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Discussion in 'Medical Students - DO' started by jhug, Nov 14, 2001.
Just curious as to the why/why not and who I'll probably be with next year!
congrats. do you mind posting your stats.
Hello fellow AZCOM student. I will be there next fall. I decided to go there because they got to me first and I am lazy. I felt really comfortable there, I was impressed with board scores and the facilities. I like the way the clinical rotations are designed. I was also impressed with the the students I met and the student organizations on campus. I want to improve my Spanish and there is group of students who meet for that purpose. Overall I could see myself being happy there.
I will miss trees and big bodies of water (I live in New Orleans now).
Now that I know where I am going to be next fall, I really want next fall to get here FAST.
Nico- I'm not exactly sure what you mean by stats but I'm a 24 year old married guy/ no kids yet. I'm Grad from the university of utah with a major in Spanish-of all things and will be the fourth physician in my fam- (first DO). Are you going to AZCOM next year? Sugar, what part of Lusiana (spelled as it's said)? My dad did his residency there and always talks of how beautiful it is. I'm excited to meet/get to know people I may study with next year...congrats to you both! I also was very impressed with the facilities and clinical sites. This seemed like the first place that fit the image I had as a kid growing up of where I would receive my medical education. Anywho, keep in touch!
Hello jhug -- congrats on your acceptance. I was accepted to AZCOM this year as well, but I have decided not to go. Although I think it is a great school, there were a few things that bothered me about it. I don't like the fact that most of the clinical work is outside a hospital (ie ambulatory), and I really wouldn't be happy living in the desert. The campus had a weird feel to it, probably because it is in the desert. I was told that all the exams are on one day each week, and that would be alittle too stressful for me. It just wasn't a good fit for me, and visiting the campus made me realize how important it is to be happy at the school you'll be attending. Good luck, it really is a good school.
It's true- just as you say, each school fits each of us so differently. For me, the fact that the clinical sites are more toward ambulatory settings is great! At hospitals you are working with a doctor, two interns, two residents, a fourth year, and then you. This means that you are looking over the shoulder of 6 people to see what is going on- one student told me he had to stand on a stool and look at a mirror on the ceiling to see what was going on in a surgery! Most docs will tell you that the future of medicine, (not all medicine but a great amount), is headed toward ambulatory-less expensive, smaller clinics/hospitals. This is where you will get one-on-one attention- both as a patient as well as an aspiring surgeon or doctor. I like the idea of being assigned my own teacher/doctor/mentor/preceptor what-ever- to teach me what they know- not some fourth year or resident who learned it last month. Of course the larger hospitals are available at your request-ie. Children's Hospital of Phoenix and the Mayo clinics. Congrats on where you are accepted and going to attend- the greatest part of all of this is that someday, hopefully, we will work side by side on a case and be able to share from all that we've acquired over these past years. I wish you the best!
Thanks for the clarification on the exams - the day I was there the students had exams for 3 classes all on Monday, and I thought that was the norm.
I will be there come August, I chose AZCOM for a couple of reasons....1st, They understood the importance of my presence at the school and for the class of 2006 (In actuality I probably won the best out of three in the coin flip; either way They accepted me). Secondly, I seemed to really connect with the school and the students. I really like the the way the carriculum was set up as well as the 3rd and 4th year rotations with individual preceptors (mucho individual attention). I think the desert will be a great place to spend a few years of my life....I do much better in warm places. Though it doesn't have an ocean near (I live in Oregon) I can escape to the mountains a few hours north. And if I go through rain withdrawls (which I won't) I can always come home anytime between November and May.
Anyway, the school was my first choice after my visit and I am very excited to be attending, and meeting my fellow classmates and future colleagues....
SPORT- now i have you answering questions in both topics!! hey, my wife wants to know if you are married?! She is looking for people/spouses to get to know. Also, are you looking at the student housing or more living off campus?
I just got back from my interview at AZCOM. I left very impressed, and I am pretty sure that this is where I want to go. I have been accepted into KCOM and DMU, but I just got a better feel for AZCOM. I, too, do much better in warm places being from Texas. AZCOM was the nicest school I have been to, and I thought Arizona was absolutely beautiful. The director of their clinical education department talked to us for 15-20 minutes about rotations/residency matches of AZCOM students, this is probably what sold me on the school. The only negative about the school is the cost, and MAYBE that they're so new (could be a good thing, though). But, cost is really an extraneous factor as compared to facilities, curriculum, quality of students/faculty, rotations/residency matches, board scores, etc. Congrats to all of you who have gotten accepted. And, to those who decide to attend AZCOM....I think you have made a very good decision. I agree with the statement that there are some schools that you get a very good feeling about when you visit.....this is the one that I got that feeling about. Just my two cents.....
Good luck to everyone!
TCOM06, I also got in at DMU and was very grateful for how attentive they were- but as you said, I just had that gut feeling this is where I should go. I agree with you that this is the nicest school out of the 6 I interviewed at-- others were nice, but this had an "official" medical school feel- all the others had....I don't know how to explain it other than a community college feel. I don't mean that negatively-- I had a full ride scholarship at a cc and did 2 years there so i speak from experience -- I just felt that AZCOM was the best medical school of the group. I wish you the best at getting in and hopefully we will see each other next fall.
The only short coming about AZCOM is the lack of inpatient based rotations. Your third year is is almost 100% preceptor based and you do not learn how to manage inpatients well. Multitasking on the wards is a huge task to learn. You must master this by the end of your third year or you will look like a fool amongst the other medstudents. By the time you are a fourth year, you have to go out of state to find the inpatient rotations. It is at this time that you realize how behind you really are. Remember, most 4th year rotations are "audition" rotations in the specialties you want to apply for. If you did not learn how to manage patients well in your 3rd year, it highly likely you will fail to impress most residency directors. And what the hell is this B.S. about having 4th year "didactic" sessions during the middle of the interviewing period? 3 weeks of classes when you are supposed to be studying for the boards and interviewing for residency positions?
