Incredible job shadowing. First in MANY years!!

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I posted this in nontrads, but since you guys helped me with my attire: please excuse the excited typos


Ok! So I had my first job shadow with our former medical director of our hospitals sports medicine/athletic training program. He graduated finishe his residency in *gasp 1963 (DO family med with a sports med fellowship).

I called last week and was told to just show up after 8. I got there about 8:30 because I had to drop my kid off to school and right away I was going into EVERY room with patients. The patients were INCREDIBLE and so nice! I got to chat up two drug reps (who explained things in a "somewhat" medical way so I could click on) and free food

Since I was a former underling, I think he thought i was just there to kind of see what he does. During lunch I was talking to him about the fears I had with premed/MCAT. He looks at me and says, "wait what? premed? seriously??? I must have misunderstood, well lets get cracking young lady!!!" After lunch he let me get so much more involved it was AMAZING. If there were an orthopedic case he would let me chim in with ideas and treatment. I saw an AC sprain that was still causing the guy pain after a few months. I checked his posture and immediately noticed he was kyphotic. I asked if he weight lifted and he said yes. From there is was cake walk. He was overdeveloping his pecs and upper traps and under working the small intrinsic back mucles. I also got to assit in a midshaft clavicular fx, posterior impingment, and rotator cuff strain. I also got to see him do one OMM on a neck/shoulder patient (the one I suggested to doc may have some posterior impingment stuff.

We literally spend 2 HOURS talking about sudden cardiac death in athletes. And he went on by saying "all these athletes are being dx with cardia hypertrophy post mortem, thats not what killed most of them, most of the time it was mitigating factor or "Cardiac Cascade" he went on to explain hyperthermia leading to dehydration leding to hypervolemia hypernutremia, etc etc. OMG I was ENTRANCE and he didnt just spew off, he was explaining, teaching and INVOLVING me. Always asking me questions such as "what is just one simple thing we could have done to prevent this particular athlete from dying?" and "we need to also look at the circumstances SURROUNDING the death, not just the death itself".

This is where I want to be. I can no longer even imagine myself doing anything else. He wants me to come back at least once a week or every two weeks on his busiest days. He wants me to continue to assist in follow ups in the patients that we both saw today. He also said, without my even asking or prompting, that he WILL write a LOR, no questions ask

Granted, I've "know" doc for the past 10 years, but we've never really worked that closely, I just know that he was always talking highly to me to my supervisor. He's behind me 100% and even setting me up with other job shadowing opportunities!

Sorry I'm so frigging excited, I think more than my preschooler on Christmas morning!!

BTW: I work khakis, a dark grey short sleve long sweater, black "clogs"

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Haha I'm so happy for you! It's amazing how much influence a great shadowing experience can have on you. I had a VERY similar experience with the doctor I shadowed... so I'm happy to see that someone else can share in the joys of shadowing an amazing doctor and develop a new mentor/friend in the process. :)
 
Sounds like you found an amazing doctor to develop a friendship with. Some of the doctors I shadowed were very similar in their enthusiasm and encouragment.
Definitely keep shadowing, and also begin shadowing more broadly so you can get more excited about the profession.

I actually ended up shadowing a few podiatry residents by mistake, but it turned out to be my most memorable shadow. Got to stand in on two surgeries and interact with the patients before they went under. Also hopped back to the clinic after a free lunch and saw some messy leg issues.

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Nothing quite like it is there?

I lucked into this awesome free clinic that had a ton of specialists that were there to volunteer. I got to know the medical director pretty well, and did a lot of her pet projects (being an advanced EMT, she entrusted me to run a H1N1 vaccine clinic in the fall of 2009, which was a huge thing for me (we gave out 4,000 shots in all). Then when that was done, I stayed on and trained the volunteer doctors in the electronic medical record that the clinic had recently implemented.

