and a stethoscope.

so here's the conclusion:

in medicine, here is what you DONT get:
1-money (not worth it for the effort you put in, cannot make time to spend it, let alone insurance)
2-lifestyle (think of hours that docs and surgeons work, the after-6-pm phone calls "it is very common for a doc to be summened by the hospital during a party taking place at say 9 pm!!!"

guys, i volunteered at the cardiac cath. lab of NYU years ago and there, i made friends with the fellows, who were nice for the most part. the fellow (they had been fellows forever) would hardly have time for themselves. so after work, one of the nurses threw a party at a club downtown manhattan. all of us went there (volunteers, chief administrator, secretary, docs, fellows, a couple of medstudents, nurses and a couple of cath lab supplies sales persons) it was 9 pm and everybody was dancing; two of them got beeped and called back and then said to us that they were needed in the cath lab. i swear one of them was in tears over the inconvenience and the despicable incursion on his recreation time.

note: 1 and 2 could be mitigated in dermatology, radiology, anaesthesiology and pathology, but keep in mind that those are not real intellectually challenging specialties.

3-piece of mind (by the time you're done with med-school, you become wary, cynical, a bit dissapointed and concerned and by the time you're done with residency, you will look older than your age, you will suffer from chronic sleep deprivatiion and you will have become jaded and you will compensate for all that through arrogance and just rudeness)
satisfation (failed expectations due to lifestyle issues, length of time spent in becoming a surgeon and monotonousness of the work in internal meidicine (it is not rewarding to sit at a desk, performing physical exams and prescribing medication all day)).


and here is what you'll get:
glamor!!! and that's it!!! (mommy and daddy will be proud, friends will look highly to you, when you're in the street or on the subway or bus, people will stare at your coat and stethoscope and you'll feel ok when you say you're a doc on a date (that's if you have time for a date). in other words, being a doc pleases people who surround you but hardly pleases you.

dentistry on the other hand provides you all that medicine denies you (see above). what dentistry does not provide you (although it is changing now as people become more aware of reality), is the glamor.

at the end of the day, i dont give a darn whether or not people dig me, worship me, wanna be me or glamorize me. what i want is to be left alone after 5 or 6 pm, make good money and live a fulfilling life. i wanna live for my own self first, and then for my loved ones. i have one life to live so it would be such a shame if i spent it in the sickening walls of the hospital, being harassed by patients, insurers and administrators on a daily bases. i was born free and thus i shall become my own master. not the slave of the system, the hospital and the insirance companies. never!!!


what a interesting post.. thanks for your views..
 
biztomedindc said:
Hi all, I am currently re-considering going back to the medical field. I have been reading the post in the post-med forum about whether or not people would do it over again if they had the choice (http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=195799&page=25&pp=25)

I have seen an incredible amount of negative sentiments and many doctors have indicated that they would not go back if they had to choose again. I was pre-med in college and now work in business consulting, I am thinking about switching back and going to med school, but am really hesitant to take the plunge after readying that post. Many people in that post have indicated that Dentists are a lot happier than Docts, so I thought maybe I should post the same question for people who have finished dental school.

So, if you all had a chance to do dental school over again and choose the same career path, would you?


Without a doubt, yes. Dental school again would not be fun, but I really do love what I do every day.
 
fightingspirit said:
i swear one of them was in tears over the inconvenience and the despicable incursion on his recreation time.
What a p*ss...if you're gonna stand around and cry about something you signed up for, just because you have to leave a party, you don't deserve to be there in the first place. Furthermore, don't enter into a residency thinking being "on call" means "recreation time." Obviously, for your friend, this didn't register.

I've been holding my tongue since that first reply in the other post you started. You've got one hell of a condescending attitude for a guy who hasn't even started dental school yet. You may want to consider withholding a little of that egotism until you've, one, made the grades and the board scores, and two, been accepted to a residency. Something to think about: 90% of people entering dental school expect to specialize. The truth of the matter is that the large majority of those don't have what it takes to make it happen. Good luck to you--keep an eye out for karma--it's a b*tch.

I find it interesting that you post on here like your intelligence and your observations on life are above everyone else. Why is it then, that you're 28 years old and just figuring these things out? You haven't posted a single thing that we don't already know--except that you have whiny resident friends. Most of us got our **** together far earlier. Most of us will be completing our residencies at an age younger than yours at your dental school graduation. Obviously, you're brilliant. Continue to bless us with your words of wisdom, great teacher.
 
OMFSCardsFan said:
Something to think about: 90% of people entering dental school expect to specialize. The truth of the matter is that the large majority of those don't have what it takes to make it happen

Then there are the few from the 10% who didn't plan on specializing who find themselves in a residency. 🙂
 
OMFSCardsFan said:
What a p*ss...if you're gonna stand around and cry about something you signed up for, just because you have to leave a party, you don't deserve to be there in the first place. Furthermore, don't enter into a residency thinking being "on call" means "recreation time." Obviously, for your friend, this didn't register.

