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Haven't heard much about this program. Seemed to be good... Anyone know what the word is about IU Gen Surg program?
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i didn't interview there, so keep that in mind. it didn't fit with me geographically.Zummy said:
but i have heard amazing things about the chairman. he seems to be a rising star. and everything i've heard about the place is good - nice vibe, good training, nice residents. but i admit, it is just that, word of mouth.
best of luck with things.
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My husband interviewed there. I can't speak for alot of the reputation or technical side of things, but here's what I remember from his "rundown" after the interview and my personal experience driving through the city for a few hrs in January!
He liked the hospitals. Everything is nearby (the hospitals you rotate at) and it seemed like they were modern and easy to get around, but lacking in the support staff.
The residents he spoke to were really great too- he felt they were genuine and happy to be where they were. He did get the impression they worked alot (but what gen surg residents don't?) and they seemed to complain about "scut" a bit more than other programs. He felt like the residents were mostly friendly to each other and talked about outside the hospital activities together.
We both really liked Indianapolis. (I had only heard bad things about that city before visiting). I could definitely picture us living there...very family friendly and good cost of living. They gave a tour of the city and neighborhoods during the interview (I wasn't there for that- we made a trip there on the way to another interview so I could see Indy). The GME website also has a nice info section on area housing with listings.
The other point that stuck out to him was operating experience. He really liked the variety of patients and cases at this program. It's the only one in Indiana I think so they see variety. Some of the residents told him alot of the cases go to fellows though.
It's near the top of his rank list.
He liked the hospitals. Everything is nearby (the hospitals you rotate at) and it seemed like they were modern and easy to get around, but lacking in the support staff.
The residents he spoke to were really great too- he felt they were genuine and happy to be where they were. He did get the impression they worked alot (but what gen surg residents don't?) and they seemed to complain about "scut" a bit more than other programs. He felt like the residents were mostly friendly to each other and talked about outside the hospital activities together.
We both really liked Indianapolis. (I had only heard bad things about that city before visiting). I could definitely picture us living there...very family friendly and good cost of living. They gave a tour of the city and neighborhoods during the interview (I wasn't there for that- we made a trip there on the way to another interview so I could see Indy). The GME website also has a nice info section on area housing with listings.
The other point that stuck out to him was operating experience. He really liked the variety of patients and cases at this program. It's the only one in Indiana I think so they see variety. Some of the residents told him alot of the cases go to fellows though.
It's near the top of his rank list.
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I really liked this program, too. And we have a few residents who went to med school there who only have good things to say. It's reputation has really been skyrocketing with their new PD.
Question, though. My only hang-up (why it isn't in my top 3 for now), is Indianapolis. It seemed very cookie-cutter. I mean, it's a pretty city with pro-sports, convenient, affordable, etc. But did anyone notice that it has *no* flavor?
And it's remarkably homogenous, from what I noticed. I guess I'm just used to a diverse city where I'm learning things about other cultures every day...
Anybody more familiar with Indy have any insight? Thanks-
sd
Question, though. My only hang-up (why it isn't in my top 3 for now), is Indianapolis. It seemed very cookie-cutter. I mean, it's a pretty city with pro-sports, convenient, affordable, etc. But did anyone notice that it has *no* flavor?
And it's remarkably homogenous, from what I noticed. I guess I'm just used to a diverse city where I'm learning things about other cultures every day...
Anybody more familiar with Indy have any insight? Thanks-
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Thought I've never lived there, I have alot of experience with Indy and you are absolutely correct. It is one of the reasons why I'd hesitate to want to move there. I too am used to diversity and culture and it just doesn't seem like there's alot along those lines. For example, you go to a Thai restaurant and there are no Asians in sight and you're served by white people... just sorta takes away from the authenticity of it all.
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See now that's royal. In an attempt to be enlightened, you basically defined diversity as having asians serve you your Thai food. Good Job 👍
Seriously though, I am from Indy and went to medical school there. I am biased towards the city as I grew up there. However I am better able to evaluate the program. When I started med school the chair of surgery was reportedly quite malignant and the program was as well. Plus there was a year of required research.
At the end of my third year we got Keith Lillemoe to come from Hopkins. He is a tremendous guy. He took a lot of interest in improving the program. The whole tone of the place was better with him there. He still believes in research, but doesn't dictate that you must cycle out of the program to do it. (although you may have 1 or 2 years if desired). Although, I had already set my sights on community programs, Dr. Lillemoe's changes almost persuaded me to change my mind. (There are days that I wish I had).
The biggest downside of the program is the large number of fellows who seem to exist merely to swipe cases. The upside in addition to the chairman, is the benefit of the five very different hospitals that you rotate through; University hospital, Wishard (the county hospital), Riley (peds), The VA, and Methodist (community). I only wish they used methodist more. Those surgeons operate like hummingbirds.
If anyone has any additional questions feel free to contact me and I'll answer honestly.
All for now. Go back to your Pad Thai.
I am the Great Saphenous!!!! 😎
Seriously though, I am from Indy and went to medical school there. I am biased towards the city as I grew up there. However I am better able to evaluate the program. When I started med school the chair of surgery was reportedly quite malignant and the program was as well. Plus there was a year of required research.
At the end of my third year we got Keith Lillemoe to come from Hopkins. He is a tremendous guy. He took a lot of interest in improving the program. The whole tone of the place was better with him there. He still believes in research, but doesn't dictate that you must cycle out of the program to do it. (although you may have 1 or 2 years if desired). Although, I had already set my sights on community programs, Dr. Lillemoe's changes almost persuaded me to change my mind. (There are days that I wish I had).
The biggest downside of the program is the large number of fellows who seem to exist merely to swipe cases. The upside in addition to the chairman, is the benefit of the five very different hospitals that you rotate through; University hospital, Wishard (the county hospital), Riley (peds), The VA, and Methodist (community). I only wish they used methodist more. Those surgeons operate like hummingbirds.
If anyone has any additional questions feel free to contact me and I'll answer honestly.
All for now. Go back to your Pad Thai.
I am the Great Saphenous!!!! 😎
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Thanks for the replies guys. It makes more sense to me now why I had the mixed impression (I interviewed there quite a while ago). I remember the residents seemed pretty happy, said they worked hard, but denied many malignant personalities (admitted to one or two). I was wondering why I had this 'belief' that it had a reputation of being more on the malignant side... but i think it might have been it's past reputation.
I don't remember if residents really did get 1-2 weekends off. Does anyone know if this is so? I remember them saying they work pretty late everyday though.
I'm more interested in community programs as well. So, what's the consensus on their surgical ability upon finishing? Excellent, competent or weak?
Thanks again for the info!
I don't remember if residents really did get 1-2 weekends off. Does anyone know if this is so? I remember them saying they work pretty late everyday though.
I'm more interested in community programs as well. So, what's the consensus on their surgical ability upon finishing? Excellent, competent or weak?
Thanks again for the info!