She'd always introduce me, and follow it up with "SLC's going to medical school next year so show him what it's all about". Before long I was doing basic joint injections (under the close watch of the physician of course), doing solo neurological exams for the neurologist and bouncing my ideas off of him. Working very closely with the dermatologist, cardiologist (even got to start all her lines for IV drugs). I even began the treatment on a patient that showed up with an angina attack that began while he was walking from the bus stop for his appointment; checked for contraindications and gave nitro, and got him on O2 and an IV drip while the cardiologist was still a few mins out from arriving. That patient ended up being admited to the hospital but it was cool to get things going and see how the doctor jumped into action once on scene.

All told I worked with doctors in Internal Med, Derm, Podiatry (like the poster above this, Podiatry was surprisingly cool), Cardiology, Nephrology, Orthopedic Surgery, Vascular Surgery, ENT, Infectious Disease, Rheumatology, Pulmonology, Neurology, Family Medicine, OB-Gyn, Pediatrics, and Opthalmology. Between then and when I applied I logged more than 300 hours with the docs. Really helped solidify my drive to become a doctor, and really helped me show that I knew what I was getting into when interviews came around. I also got letters from many of those doctors which was great!

Congrats, hopefully your experience continues to be a great one; take advantage of it!

SLC
 
Nothing quite like it is there?

I lucked into this awesome free clinic that had a ton of specialists that were there to volunteer. I got to know the medical director pretty well, and did a lot of her pet projects (being an advanced EMT, she entrusted me to run a H1N1 vaccine clinic in the fall of 2009, which was a huge thing for me (we gave out 4,000 shots in all). Then when that was done, I stayed on and trained the volunteer doctors in the electronic medical record that the clinic had recently implemented.

She'd always introduce me, and follow it up with "SLC's going to medical school next year so show him what it's all about". Before long I was doing basic joint injections (under the close watch of the physician of course), doing solo neurological exams for the neurologist and bouncing my ideas off of him. Working very closely with the dermatologist, cardiologist (even got to start all her lines for IV drugs). I even began the treatment on a patient that showed up with an angina attack that began while he was walking from the bus stop for his appointment; checked for contraindications and gave nitro, and got him on O2 and an IV drip while the cardiologist was still a few mins out from arriving. That patient ended up being admited to the hospital but it was cool to get things going and see how the doctor jumped into action once on scene.

All told I worked with doctors in Internal Med, Derm, Podiatry (like the poster above this, Podiatry was surprisingly cool), Cardiology, Nephrology, Orthopedic Surgery, Vascular Surgery, ENT, Infectious Disease, Rheumatology, Pulmonology, Neurology, Family Medicine, OB-Gyn, Pediatrics, and Opthalmology. Between then and when I applied I logged more than 300 hours with the docs. Really helped solidify my drive to become a doctor, and really helped me show that I knew what I was getting into when interviews came around. I also got letters from many of those doctors which was great!

Congrats, hopefully your experience continues to be a great one; take advantage of it!

SLC

Holy Moly!! Since I already am employed at one of the three local medical centers, I have a "little"bit of an in, more with ortho and FM. But I've put some calls in and the county coroner (I KNOW RIGHT??) will call me back next week to set something up. Next tuesday, I'm going to shadow and ortho, the follow tuesday back to the FM DO, after that, I need to call around and see. I want to get into EM.
 
You are such a pre-med I can't even get over it.

With that being said, congrats on having a good experience. And just so you know, 99% of Docs are not going to be like this one so don't expect that. Most of them would laugh at you if you tried to dx their pts...
 
I posted this in nontrads, but since you guys helped me with my attire: please excuse the excited typos


Ok! So I had my first job shadow with our former medical director of our hospitals sports medicine/athletic training program. He graduated finishe his residency in *gasp 1963 (DO family med with a sports med fellowship).

I called last week and was told to just show up after 8. I got there about 8:30 because I had to drop my kid off to school and right away I was going into EVERY room with patients. The patients were INCREDIBLE and so nice! I got to chat up two drug reps (who explained things in a "somewhat" medical way so I could click on) and free food

Since I was a former underling, I think he thought i was just there to kind of see what he does. During lunch I was talking to him about the fears I had with premed/MCAT. He looks at me and says, "wait what? premed? seriously??? I must have misunderstood, well lets get cracking young lady!!!" After lunch he let me get so much more involved it was AMAZING. If there were an orthopedic case he would let me chim in with ideas and treatment. I saw an AC sprain that was still causing the guy pain after a few months. I checked his posture and immediately noticed he was kyphotic. I asked if he weight lifted and he said yes. From there is was cake walk. He was overdeveloping his pecs and upper traps and under working the small intrinsic back mucles. I also got to assit in a midshaft clavicular fx, posterior impingment, and rotator cuff strain. I also got to see him do one OMM on a neck/shoulder patient (the one I suggested to doc may have some posterior impingment stuff.