AZCOM will become a good school one day. But for now, I would not recommend going there until they have established affiliations with teaching institutions. The preceptor based rotations are worthless.
Although overstated, I'm afraid Devil's advocates point is a valid one. I have heard from program directors in Pheonix that the preceptorship model is inferior. I also don't like AZCOM's clinical curriculum.. 12 weeks of FP in 3rd year and only 4 weeks general surg and 4 weeks general Internal medicine seems unbalanced to me.
If I go to AZCOM I would do my rotations out of state. I've heard of people doing them with CCOM's students. But you'd still be stuck with AZCOM's unbalanced rotation requirements.
Hello to all new members of the Class of 2006! I am a current student at AZCOM and look forward to meeting all of you. I think that you will enjoy life and school here, and if you want to ask me any questions feel free to do so! Welcome!
To any doubters on how AZCOM is doing-- look at <a href="http://www.azcomstudents.org!" target="_blank">www.azcomstudents.org!</a> look at the matching results! UCLA, MAYO, UMASS-- these are top-notch matches. For obvious reasons i will not name the other schools, but i had three-- all claiming to be "established" because they have been around for a hundred years-- give me the run-a-round about their matching. One even went far enough to tell me they didn't keep a record of where their students matched!!!! That is a huge, HUGE red light!! Weaknesses are shown in results and as far as i'm concerned, these results speak for themselves. Also, don't you hate the hierarchy of "traditional" clinical rotations??? As a 3rd year, you are behind a 4th year student, two residents, and two interns-- you're lucky to see the doc twice a week!!! I'll take the personal- one-on-one attention and learn the inpatient techniques from those who REALLY do it-- the incredibly qualified nurses! Each of us has a niche, --a feeling-- as to where to go for the best education-- AZCOM is one of, if not the best (in my opinion) osteopathic institutions available.
The worse thing you can do is to write a school off without looking at the whole picture.
Let me help if you need it.
I must really have a lot of time on my hands (I haven't posted this much since I first registered on this site). I am going to disagree with Devil's Advocate and the assertion that with a preceptorship based you will not learn to manage inpatients and the multitasking that goes on in inpatient rotations. I agree that some rotations are less than ideal (so are some inpatient rotations) but that did not happen to me. I responded under another topic about my experiences and I was surprised to see that when I started my 4th year inpatient rotations, I was more comfortable in my role than those that had been doing inpatient rotations all along. I was able to get very good inpatient rotations this year (among them Mayo and UCSF) and have gotten excellent evaluations.
Though our curriulum is published and anyone can tell that we have 3 family practice rotations, I cannot help but wonder if Devil's Advocate is a fellow classmate of mine (just wondering, as it is NOT published that we are having didactics in the middle of the interviewing season and the complaints are similar to those I've heard around school. And yes, I looked at the profile for DA but, hmmmm...). All in all, you have heard that med school is what you make of it, you can find excellent rotations and believe me, you will be more than able to hold your own with the rest of the med students. Now that I've said more than I have to, I'll go back into retirement
Best wishes to all of you going to AZCOM!
[. . . let the wise listen and add to their learning, and let the discerning get guidance. . . Proverbs 1:5 ]
TEDSADOC2002-- I am glad you have that little extra time to be on this so much-- you provide a voice of reason to most of this I don't think i already asked-- but what field are you looking at going into? also, how did you swing rotations at Mayo & ucsf?? I am looking heavily at surgery and want to get the best education possible as well as open the most doors for that field as possible in my 3rd and 4th years. oh, by the way- thanks for the web site!
jhug, dont worry, surgery is wide open now! seems many graduating students are realizing early that lifestyle is a huge aspect of being a physician. the long hours, high risk, and marginal returns for what you do are turning many away from surgery. i heard that up to 50% of surgical programs may not match this year (but this is from anecdotal reports from other surgical residents). good luck to all!
Check the student website of Class of 2005:
<a href="http://www.azcom2005.org" target="_blank">www.azcom2005.org</a>
Hi. I've interviewed at AZCOM for the class of 2006 and really liked the school and its program. Unfortuneately, I was placed on the "waitlist" and when I inquired about that waitlist and how many they accept from it I was given a very vague answer and that they didnt even start looking at the waitlist until May!!
Do any current AZCOM students know about the waitlist policy at AZCOM or what I can do to increase my chances of getting selected from the waitlist?
Thanks for the info...were you accepted?
Ryan-- of the 12 that interviewed with me, 9 were lds. During our interview i met quite a few students that are as well- i'm from salt lake and they took that as a good give-a-way so i'd say a pretty good representation is present there.
Guys..Jhug was mainly pointing at your stats..meaning mcat scores and gpa and what schools you guys went to..cmon, help us out.. you guys are already inn.
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There are quite a few of us. In the first year class, 15+. I think the second year class is equivalent.
What's an LDS??????
An person who is LDS, or Mormon, is a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints
does anyone know about the average spent each month on electricity in the student housing complex? I heard that is the only thing they don't pay for, as far as utilities go.
Electricity in my apartment in Tucson shoudl be comparable. It was $130 a month in July and $50 a month in March. It depends on your usage. but my apartment was 1300 square feet and we kept it at about 75 in summer and 68 (or waremer) in winter. We used A/C and electric heat. And the computer ran 24-7 and we used our stove and oven often. Plus my roommate and I took hot showers every day. We didn't conserve energy, but we didn't waste it. I think the rates are comparable between Phoenix and Tucson. Hope this helps.