Gosia88

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I'm in a process of applying to med school and I'm slowly starting to panic.
I know you cannot give me any definitive answers but I would appreciate some help.

So, all my stats and my current status in each school are on MDapps.

The main problem with my application is that I'm not American :) I'm getting a lot of interviews (more that I though really) but I'm not hearing anything back... I know it's only December, but still...

My questions are:
1. How do you see my chances? (taking my status into the consideration)
2. How much harder is it really for international students (by that I mean non-Canadians non-permanent residents)? I know we have to be more qualified but how much more? I don't thing there are any actual statistics (are there?)...

Anyhow, I would really appreciate some input, or advice. I worked so hard to get to this point, it would be a huge disappointment not to get in anywhere....
:eek: :bang: :help:
 

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My questions are:
1. How do you see my chances? (taking my status into the consideration)
2. How much harder is it really for international students (by that I mean non-Canadians non-permanent residents)? I know we have to be more qualified but how much more? I don't thing there are any actual statistics (are there
1) Pretty good.

2) Data from AAMC: In 2010, of 1340 international applicants without a US state of residence (991 from Canada +349 all other) only 14.9% matriculated to a US med school (86 Canadian + 105 all other), whereas 43.6% of total applicants did matriculate.

2010 Mean stats for Canadians matriculating at US schools: MCAT 33.4+/- 3.5, cGPA 3.74 +/- .22, BCPM GPA 3.75 +/-.23

2010 Mean stats for all other internationals who matriculated:
MCAT 33.0 +/- 4.2, cGPA 3.76 +/-.18, BCPM GPA 3.74 +/- .26

2010 Mean stats for all matriculants:
MCAT 31.1 +/- 4.1, cGPA 3.67 +/- .26, BCPM GPA 3.61 +/- .32
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Update to include 2011 AAMC data (from tables 3,4,20,21):

1331 International Applicants without a US state of residence (1009 Canadian and 363 Other) only 13.1% matriculated to a US med school (174/1331 with 98 Canadian + 76 Other) whereas 43.8% of all applicants did matriculate (19,230/43,919).

Mean Canadian matriculant stats have risen: MCAT 33.8+/-4.1, cGPA 3.76+/-0.2, sGPA 3.76+/-.21
Other Internationals mean matriculant stats: MCAT 32.4+/-3.9, cGPA 3.71+/-.21, sGPA 3.66+/-.26
All 2011 matriculant averages: MCAT 31.1+/-4.1, cGPA 3.67+/-.26, sGPA 3.61+/-.32 (strangely unchanged)
 
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Thank you so much :)

I see now I didn't exactly make myself clear. I've seen the data you posted but it doesn't tell me much, except that I'm above average and that getting into med schools is a long shot for internationals...

I meant: are there any stats like this one:
https://www.aamc.org/download/157958/data/table25-w-mcatgpa-grid-white-0810.pdf.pdf
but for internationals? Or is there any way you can give ma a rough estimate...?

I'm getting more and more nervous and now that it's December I'm thinking maybe I should apply to grad schools just to be sure that if I don't get into med school this year I will not be deported and get a chance again next cycle... Sorry for dumping it on you like this :)
 

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How can you ask if you have a chance when you've been invited to 10 interviews? If you don't get in anywhere, it's your own failure.
 
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How can you ask if you have a chance when you've been invited to 10 interviews? If you don't get in anywhere, it's your own failure.
I'm not an idiot, I know I have a chance. It's not like I just randomly decided to apply to med schools right now - I worked on my app for a long time and I know that it would be my own fault if I don't get in (who else's would it be?), I was just asking for a second opinion. I'm also aware of the numbers for internationals and they don't look so good. That's why I asked. :)
 

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I think u definitely have a good chance. At least 2 schools havent rejected u! I was an international student and I know how hard it is to reach this point. Actually i still wish i was on the student visa! lol I had been in a grey zone until recently. I was neither F1 student nor resident of the US! How funny. Some schools are so confused about my situation that they wouldnt even look at my app. Oh well. It sort of worked out. Good luck with your interviews! I can smell an interview invite from Case. They love foreign students :)
 

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1) Pretty good.

2) Data from AAMC: In 2010, of 1340 international applicants without a US state of residence (991 from Canada +349 all other) only 14.9% matriculated to a US med school (86 Canadian + 105 all other), whereas 43.6% of total applicants did matriculate.

2010 Mean stats for Canadians matriculating at US schools in 2009: MCAT 33.4+/- 3.8, cGPA 3.74 +/- .22, BCPM GPA 3.75 +/-.23

2010 Mean stats for all other internationals who matriculated:
MCAT 33.0 +/- 4.2, cGPA 3.76 +/-.18, BCPM GPA 3.74 +/- .26

2010 Mean stats for all matriculants:
MCAT 31.1 +/- 4.1, cGPA 3.67 +/- .26, BCPM GPA 3.61 +/- .32
Where did you get this?

2010 Mean stats for all other internationals who matriculated:
MCAT 33.0 +/- 4.2, cGPA 3.76 +/-.18, BCPM GPA 3.74 +/- .26

can you cite the reference???
I was looking for something like this!!!
 

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The aamc specifies at the end of the document that:

** State of Legal Residence not necessarily based on citizenship
Which means that the international students who currently live in the states are listed with the other students.
 

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As I said
In 2010, of 1340 international applicants without a US state of residence
Which means that the international students who currently live in the states are listed with the other students.
I'm not sure that's what it implies. We don't know if it means they are legal residents who have fulfilled the requirements of state residency (usually requiring they reside for noneducational purposes for at least a year, which is hard to do on a student visa), that they have a green card or asylee status, or if they simply reside in a state at the time of application. It isn't clear. The AMCAS application does have a blank for Legal Residence, Citizenship, Visa Status, Preferred Address, and for Permanent Address, so the data could be sorted on any basis.