I've been holding my tongue since that first reply in the other post you started. You've got one hell of a condescending attitude for a guy who hasn't even started dental school yet. You may want to consider withholding a little of that egotism until you've, one, made the grades and the board scores, and two, been accepted to a residency. Something to think about: 90% of people entering dental school expect to specialize. The truth of the matter is that the large majority of those don't have what it takes to make it happen. Good luck to you--keep an eye out for karma--it's a b*tch.

I find it interesting that you post on here like your intelligence and your observations on life are above everyone else. Why is it then, that you're 28 years old and just figuring these things out? You haven't posted a single thing that we don't already know--except that you have whiny resident friends. Most of us got our **** together far earlier. Most of us will be completing our residencies at an age younger than yours at your dental school graduation. Obviously, you're brilliant. Continue to bless us with your words of wisdom, great teacher.


thanks....

well, in terms of ego, i think you clearly have a huge one. after all, you could not keep holding your tongue. in terms of karma, i m not sure why you're saying that. have i atttacked you or other residents in this forum or elsewhere? i dont undertsand what your problem is. also, i dont think i am the first one to post things that other SDNers already know. sorry for the redundancy. i also had no idea that i m comin across as arrogant "intelligence above everyone else's". i dont think i am arrogant at all.

as far as gettin your **** together and finishing up residency when i am graduating from d-school, well, good for you. some of us are immigrants and have to deal with FBI, INS, language barriers and socio-economic barriers. it is a bitch and also humiliating to be an immigrant. besides, many of us, older applicants, have reasons why our lives ended up this way. good for you that you got in when you were younger. you really don't need to highlight other men's shortcomings (my older age) because karma is a bitch.... 😉 😉

it's all good

good luck on the USMLE...show them meds what dents can do!
 
fightingspirit said:
have i atttacked you or other residents in this forum or elsewhere?

you have: you insulted the value of dermatologists, anaesthesiologists, radiologists, and pathologists [of ALL things...]. funny thing is, i felt the same way as CARDSFAN; i actually wrote out a couple overly lengthy replies to those posts and just found myself deleting them both, muttering to myself "aaaaahh... f-ck it, this kid won't even get it." you have a lot to learn about yourself and medicine; there's a lot that could be said, but for most of us it would be too exhausting to revist that all over again.

in your delusional world of healthcare, the spotlight centers on your friends, the cardiac doctors jump-starting dying hearts. take a step back, soak it all in, and appreciate that you've got a million different people contributing to make it all work. the hierarchy that you allude to speaks more about you than it does "the system." i hope that you're fortunate to be a part of it someday.

[and thanks for clarifying your use of the word "arrogant" in the above post; i found the interpretation to be particularly challenging]
 
Swamp Yankee said:
fightingspirit said:
have i atttacked you or other residents in this forum or elsewhere?

you have: you insulted the value of dermatologists, anaesthesiologists, radiologists, and pathologists [of ALL things...]. funny thing is, i felt the same way as CARDSFAN; i actually wrote out a couple overly lengthy replies to those posts and just found myself deleting them both, muttering to myself "aaaaahh... f-ck it, this kid won't even get it." you have a lot to learn about yourself and medicine; there's a lot that could be said, but for most of us it would be too exhausting to revist that all over again.

in your delusional world of healthcare, the spotlight centers on your friends, the cardiac doctors jump-starting dying hearts. take a step back, soak it all in, and appreciate that you've got a million different people contributing to make it all work. the hierarchy that you allude to speaks more about you than it does "the system." i hope that you're fortunate to be a part of it someday.

[and thanks for clarifying your use of the word "arrogant" in the above post; i found the interpretation to be particularly challenging]

thanks...

anymore posts? thanks in advance!!!
 
fightingspirit said:
Swamp Yankee said:
thanks...

anymore posts? thanks in advance!!!

Wow fighting spirit, I have this interesting instrument that you might need. It is called a "lightening-rod" remover. That way "Thor" (cardsfan) won't keep dinging you with those bolts he's throwing. The little interchange between cards and yourself is what OMFS residency can be full of for those who have the "rod" firmly attached to their heads. Remember, we are and have been where you are going (except for that FBI thing- but please tell us more... sounds interesting).
 
Extraction said:
Then there are the few from the 10% who didn't plan on specializing who find themselves in a residency. 🙂

Very true.
 
