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Discussion in 'Dental Residents and Practicing Dentists' started by options4me, Dec 8, 2005.
best schools to apply for in terms of patients and detail.
would appreciate any information.
I know there is an Implant Fellowship at St. Louis University. I think you pay tuition and it lasts for a year. You get a certificate at the end. One of my friend was looking at it. He didn't go in the end, because he was looking for an opportunity to pursue Masters degree as well...
Tufts, Boston University and Loma Linda. Tufts and BU are 1-2 years and the first year is more prosthetic, the second is more surgical. You have the option of doing only 1 year and if your progress is sufficient I think you can do the second. Loma Linda is 3 years and more extensive. You probably get a certificate in implantology from all 3 which means that you are a GP...it's not a recognized specialty, so you cannot call yourself a specialist. All of them are very expensive. Only a guess, but $35-40,000 a year ballpark. Add on to this lving expenses. University of Connecticut has a 1 year implant fellowship and it might even pay or it's very cheap. You'll be doing a lot more of the prosthetic side and maybe place a half dozen which isn't a whole lot of experience for something that calls itself an implant fellowship. I don't know how many you place in Boston. I have heard that Loma Linda places tons. Call the programs directly to find out the truth.
Tufts, Boston University and Loma Linda. Tufts and BU are 1-2 years and the first year is more prosthetic, the second is more surgical. You have the option of doing only 1 year and if your progress is sufficient I think you can do the second. Loma Linda is 3 years and more extensive. You probably get a certificate in implantology from all 3 which means that you are a GP...it's not a recognized specialty, so you cannot call yourself a specialist. All of them are very expensive. Only a guess, but $35-40,000 a year ballpark. Add on to this lving expenses. University of Connecticut has a 1 year implant fellowship and it might even pay or it's very cheap. You'll be doing a lot more of the prosthetic side and maybe place a half dozen which isn't a whole lot of experience for something that calls itself an implant fellowship. I don't know how many you place in Boston. I have heard that Loma Linda places tons. Look into San Antonio as well for a prosthetic fellowship. Call the programs directly to find out the truth.
Implants are a part of many advanced programs like pros, perio. also surgical part in OMS... many AEGDs GPRs teach implants ... some from TP-placement- restoration... others like many pvt GPs so....TP- team work to place implant(let the OMS or perio worry about the pain/surgery)-and then they do the restoration..... GPRs you get paid to learn... but many other things required in all programs not just implants
If you're looking for an Implant residency (knowing that it has its positives and negatives) then Loma Linda is the one place you should look at. In my view, if you're doing something like this without getting a specialty then the experience you get is everything and there is no better program than Loma Linda for implants in the country (specialty or not).
Yeah , but by it being the only program in the nation with a certificate program in implants, it's got to be insanely hard to get into . . . right?
I was told by numerous faculty in all discipline that there are no:
Implant Certified Dentists
Master of Implantology
I don't care what program you go to or how long you go there for, these programs are simply a longer version of a CE course in dental implants! All they are, are money making gimmics. You want to learn how to do implants correctly, you don't need one year, definitely not two years to learn it. A week with Pinkys institude will teach you plenty!
To me, all those "implant residencies" are BS and train these dentists that feel that they know something better! Whew, I've got a Master in Implantology? What? Are you serious? All just fancy names after you dumped more thousands of dollars down the drain.
I didn't mean to make it sound like you got a specialty degree to do implants -- I only meant that Loma Linda gives a "certificate" (similary to the professional certificate given when one graduates a GPR program) when you complete their 3 year training program for implants. Sorry!
Please, no need to be sorry....we're just exchanging thought here.
3 YEARS!?!?! Damn. I could think of many more efficient ways to learn implants in that amount of time....why not go ahead and do a Perio residency in the same amount of time but with a broader scope?
I've never understood the fascination with implants. It's an infinately boring procedure.
You're right that there are no ADA-recognized designations like the ones you wrote. But I'm not sure what that has to do with CE courses. They are residencies in Universities that have all the requirements of other residencies and take the same classes with other residents in other programs. They have lit reviews just like other residencies. The difference is where the focus is.
Please don't suggest that implants can be learned in a weekend course. Yes, you can learn how to "place" it but you can do that at a Home Depot session too. It's not tough. Likewise, 3rd molar extraction isn't tough by itself and can be learned pretty quickly but doing it in a medically-compromised AA pt with distally-inclined impactions isn't easy. Prepping a tooth for a crown isn't tough but doing a full-mouth rehab in a high esthetic situation is. It's everything that goes with it that makes it complex.
The field of implant dentistry involves parts perio, prosth, OS and ortho. You really can't imagine how you could need 3 years to get a handle on it? Go ask a Loma Linda Prosth or Perio grad what they think of the Implant residency. I think you'd change your mind very quickly.
please guys i les not turn this into who thinks what about this or that bs residency. i just want some information aboujt the better programs in the country and how to go about applying for them and getting into one.
so lets keep this progressive instead.
i also wanted to know that the implant program at uconn is a separate fellowship or is it integrated into the gpr program. i have emailed the associate dean but am still awaiting a reply.
I just finished my GPR program and work in a private office. I've been thinking about pursuing an implant fellowship, and I came across LLU.
As you are well aware this program is 3 years, and costs around 200K!
I need to know if this particular program is as good as it sounds? and adding this tuition with my dental education which would sum up to 500K, does it worth it? I mean is it really going to change my income so that I'd be able to pay it back?
Please give my any -ve or +ve insights.
I would suggest the followings
Columbia university (2-year)
New York University (2-year)
Loma L (3-year with a master)
you can not discuss if implant worth 2 years or less/more unless you study it, and then you will find that implant courses are just "courses".
What you must learn to do you must learn by doing. There is no substitute for hands-on experience. I don't care what piece of paper you have on your wall, 100 hours of lecture is not as good as 30hours of hands-on courses.
You need to get both but most of the basics are now taught in dental school.
I recommend www.implantologycourses.com (the Trinon Collegium Practicum implant marathon:90 implants in one week) in addition to www.implantseminars.com. That will give you about 160 hours of implant didactic and hands-on experience. It can be done in about 4 months and will cost about 25-30k. You will have a surgical kit and 15 implants to make your money back right away. Two different companies, exceptional education and experience.