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I've heard that adcomms don't like people that want to be a pathologist. Is this true? Why or why not? Discuss
I am not dead set on being one. It is one of many fields that I don't mind doing. However, someone told me that only doctors with no people skill choose this field, and I don't know what adcomm would think. Should I not even mention about it during interview, etc ?
I've heard that adcomms don't like people that want to be a pathologist. Is this true? Why or why not? Discuss
I am not dead set on being one. It is one of many fields that I don't mind doing. However, someone told me that only doctors with no people skill choose this field, and I don't know what adcomm would think. Should I not even mention about it during interview, etc ?
I am not dead set on being one. It is one of many fields that I don't mind doing. However, someone told me that only doctors with no people skill choose this field, and I don't know what adcomm would think. Should I not even mention about it during interview, etc ?
This is very true. I haven't had a conversation with a real person since I finished med school. God help me if I ever encounter a woman.
I've heard that adcomms don't like people that want to be a pathologist. Is this true? Why or why not? Discuss
dude you all are missing the point: the goal is to find out what your interviewer's specialty is before hand, and then profess your burning desire to enter that line of work. flawless victory!
I've heard that adcomms don't like people that want to be a pathologist. Is this true? Why or why not? Discuss
This is very true. I haven't had a conversation with a real person since I finished med school. God help me if I ever encounter a woman.
Who was it that told you this? A premed?
Yaah!!!! How have you been?
I'm thinking of applying to medical school, but I have to go to a top 10 school otherwise I won't get my first choice of residency. I have read many times of the key to success in life (or in the underpants mafia):
Step 1: Go to a top 10 med school.
Step 2: ...
Step 3: Profit.
You run the risk of encountering bias no matter what specialty you're interested in. Pathology = asocial is about as inherently meaningful as surgeon = dingus, OB/GYN = mean bitch, and internist = chess team mouth breather. The key isn't to try and choose a specialty which you hope the adcom will find appealing, but to have some legitimate basis for your interest. Possessing some honest understanding of pathology, and then conveying why it intrigues you, will probably get you much further than repeating some tired cliche you don't really believe.
Just, for the love of God, don't bring up CSI or Quincy (or any other medically based TV show - especially Grey's F**king Anatomy).
Sure, all the fields have personalities, but from what I've heard, the biases aren't going to be as evident against the OB/IM/Surgeon types. Unless you have a really strong reason why you like a certain field (such as the year you worked in a path lab as an undergrad), you may want to consider what image you are portraying.
Law2Doc said:Like it or not many people do choose Path not because they are excited about path but because they are not excited about dealing with patients.
Law2Doc said:So that is the image you will have to overcome if your interviewer is a non-path clinician who feels, as most do, that the whole point of being a physician is to work with patients, up close and personal.
Law2Doc said:Surgery faces fewer obstacles, as the initial career decision all med students must make is going to be surgery versus non-surgery (followed thereafter by adults vs children), so you are pretty much expected to have entertained this. However I know of a surgeon who interviews who has stated he dislikes any premeds who profess an interest in surgery and says he would never want one on his team, as he's convinced that until you have done rotations and seen it up close, you are making the decision based on TV. IM is the largest specialty at most places so most schools consider it their bread and butter and few biases will predominate. And lots of schools these days are actually pushing OB because a relatively small number of students are choosing this troubled specialty these days, so if you seem sincere, some folks will deem this a plus, even if they truly do consider you a "mean bitch".
Just, for the love of God, don't bring up CSI or Quincy (or any other medically based TV show - especially Grey's F**king Anatomy).
What about Dr. G, Medical Examiner?
I am not dead set on being one. It is one of many fields that I don't mind doing. However, someone told me that only doctors with no people skill choose this field, and I don't know what adcomm would think. Should I not even mention about it during interview, etc ?
Which is precisely why I stated this:
"Possessing some honest understanding of pathology, and then conveying why it intrigues you, ..."
Like it or not many people do choose Path not because they are excited about path but because they are not excited about dealing with patients.
OP, there are at least 2 of us on here who had direct experience mentioning Path in several interviews with successful results. be wary of those who make claims based on stereotypes
And when they ask you about what you like so much about their field and your answer doesn't make sense. Flawless failure.
Or
When they get to the admissions committee, and one guy says 'I really like this guy's drive to be a surgeon', and the other doc says 'no you have the wrong file, he wants to be a child psychologist'. 'He told me he wanted to study zebra-fish gene hybridization in mice,' says BSR PhD. Flawless rejection.
But what do I know about talking to people I'm a pathologist.
what's wrong with a dual degree double specialty?
Dermpath
Yes, but you are assuming that this thread is a representative sampling. It may be you 2 out of thousands. Although I did say in my post that there was a right way to mention it (as confirmed by Gut Shot above) and a wrong way. It's all about how you spin it.
People who choose a field primarily for factors unrelated to the field (like lifestyle or perceived benefits) rarely are successful or enjoy it.
