Is it true that Podiatrists and Dentists have the same income?

[Ash]

I've heard from some people that Podiatrists have an easier job and they also have pretty much the same annual income...It really doesn't make sense to me because I know for fact that there are many other doctors that can do the job of a Podiatrist. For example, any skin related problems on the foot dermetologst can treat and any bone related injuries an orthopedic can deal with. On top of that, I have found out from many people that the overhead cost of Dentists are 3 times more than that of a Dentist....What do you guys think????

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[USAF_Dentman]

I've heard from some people that Podiatrists have an easier job and they also have pretty much the same annual income...It really doesn't make sense to me because I know for fact that there are many other doctors that can do the job of a Podiatrist. For example, any skin related problems on the foot dermetologst can treat and any bone related injuries an orthopedic can deal with. On top of that, I have found out from many people that the overhead cost of Dentists are 3 times more than that of a Dentist....What do you guys think????

Well there might be a FEW pods that make the same as a GENERAL dentist.. But you have to realize the job market for pods is complete CRAP and very few actually make this income. The majority of pods make FAR less...

 

[aphistis]

I've heard from some people that Podiatrists have an easier job and they also have pretty much the same annual income...It really doesn't make sense to me because I know for fact that there are many other doctors that can do the job of a Podiatrist. For example, any skin related problems on the foot dermetologst can treat and any bone related injuries an orthopedic can deal with. On top of that, I have found out from many people that the overhead cost of Dentists are 3 times more than that of a Dentist....What do you guys think????

I'm sure somewhere out there exist a dentist and a podiatrist who earned the same amount of money last year.

 

[dWiz]

I have found out from many people that the overhead cost of Dentists are 3 times more than that of a Dentist....

makes perfect sense

 

[45540]

never really thought about it. Don't see why it matters.

 

[flat4]

I hate feet and couldn't imagine working on them all day for any amount of money. I'm sure there are those who think the same of working in the oral cavity. Don't do it for the money or because it's easy b/c you will get bored real quick.

 

[Temple 2006]

I have heard of them earning the same amount of money a year.
The podiatrist's worked 4.5 days / week.
The dentist worked 2.5 days / week.
All depends how you look at it.

 

[bangers]

I've heard from some people that Podiatrists have an easier job and they also have pretty much the same annual income...It really doesn't make sense to me because I know for fact that there are many other doctors that can do the job of a Podiatrist. For example, any skin related problems on the foot dermetologst can treat and any bone related injuries an orthopedic can deal with. On top of that, I have found out from many people that the overhead cost of Dentists are 3 times more than that of a Dentist....What do you guys think????

It all depends on the individual. What do you want to do with your career? Do you want to work on feet or teeth? Don't get sidetracked with the dollar value or ease of work. Which one interests you more.

 

[Ash]

It all depends on the individual. What do you want to do with your career? Do you want to work on feet or teeth? Don't get sidetracked with the dollar value or ease of work. Which one interests you more.

Come on Peopleeee i know i want to be a dentist and it's never been for the money,,,,why can't any person on this network talk about Income related question and comparisons with other professions to have an intelligent threat without a bunch of emotional people coming and constantly arguing about how theyyy just loveeee dentistry and all that crap...
Hopefully we will all be dentists let's learn to discuss the income issues and not jump into conclusions about ""OHHH BUT THIS GUY IS ONLY THINKING ABOUT THE MONEYY"" that is already played out...enough
I want some good discussions....

 

[bangers]

Come on Peopleeee i know i want to be a dentist and it's never been for the money,,,,why can't any person on this network talk about Income related question and comparisons with other professions to have an intelligent threat without a bunch of emotional people coming and constantly arguing about how theyyy just loveeee dentistry and all that crap...
Hopefully we will all be dentists let's learn to discuss the income issues and not jump into conclusions about ""OHHH BUT THIS GUY IS ONLY THINKING ABOUT THE MONEYY"" that is already played out...enough
I want some good discussions....

you're too defensive. I did not say that YOU were only thinking about the money. The ony one being emotional is you.

 

[airvent]

Really who gives a flying....

What you will make as a dentist is up to you. The more ambitious who want to own their own practice will make more than someone who prefers to be an associate. Some people will be satisfied with 70K others will open 3 practices.

Also you will likely invest so that will supplement your income.

