You have no idea what you are talking about. You do not know anything about economics or government. You think healthcare is expensive because of all the expensive procedures... good one. Why are drugs expensive? In your line of thought it's obviously because drug co. ceos just want to make more and more millions for their greedy selves. It has nothing to do with the piles and piles of regulations, the demands they provide certain ones for free, the fact that medicare/medicaid will not pay more than a certain percentage of the actual cost, etc.
It's ok apple and google want to make money but not insurance co. Apple makes a phone and computer and make half of what you pay in pure profit. That's not greedy? Google has a search engine... worth billions and billions. Facebook is a website... billions of worth. Why can't those ceos give their money to poor people instead of holding it in offshore accounts dodging taxes? Now health insurance making 2% profit... NO NO NO way too much. They shouldn't make money. It's people's health! have a heart! It should all be free! Tell me, since everyone here is so sure that an iphone provides such great value to poor people why is that not free? Why don't we give everyone a TV so they can get their news since it's obviously what they do with a TV.
Oh and what about car insurance co. Why do they have to make so much money. No one asks their car insurance co to pay for their oil changes or tire rotations. Yet you demand a health insurance co to pay for every baby aspirin you should take. I bet you don't even understand the point of insurance. Hint: it is not there to pay for your every need in healthcare. Insurance is meant to protect you financially if something bad happens like a car accident and your medical bills skyrocket.
Do you even know how insurance works? It's a rhetorical question because I already know you don't. I'm not going to explain further. Look it up.
Oh the public option is so great? Who's going to pay for that? Ah yes the government will just stop all the wars, get rid of the military, and pay for everyone's healthcare. Good plan. Except I bet you don't even know how the government gets it's money... well taxpayers. And who pays taxes?? Ah yes the top 1% pay 40% of all income tax. The bottom 50% pay no taxes. None. So then the rich can pay for the poor's healthcare! Let's just take all their money! They don't need it anyway. Tell me, who creates jobs for poor people? I assure you it isn't a poor person... Now why would a "rich" person take their money to fund an expansion of their business, or invest in a start-up company, etc if all their money is being taken from them (right now the US takes 50% of their income in taxes... but that's not enough is it)?
Please, startoverat, just go away because you are so misinformed it's not worth the 5 seconds in time it takes to read your post.
The point is not that they shouldn't be able to watch TV. It's that these people still buy TVs and expensive shoes and iphones and nice cars with big shiny rims all the while drawing from welfare, food stamps, etc while demanding we pay for their healthcare... If they are so poor they shouldn't even be able to afford things like TV or an iphone. Essentially it all boils down to them not being educated and simply not caring and it's part of the stupid people in the country.
and your bills are so high because of cost-shifting as I alluded to in another post. Lots and lots of people pay absolutely nothing for their healthcare. So when people who have insurance show up you have to shell out a crapload of money to offset the loss from those who pay nothing. This happens even if you don't go to an inner city poor person's hospital. Those types of hospitals get almost all their money from medicare/medicaid which the state must fund (through tax dollars). And hospitals with more insurance holders get less in medicare/medicaid funding. So in essence you are already paying for a poor person's healthcare right now. Greedy insurance co bastards.
I would think that a medical student would know how to have a debate without makeing ad hominem and personally insulting remarks like "go away you're not worth talking to". you go away. do you own this place? sighhh.....
i posted the link to the census document, which showed the top two sources of COST are hospitals and doctors/clinics. so you tell me why healthcare is expensive.
apple, google, facebook, etc can make as much money as they can. i dont' care and have no objection (beyond the environmental one, which is outside the scope of this debate.) I'm not against non-surance companies only because they make money. I'm against them because they add no benefit to delivery of healthcare, and yet they benefit from denying people the care that they require and deserve. Purchasing goods and services from corporations is discretionary, but STAYING ALIVE is not something that we should have to make a choice about.
I have a moral objection to people having to pay money to a profit-making corporation - one which adds nothing to the actual healthcare service - just so they can stay alive, and the corporation turns around and denies them the care they need.
I know what insurance is for. Driving a car is voluntary and discretionary, and so insurance companies making a profit by selling car insurance is fine by me. But staying healthy/alive is not discretionary, and a corporation shouldn't make a profit out of people's health and life.
How does an insurance company make a profit, and on top of that, how does it keep up with Wallstreet's demand for ever-increasing profits? There are only two ways: increase premiums, and decrease benefit payouts. From the public's point of view, they are paying more and more for less and less, and in the process 50,000 pepole are dying each year due to lack of proper healthcare benefits. This is morally unacceptable, for profit-making companies to get richer and richer while people are dying!
Yes, the top 1% should pay higher taxes so the 99% can have healthcare, good schools, and good roads, because it is the 99% whose labor generates the wealth that the 1% accumilates. It's called an interconnected and mutually benefiting society. The Aynd Randian cult seems to want to drag us into the jungle and dog-eat-dog world.