I am in residency and have met hundreds of pathologists, and have not met one who said they they went into it because they don't like patients or patient contact (or said that was a major reason). People who do this bail out quickly because it is hard work and they are not suited for it. People who choose a field primarily for factors unrelated to the field (like lifestyle or perceived benefits) rarely are successful or enjoy it.
The best proof of this fact is the movement my class (and I'd bet most classes) had away from medicine and surgery, and towards radiology, anesthesiology, and pathology, following the MS3 year. Was it sudden love for the fields that caused so many (7, by my count, out of 70) to pursue those fields? Not likely, since we had no electives as MS3s. Rather, it is the discovery that a lot of things about Medicine and Surgery suck, and a desire to do something different.
But I think it is either naive or disingenuous to suggest that this never occurs,
Tired said:The best proof of this fact is the movement my class (and I'd bet most classes) had away from medicine and surgery, and towards radiology, anesthesiology, and pathology, following the MS3 year.
Tired said:Was it sudden love for the fields that caused so many (7, by my count, out of 70)
Oh but here is the shocker. It turns out you actually do have to care about patients, because that why you have to get the Dx right, that is why you have to sample the lymph nodes...
Who said it never occurs?
Who said it never occurs?
All you've proved is that after 12 months of ball crushing core rotations, med students yearn for what they perceive to be lucrative, mobile, straight forward specialties with minimal BS. Doesn't mean they'll end up liking them.
By my calculations, radiology, anesthesiology and pathology comprised 11.7% of the total spots offered by the NRMP in 2007 (2,849/24,685).
Oh my god 7 people going in to three fields...
How many going into pathology? 1 maybe 2? wow that really seem a lot less of a clear argument.
Of course the 2 people who are going into pathology have no knowledge of pathology. It is not part of the basic science years, related to gross anatomy, present in histology....
Of course there are people who go into or try to go into pathology because they hate all other options. They dislike patient and clinical medicine.
Oh but here is the shocker. It turns out you actually do have to care about patients, because that why you have to get the Dx right, that is why you have to sample the lymph nodes...
And whats more, you have to do this with almost no expectation of thanks.
No patients saying oh thank you doctor. No families thanking you.
As a Pathologist I know likes to joke, "Pathology is the least co-depend field of medicine."
All you really need is a reason to not do the non-lifestyle specialties. And yes, you can be very successful in those fields regardless of your underlying motivation.
"Thank you for cutting open my dead relative."
"Thank you for proving I have cancer."
"Thank you for proving my relative's death was a suicide."
You're right, it just has no ring to it.
Personally pathology interests me a lot more than primary care (but then again so does the idea of having a rabid pitbull gnawing on my scrotum; although I am seriously considering path as a choice) but I sure as hell would not be so stupid as to say that during interviews. If asked I will sing the praises of primary care in a rural community such as where I grew up....which is not a baldfaced lie. I did grow up in an extremely small town (it's not on most maps) and I respect the hell out of primary care docs because I couldn't do it.....I've heard that adcomms don't like people that want to be a pathologist. Is this true? Why or why not? Discuss
Your compatriot yaah, who said, "People who choose a field primarily for factors unrelated to the field (like lifestyle or perceived benefits) rarely are successful or enjoy it."
Tired said:And apparently, by yaah's reasoning, they will be unsuccessful.
Which of course is bull-honkey.
Tired said:Yes, I'm very impressed at the ability of people here to do simple math. However, you're missing my point. The argument advanced here was that, in order to do well in a specialty, you need to have some sort of strong desire or passion for the work.
I've heard that adcomms don't like people that want to be a pathologist. Is this true? Why or why not? Discuss
yaah said "rarely," you said "never." Sorry, but those are very different prospects, although I appreciate your subtle attempt to discredit him by mischaracterizing his claim. In any case, I happen to agree with yaah. To truly enjoy one's specialty and be successful (and by that I mean above and beyond surviving residency and staving off suicide for 20 or 30 years) one really does need to have some inherent interest in the subject. It doesn't have to be a burning passion, but it has to be something substantial. Lifestyle, no matter how good it is, will have a very hard time overcoming what you spend half your waking hours doing.
You seem to be operating with a different definition of "successful" than the four pathology residents in this thread.
Funny, your point was that a seemingly disproportionate number of your classmates were being drawn to lifesyle specialties. Faced with the simple math that disagrees, you're now just attempting subterfuge. Interesting how that goes.
Ah yes, rarely vs never, obviously I have grossly mischaracterized his argument, since those are clearly two opposite concepts. Seriously, get real.
Tired said:It would seem so. I'm talking about surviving residency, lasting 20-30 years in the field with at least a mild-to-moderate degree of satisfaction with their life. I don't what anyone elses definition is, but pardon me if I think I'm being reasonable.
Tired said:Not really. My point (again) was that when 10% of my class drops out of one prospective specialty, and instead chooses fields they have never done clinical rotations in,