quikclot...
your post left me speechless;
That didn't last very long.
for the rest of you, i think that it's not a disease. our school requires us to sit in on an AA meeting in the back and observe the dynamics, and this is what engendered the discussion.
making it a disease allows them to admit they are powerless against it. the power to help them, therefore, is through God. i believe this is a scapegoat to lift blame off themselves to "relieve the pressures" of trying to quit and getting your motivation through friends, community, and, of course, the higher power.
Rather than musing about exterminating 15 million Americans (which you conclude, with apparent reluctance, is not the way to go) you might have laid out your experience and the feelings it caused up front, rather than make a bunch of vauge assertions and offensive remarks, then sit back and watch the fireworks.
It would have been better for me to respond to your statements in a more restrained way. For some of us, this is a very personal issue. You may or may not be aware of it, but your original post drips with contempt, disdain, and judgement. I reflected those sentiments right back at you, and for that I apologise.
but alcoholism isnt just abusing alcohol. the vast majority of those people were seriously very different. they had addictive personalities. they cant even take prescription drugs (bactrim even for a UTI) without abusing it. they were gamblers, heroin addicts, etc. every little thing they undertook, from poker, to blackjack, to heroin to orgies and swingers, they abused it and got out of control. so maybe there is something genetic.
but calling it a disease and claiming they are powerless on their own strips them of their own resolve to find it in themselves, and forces an outside source. this is not true as it IS entirely possible to cure yourself, as, of course, the cure lies within. they may look to god for strength, but its ultimately on them not to reach for the rum, no matter their reasoning.
So it would seem that your problem is not really that alcoholism is a disease -- you've basically argued yourself into admiting that it is -- but one specific thing that one specific group advises as part of a comphensive plan to put alcoholism in remission, namely steps one through three:
1.We admitted we were powerless over alcohol--that our lives had become unmanageable.
2.Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3.Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him
You do not have to accept these steps as part of your care plan. Accepting them has nothing to do with whether we define alcoholism as a disease. You will not find them in the DSM. They are simply something that AA has found to be helpful to a lot of people. If you read the Big Book -- something I recommend to all future physicians -- you will find that even AA does not argue that these steps are the only road to recovery, merely that a lot of people have used them with success.
Diseases, as I and others have pointed out, are not things we are powerless over or not responsible for coping with. The ideas are not logically connected. You can accept the disease model of alcoholism without accepting the spirtual modality for recovery, which is, of course, exactly what the DSM and the medical profession mostly do.
So you can reject the AA approach, but you shouldn't. It's very powerful, and not at all about abdicating responsibility. Just the opposite, in fact. You could consider it a paradox -- in a spirtual program, you can have paradoxes. If you continue on to the next nine steps, a very different picture emerges:
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
Does that sound to you like something you do if you've given up a sense of responsibility for your fate? What addicts call "turning it over" is about accepting a lack of control over our ultimate fate -- something that none of us have. It is different from not working on the problem yourself. AA has a saying that expresses this duality: "Not responsible for the results; only responsible for the leg work."
I hope you can hear these things from me, despite what I said above, because I believe them to be things really important for clinicians to know. I said, above, that I think you should have led with your experience. I also should have led with mine. My father was an alcoholic before his death last year of an MI. His elder sister was an alcoholic and a drug addict before her suicide. His younger sister is in AA, and his younger brother is dealing with a DUI and the loss of a relationship with his children, because of his drinking. Because of my father and the rest of my family, and because I recognise elements of the addictive personality within myself, I've chosen never to drink. What you said deeply offended me, because, even while asking for our opinions, you appeared to have already passed judgement on alcoholics, and reacted in an angry and contemptous way to them.
I know how quickly in an argument it ceases to be about information and becomes about winning. I hope that, even if you still think I'm a jerk, you'll consider my experience and look closely at the 12 step program, which is much deeper and more powerful than it might seem.
PS:
have you been to an AA meeting?
Oh, yes. The last meeting I went to was my father's first birthday. Do you know about AA birthdays? We celebrate the anniversary of someone's sobriety. My father had 495 days of sobriety when he died. After the meeting, he gave me his coin. Do you know about coins? A meeting gives out coins to mark sobriety dates, starting a 24 hours. One week, one month, three months, six months. The short-time coins are made of plastic but for a year, it's a real metal coin. That coin is the most precious thing I own. It's not even close. So, yes, I've been to an AA meeting. If you're ever in Portland, PM me and we can go to one together. Believe me, they look different from the inside.