But I could live to be 100 years old and never care two spits about how much a podiatrist makes.

 

[J2AZ]

Also you will likely invest so that will supplement your income.
QUOTE]

True...if you want to make real money you will need to do something on the side. Dentistry is a great career and will you afford you a great living. However, if you want to be rich you should look into suplementing your income through investments in real estate or through some other business venture.

 

[TucsonDDS]

hey ash, i heard you can make a killing owning a casino like that Wynn fellow, or by selling cadaver's. how about a nice discussion of why i'm posting on a dental forum and comparing salaries of random jobs?

There is a lady that I work with whose husband is in the "organ procurement" business and makes a butt load of money. He somehow gets organs for research purposes and sells them to whatever labs want the organs. She doesn't really know what or how he does it though. Maybe he is selling kidneys on Ebay.

 

[psiyung]

Come on Peopleeee i know i want to be a dentist and it's never been for the money,,,,why can't any person on this network talk about Income related question and comparisons with other professions to have an intelligent threat without a bunch of emotional people coming and constantly arguing about how theyyy just loveeee dentistry and all that crap...
Hopefully we will all be dentists let's learn to discuss the income issues and not jump into conclusions about ""OHHH BUT THIS GUY IS ONLY THINKING ABOUT THE MONEYY"" that is already played out...enough
I want some good discussions....

Maybe because the same kinds of questions are repeated ad nauseum. For Cheeeeeeeeeeerist sakes!, make up your mind on what you want to do in your life. Stop thinking so damn much and DO something

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[burton117]

There is a lady that I work with whose husband is in the "organ procurement" business and makes a butt load of money. He somehow gets organs for research purposes and sells them to whatever labs want the organs. She doesn't really know what or how he does it though. Maybe he is selling kidneys on Ebay.

I thought purchasing of human organs was illegal. Anybody know anything about this? I heard something along the lines of you can't sell an organ to another human being, i.e. organ donor. Is it different if the organ can't be used by a live human, i.e. for research purposes, then it beomes a product for sale? But then what about blood plasma, etc...

Not that I am actually expecting anybody to be an expert on the "procurement" of organs, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...

 

[ktrain315]

Believe it or not, I am an expert on the "procurement" of organs and tissue. I work for the CHTN (cooperative human tissue network)
http://www-chtn.ims.nci.nih.gov/

 

[TucsonDDS]

I thought purchasing of human organs was illegal. Anybody know anything about this? I heard something along the lines of you can't sell an organ to another human being, i.e. organ donor. Is it different if the organ can't be used by a live human, i.e. for research purposes, then it beomes a product for sale? But then what about blood plasma, etc...

Not that I am actually expecting anybody to be an expert on the "procurement" of organs, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...

This guy is getting the organs for research purposes and I don't know if he charges a "procurement" fee or if he charges alacarte. In fact, I don't even know where he gets the organs from?? I would assume it is from people that donate their bodies to science and he is only charging a "handling" fee. As far as plasma goes many places will pay you for that, but once again I believe that the plasma from those centers goes to research due and not to people. The Red Cross doesn't pay for blood because of the fear of who may be willing to sell it and not disclose their medical history.

 

[TucsonDDS]

Believe it or not, I am an expert on the "procurement" of organs and tissue. I work for the CHTN (cooperative human tissue network)
http://www-chtn.ims.nci.nih.gov/

I would assume he works for a company very similar, if not the same, to your employer.

 

[north2southOMFS]

Wow, a topic which started as feet vs teeth has somehow shifted to a topic about the organ procurment business.


Neato.

 

[KY2007]

I have heard of them earning the same amount of money a year.
The podiatrist's worked 4.5 days / week.
The dentist worked 2.5 days / week.
All depends how you look at it.

Most of the dentist I know work 4 or 5 days per week. Most are leaning towards the 5 side.

 

[12YearOldKid]

One weekend over summer break I went to this wild party in Las Vegas. I woke up early the next morning feeling groggy, cold, and with a dull ache in my stomach. As I came to my senses I realized I was laying naked in a tub of ice and bleeding from about 30 stitches in my abdomen. I looked up and saw a note at the head of the tub that read "Your kidneys are gone. Call 911."