Rezdawg said:
Very true.

is that reza?
the reza fr/ p-town?
legend has it you snuck off to boston...
 
fightingspirit said:
beautiful 👍

to the OP:

please make your judgement independently and use commen sense and realism. i say this because the post-med forum may not be the best way to know whether or not the meds woul do it all over again. although most SDNers will say that i am one distrustfull son of a gun, but here 's my opinion about meds and post-meds:

[oh by the way, i hope you realize that 99.99999% of pre-meds who claim the "calling" or the "my sister had a great doc when we wewre kids and now i wanna be like him/her" are lying. they use these unimaginative lies in their ps and their inTview and off ocurse the inTviewers know but it just goes on. pretty f-up if you ask me.]

most WILL tell you that they would NOT do it again.
in reality, most WOULD actually do it again. they tell you otherwise just to be cool and because meds tend to be territorial. their territoriality makes them feel a bit uneasy if you wanna get into medicine. they perhaps feel that they occupy a godly position in society and they dont want to see you share that position with them.

on the other hand, there is a minority of meds who would truly not do it again, and who are truly sick of medicine. i feel bad for those because med is a life long commitment! there's no turnin back!

here is what i think of medicine, as it is practiced in the U.S, the country of economics, litigation and precision:

it is a very challenging, ,interesting, needed, exciting and intellectually stimulating job. but it is f-ed up in this country; it mostly attracts the wrong crowd and it deprives the doc from every semblance of a lifestyle and social life. it, for the most part, occupies a ****y situaiton among all other healthcare jobs (in terms of hours, pay, insurance, politics, paperwork, liability, autonomy) and it is bizarrely oversexed and overglamorized in our media-driven culture (house, ER, gross anatomy...etc). the glamor blinds people from seeing the ugly truth about the practice of medicine in the U.S. a truth that is totally out of tune with reality. still, american men and women continue to be mezmerized by the sight of a doc with a lab coat and a stethoscope.

so here's the conclusion:

in medicine, here is what you DONT get:
1-money (not worth it for the effort you put in, cannot make time to spend it, let alone insurance)
2-lifestyle (think of hours that docs and surgeons work, the after-6-pm phone calls "it is very common for a doc to be summened by the hospital during a party taking place at say 9 pm!!!"

guys, i volunteered at the cardiac cath. lab of NYU years ago and there, i made friends with the fellows, who were nice for the most part. the fellow (they had been fellows forever) would hardly have time for themselves. so after work, one of the nurses threw a party at a club downtown manhattan. all of us went there (volunteers, chief administrator, secretary, docs, fellows, a couple of medstudents, nurses and a couple of cath lab supplies sales persons) it was 9 pm and everybody was dancing; two of them got beeped and called back and then said to us that they were needed in the cath lab. i swear one of them was in tears over the inconvenience and the despicable incursion on his recreation time.

note: 1 and 2 could be mitigated in dermatology, radiology, anaesthesiology and pathology, but keep in mind that those are not real intellectually challenging specialties.

3-piece of mind (by the time you're done with med-school, you become wary, cynical, a bit dissapointed and concerned and by the time you're done with residency, you will look older than your age, you will suffer from chronic sleep deprivatiion and you will have become jaded and you will compensate for all that through arrogance and just rudeness)
satisfation (failed expectations due to lifestyle issues, length of time spent in becoming a surgeon and monotonousness of the work in internal meidicine (it is not rewarding to sit at a desk, performing physical exams and prescribing medication all day)).


and here is what you'll get:
glamor!!! and that's it!!! (mommy and daddy will be proud, friends will look highly to you, when you're in the street or on the subway or bus, people will stare at your coat and stethoscope and you'll feel ok when you say you're a doc on a date (that's if you have time for a date). in other words, being a doc pleases people who surround you but hardly pleases you.

dentistry on the other hand provides you all that medicine denies you (see above). what dentistry does not provide you (although it is changing now as people become more aware of reality), is the glamor.

at the end of the day, i dont give a darn whether or not people dig me, worship me, wanna be me or glamorize me. what i want is to be left alone after 5 or 6 pm, make good money and live a fulfilling life. i wanna live for my own self first, and then for my loved ones. i have one life to live so it would be such a shame if i spent it in the sickening walls of the hospital, being harassed by patients, insurers and administrators on a daily bases. i was born free and thus i shall become my own master. not the slave of the system, the hospital and the insirance companies. never!!!

wow.. long post.. interesting...
 
NO WAY IN HELL!!! ESP NOT AT USC!!! I HATE THIS SCHOOL!!!!




biztomedindc said:
Hi all, I am currently re-considering going back to the medical field. I have been reading the post in the post-med forum about whether or not people would do it over again if they had the choice (http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=195799&page=25&pp=25)

I have seen an incredible amount of negative sentiments and many doctors have indicated that they would not go back if they had to choose again. I was pre-med in college and now work in business consulting, I am thinking about switching back and going to med school, but am really hesitant to take the plunge after readying that post. Many people in that post have indicated that Dentists are a lot happier than Docts, so I thought maybe I should post the same question for people who have finished dental school.

So, if you all had a chance to do dental school over again and choose the same career path, would you?
 
Extraction said:
Then there are the few from the 10% who didn't plan on specializing who find themselves in a residency. 🙂

...and every day they wake up wondering what the hell went wrong!
 
Yes, but I'd take off as many years necessary to avoid going to BU.
 
Teefies said:
...and every day they wake up wondering what the hell went wrong!

I'll definately be thinking that on Monday morning when I start my OB/GYN rotation....
 
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