We literally spend 2 HOURS talking about sudden cardiac death in athletes. And he went on by saying "all these athletes are being dx with cardia hypertrophy post mortem, thats not what killed most of them, most of the time it was mitigating factor or "Cardiac Cascade" he went on to explain hyperthermia leading to dehydration leding to hypervolemia hypernutremia, etc etc. OMG I was ENTRANCE and he didnt just spew off, he was explaining, teaching and INVOLVING me. Always asking me questions such as "what is just one simple thing we could have done to prevent this particular athlete from dying?" and "we need to also look at the circumstances SURROUNDING the death, not just the death itself".

This is where I want to be. I can no longer even imagine myself doing anything else. He wants me to come back at least once a week or every two weeks on his busiest days. He wants me to continue to assist in follow ups in the patients that we both saw today. He also said, without my even asking or prompting, that he WILL write a LOR, no questions ask

Granted, I've "know" doc for the past 10 years, but we've never really worked that closely, I just know that he was always talking highly to me to my supervisor. He's behind me 100% and even setting me up with other job shadowing opportunities!

Sorry I'm so frigging excited, I think more than my preschooler on Christmas morning!!

BTW: I work khakis, a dark grey short sleve long sweater, black "clogs"

Good to see another athletic trainer, like myself, bringing our experience/knowledge to the D.O. world... This experience makes me more eager to get started this fall!

-fellow ATC
 
That's pretty sweet!

Just wondering-- did you give thank you gift or card to the doc you shadowed afterwards?
 
You are such a pre-med I can't even get over it.

With that being said, congrats on having a good experience. And just so you know, 99% of Docs are not going to be like this one so don't expect that. Most of them would laugh at you if you tried to dx their pts...

Not to sound cocky, but I'd put my hands on assessment skills of most sports related orthopedic conditions (and concussion, return to play, rehab) up again most of the PCPs and peds in my area no issues. I know I've got much much more to learn, but I've been assessing these for the better part of 10 years as a certified athletic trainer. Now, reminder I do not "dx", I assess and give an impression which helps PCPs, I am an advocate for my athletes. Thats why doc had no problem letting me see the ortho cases, its what I literally do every day. I know that most docs won't be so open, but I also know when and where. For example, when I shadow the ortho group I work with, I know which docs and I approach and which docs I just sit in the corner. But yes, I will agree, I am such a pre-med in many many other ways ;)

Good to see another athletic trainer, like myself, bringing our experience/knowledge to the D.O. world... This experience makes me more eager to get started this fall!

-fellow ATC
Well hello there ATC :) It is nice to see another career changer! I've "meet" only one other so far!
That's pretty sweet!

Just wondering-- did you give thank you gift or card to the doc you shadowed afterwards?
No, I havent done a thank you card, primarily because we set a schedule for me to shadow every other week ;) But that is a good idea, especially for those docs that I will only be seeing once.
 
well I have a friend of mine who also has a masters in athletic training or the like and he does know a good bit. However, I just have to make sure you pre-meds are in line. And remember, the second you start med school, you are no longer an athletic trainer with 15 yrs of experience etc. You are an MS1 w/ zero experience. Just the way it goes...
 
That's pretty sweet!

Just wondering-- did you give thank you gift or card to the doc you shadowed afterwards?

I gave my doc a tiny gift bag afterwards. I saw him have a dark chocolate candy bar when we had lunch, and he always brought starbucks in the morning... so I got him a starbucks gift card and 2 bags of dark chocolate. I even wrote him a little letter of appreciation in the bag, since he had such a big influence on me as a mentor and teacher.