Of course I was freaking out, but managed to get to the phone and call an ambulance. They took care of me in the ER, but then transferred to me a transplant surgeon who would be in charge of getting me a new kidney. He told me there was a very unlikely chance that I would be able to find a suitable donor because of my ethnicity, but he "knew a guy" that might be able to help if I could keep my mouth shut and come up with $30,000. Well, I begged and borrowed from every obscure relative I could find to get the money together.

So just before the surgery I was sitting in the room alone with the anesthesiologist - about to be knocked out - and he just out of the blue mentions how lucky I am to have an identical twin willing to give me a kidney. "What are you talking about?" I asked. "I'm an only child."

He then tells me that he happened to look at the tissue typing reports and that kidney could only belong to someone with my identical genetic makeup. I started to ask him more questions, but the drugs were starting to take effect and I blacked out.

I'm pretty sure I payed about $50,000 to get my own kidney back. The one question I still have is --- where's the other one?

True story. I'll post a pic of the scars if you want.

 

[AUG2UAG]

same thing happened to me!! here's a pic of my scars:

they took my pronephros, put it on the black market in Thailand, and last week it washed on shore (out of nowhere)!! i immediately ate it so it could go back to its original place

 

[Fullosseousflap]

We make More!

 

[mstunkel]

Thats a hard quesion to answer. On average the two fields of practice probably do have close to the same income. But on the upside, dentists have a lot more potential to earn a lot more money. In other words even though the annual salary for general dentist is around 120,000, there are far more dentist than podiatrists making more than 500,000 annually

 

[KY2007]

Thats a hard quesion to answer. On average the two fields of practice probably do have close to the same income. But on the upside, dentists have a lot more potential to earn a lot more money. In other words even though the annual salary for general dentist is around 120,000, there are far more dentist than podiatrists making more than 500,000 annually

According to the ADA the average for a general dentist private practice owner is $173,000 not $120,000.

 

[psiyung]

According to the ADA the average for a general dentist private practice owner is $173,000 not $120,000.

As much as I would like for that number t be true, I personally feel that the number released by the ADA is inflated

 

[aphistis]

As much as I would like for that number t be true, I personally feel that the number released by the ADA is inflated

Based on...?

 

[KY2007]

As much as I would like for that number t be true, I personally feel that the number released by the ADA is inflated

The $120,000 quote that everyone is throwing around comes from the U.S. Department of Labor. However, this quote is for salaried dentists (associates, educators), not for private practice owners. Right under the $120,000 quote it plainly states that private practice owners make more than the amount stated. Since most dentists own their practices I do not think that the $173,000 is overstated.

 

[Fullosseousflap]

The $120,000 quote that everyone is throwing around comes from the U.S. Department of Labor. However, this quote is for salaried dentists (associates, educators), not for private practice owners. Right under the $120,000 quote it plainly states that private practice owners make more than the amount stated. Since most dentists own their practices I do not think that the $173,000 is overstated.

Depending upon your area of the country.....between 150-200 K for a GP is about right!

120 K is low and probably an old figure.

Of course, specialists make much more!

We all have a bright income future. The MD's are eating their hearts out!

 

[ToothMonkey]

I don't think the ADA's average is inflated, but I am curious about how much lower a *median* figure would be (considering the number of $1+ million practices out there). Not that precise values really matter in this case (it's a lot of money either way)...but it would be interesting to compare the two figures.

So far the only median I've found is from a Dental Economics survey and it's even higher than the ADA's mean, pretty much confirming my suspicion that everyone associated with that publication is hemorrhaging greenbacks from every orifice...

 

[Dr. Steve Urkel]

We all have a bright income future. The MD's are eating their hearts out!

I am certainly not eating my heart out, I chose medicine because the lifestyle potential is at least double that of any dentist. Dentists should not feel inferior because of this. I mean nobody is saying your DDS and earning potential is inferior...so why should you try to qualify it?

these are for SALARIED PHYSICIANS:
http://www.allied-physicians.com/salary_surveys/physician-salaries.htm

PRIVATE PRACTICE: can almost double these figures
Radiology - 911706
Company Name: CompHealth
Title: Radiology - 911706
Brief Description: You Could Have It All! Earn $650,000 in a Beautiful Texas Location,Permanent
Full Description: Permanent Radiology
19 person Radiology group with over 20 years of history seeks a physician fellowship trained in either Body Imaging or MRI. Group covers both hospital and imaging centers.
High earning - $650,000 or more as full partner
Competitive starting salary
1 year to voting partner
12 weeks of vacation as partner
Outstanding benefits including $45,000 pension contribution


http://auntminnie.com/index.asp?sec=mkt&sub=emp&pag=adv&item_id=20119

-the above is an actual job listing, can someone post any job listing for a dentist with oh say even half that figure? I would really like to see it, show me the link..... . I bet I will see nothing.

DENTISTS
http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_compresult_national_HC07000220.html
http://www.payscale.com/salary-survey/vid-7900/fid-6886
http://www.bls.gov/oco/pdf/ocos072.pdf


The fact is that numbers don't lie. <120,000 is your earning potential. You need not feel like you must invent a salary to justify what you feel is an inferior degree. Dentists are still needed though.

I remember asking the dental forum to post any link other than that one ADA link that everyone refers to but cant back up, that showed that dentists make more than 120,000. What was the response.....NOTHING!!! Nobody can prove it...And to the girl that said that the 120,000 figure was "old", sorry honey that figure is the most recent, most accurate fact we have.

And remember, over half of our physicians are in private practice too. However, you will never see a nice publication from the AMA about salaries, first b/c they are a PROFESSIONAL organization and are ABOVE THIS. Second, because the earning potential in private practice for physicians is LUDICROUS. So please, do not bring salary into the picture, you only make yourself look bad. There is no real comparision, just that invented by the ADA and some aspiring dentite who failed to get into med-school. Oh yes you will hear many dental students say that they had the "grades" to get into med school but hey, so did all the other medical students and they did NOT choose dentistry.

 

[ecdoesit]

Hey, Steve,
Thank you for ur input. I am wondering if you consider Radiology superior to internal medicine? And how you rank radiology to surgery, ENT, etc...

For all,
It sucks to compare different profession and even within profession. You could probably compare apple from CA and FL, but then we have to compare apple and orange too? Of cos, each profession has it pros and cons. As long as people are living happily, do what they choose. At the dental forum level, I expect we could do a bit better than just concerning who's superior nor inferior. And please bring the correct fact to discussion too. Otherwise, it will upset some grp of people.

Since oral cavity is still part of the whole systemic body, it makes sense that we work together to provide the best care to our patients. If we could only improve communication, we could enhance different Tx result. At least this is how we are taught here at my sch.

 

[lnn2]

........... There is no real comparision, just that invented by the ADA and some aspiring dentite who failed to get into med-school. Oh yes you will hear many dental students say that they had the "grades" to get into med school but hey, so did all the other medical students and they did NOT choose dentistry.

Are you a crack head? your post is very incoherent. Why did you waste the time to write a long post which nobody gives a ****? I don't give a **** about MD vs DDS salaries or any other med students with the "grades", good for them.

 

[GQ1]

I am certainly not eating my heart out, I chose medicine because the lifestyle potential is at least double that of any dentist. Dentists should not feel inferior because of this. I mean nobody is saying your DDS and earning potential is inferior...so why should you try to qualify it?

these are for SALARIED PHYSICIANS:
http://www.allied-physicians.com/salary_surveys/physician-salaries.htm

PRIVATE PRACTICE: can almost double these figures
Radiology - 911706
Company Name: CompHealth
Title: Radiology - 911706
Brief Description: You Could Have It All! Earn $650,000 in a Beautiful Texas



with over 20 years of history seeks a physician fellowship trained in either Body Imaging or MRI. Group covers both hospital and imaging centers.
High earning - $650,000 or more as full partner
Competitive starting salary
1 year to voting partner
12 weeks of vacation as partner
Outstanding benefits including $45,000 pension contribution


http://auntminnie.com/index.asp?sec=mkt&sub=emp&pag=adv&item_id=20119

-the above is an actual job listing, can someone post any job listing for a dentist with oh say even half that figure? I would really like to see it, show me the link..... . I bet I will see nothing.

DENTISTS
http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_compresult_national_HC07000220.html
http://www.payscale.com/salary-survey/vid-7900/fid-6886
http://www.bls.gov/oco/pdf/ocos072.pdf


The fact is that numbers don't lie. <120,000 is your earning potential. You need not feel like you must invent a salary to justify what you feel is an inferior degree. Dentists are still needed though.