I wouldn't go this far for the average physician though... a thank-you card would be enough if it's just a 1-2 day thing.
 
well I have a friend of mine who also has a masters in athletic training or the like and he does know a good bit. However, I just have to make sure you pre-meds are in line. And remember, the second you start med school, you are no longer an athletic trainer with 15 yrs of experience etc. You are an MS1 w/ zero experience. Just the way it goes...

trust me I know. I know how to humble myself, but I also know when to step up. Comes from years of beat downs and build ups. I'm used to fighting for my profession and my knowledge so no biggie :)
 
This is a wonderful experience and you should certainly accept his hospitality and willingness to take you under his wing. You will be forever grateful to that mentor - I certainly am with the mentor who took me in.

To the ones who are trying to "keep you in line" (really just trying to rain on your parade!) so to speak, bah humbug.
 
I posted this in nontrads, but since you guys helped me with my attire: please excuse the excited typos


Ok! So I had my first job shadow with our former medical director of our hospitals sports medicine/athletic training program. He graduated finishe his residency in *gasp 1963 (DO family med with a sports med fellowship).

I called last week and was told to just show up after 8. I got there about 8:30 because I had to drop my kid off to school and right away I was going into EVERY room with patients. The patients were INCREDIBLE and so nice! I got to chat up two drug reps (who explained things in a "somewhat" medical way so I could click on) and free food

Since I was a former underling, I think he thought i was just there to kind of see what he does. During lunch I was talking to him about the fears I had with premed/MCAT. He looks at me and says, "wait what? premed? seriously??? I must have misunderstood, well lets get cracking young lady!!!" After lunch he let me get so much more involved it was AMAZING. If there were an orthopedic case he would let me chim in with ideas and treatment. I saw an AC sprain that was still causing the guy pain after a few months. I checked his posture and immediately noticed he was kyphotic. I asked if he weight lifted and he said yes. From there is was cake walk. He was overdeveloping his pecs and upper traps and under working the small intrinsic back mucles. I also got to assit in a midshaft clavicular fx, posterior impingment, and rotator cuff strain. I also got to see him do one OMM on a neck/shoulder patient (the one I suggested to doc may have some posterior impingment stuff.

We literally spend 2 HOURS talking about sudden cardiac death in athletes. And he went on by saying "all these athletes are being dx with cardia hypertrophy post mortem, thats not what killed most of them, most of the time it was mitigating factor or "Cardiac Cascade" he went on to explain hyperthermia leading to dehydration leding to hypervolemia hypernutremia, etc etc. OMG I was ENTRANCE and he didnt just spew off, he was explaining, teaching and INVOLVING me. Always asking me questions such as "what is just one simple thing we could have done to prevent this particular athlete from dying?" and "we need to also look at the circumstances SURROUNDING the death, not just the death itself".

This is where I want to be. I can no longer even imagine myself doing anything else. He wants me to come back at least once a week or every two weeks on his busiest days. He wants me to continue to assist in follow ups in the patients that we both saw today. He also said, without my even asking or prompting, that he WILL write a LOR, no questions ask

Granted, I've "know" doc for the past 10 years, but we've never really worked that closely, I just know that he was always talking highly to me to my supervisor. He's behind me 100% and even setting me up with other job shadowing opportunities!

Sorry I'm so frigging excited, I think more than my preschooler on Christmas morning!!

BTW: I work khakis, a dark grey short sleve long sweater, black "clogs"

I want two minutes of my life back
 
You are such a pre-med I can't even get over it.

With that being said, congrats on having a good experience. And just so you know, 99% of Docs are not going to be like this one so don't expect that. Most of them would laugh at you if you tried to dx their pts...

I want two minutes of my life back

Wow, we have some serious debbie freakin downers around here huh? :)

Every doc may not be like that one, but the few I shadowed were....and there's reason to be excited when you have good experiences like this. Now the OP knows how nice that is and will hopefully practice the same enthusiasm with students in the future and pay it forward. Lord knows many of us have had our struggles finding a DO to shadow, so finding one that's happy to involve you is a blessing and a half.
 
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