I remember asking the dental forum to post any link other than that one ADA link that everyone refers to but cant back up, that showed that dentists make more than 120,000. What was the response.....NOTHING!!! Nobody can prove it...And to the girl that said that the 120,000 figure was "old", sorry honey that figure is the most recent, most accurate fact we have.

And remember, over half of our physicians are in private practice too. However, you will never see a nice publication from the AMA about salaries, first b/c they are a PROFESSIONAL organization and are ABOVE THIS. Second, because the earning potential in private practice for physicians is LUDICROUS. So please, do not bring salary into the picture, you only make yourself look bad. There is no real comparision, just that invented by the ADA and some aspiring dentite who failed to get into med-school. Oh yes you will hear many dental students say that they had the "grades" to get into med school but hey, so did all the other medical students and they did NOT choose dentistry.

hate to bring it down to this. but if you re that immature . your comparing your highest paying specialty to our lowest - general practice but still this guy makes $250k for 1 day per week with no residency and hes his own boss

this is the site and ive pasted what hes saying

http://www.1000gems.com/


But first, for those who don’t know me yet, my name is Dr. Tom Orent. I’ve spent 22 years perfecting my own profit system for running a stress free, money making, real life patient attraction dental practice. You will be shown the amazing secrets that have more than doubled my practice in what may seem to you like lightening speed! Secrets that allowed me to practice just one day per week and net over $250,000.00 per year! Imagine the practice dentistry as an extremely well paid hobby! More importantly, I’m now able to focus the majority of my time helping other dentists turn their practices into cash-generating machines. And I’d really like to help you!

“Net Over $250,000.00 Per Year Working Just One Day A Week!”

 

[Fullosseousflap]

I don't want to start a war here but I will post a graph and a link to a recent Wall Street Journal Article.

Dentistry and Medicine is about serving our patients anyway. Dentistry is really a specialized branch of Medicine.

But.... here is the graph:

The Link is here.

 

[lnn2]

....
But first, for those who don’t know me yet, my name is Dr. Tom Orent. I’ve spent 22 years perfecting my own profit system for running a stress free, money making, real life patient attraction dental practice.

22yrs? I can do that in a week! yeah, beat that.

....You will be shown the amazing secrets that have more than doubled my practice in what may seem to you like lightening speed! Secrets that allowed me to practice just one day per week and net over $250,000.00 per year!

Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it called: Stick-your-hands-down-the-patients'-pockets-when-they're-not-looking method?

practice dentistry as an extremely well paid hobby! More importantly, I’m now able to focus the majority of my time helping other dentists turn their practices into cash-generating machines

That is not what dentistry is. You and other dentists that you're helping should switch to scam artists profession or street pharmacists.

$250K for one day per week practicing dentistry? You are another crack head. Do you sell cracks at your office, Dr. Tom "crack head" Orent?
Please help me build a dental office! help this

 

[KY2007]

I am certainly not eating my heart out, I chose medicine because the lifestyle potential is at least double that of any dentist. Dentists should not feel inferior because of this. I mean nobody is saying your DDS and earning potential is inferior...so why should you try to qualify it?

these are for SALARIED PHYSICIANS:
http://www.allied-physicians.com/salary_surveys/physician-salaries.htm

PRIVATE PRACTICE: can almost double these figures
Radiology - 911706
Company Name: CompHealth
Title: Radiology - 911706
Brief Description: You Could Have It All! Earn $650,000 in a Beautiful Texas Location,Permanent
Full Description: Permanent Radiology
19 person Radiology group with over 20 years of history seeks a physician fellowship trained in either Body Imaging or MRI. Group covers both hospital and imaging centers.
High earning - $650,000 or more as full partner
Competitive starting salary
1 year to voting partner
12 weeks of vacation as partner
Outstanding benefits including $45,000 pension contribution


http://auntminnie.com/index.asp?sec=mkt&sub=emp&pag=adv&item_id=20119

-the above is an actual job listing, can someone post any job listing for a dentist with oh say even half that figure? I would really like to see it, show me the link..... . I bet I will see nothing.

DENTISTS
http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_compresult_national_HC07000220.html
http://www.payscale.com/salary-survey/vid-7900/fid-6886
http://www.bls.gov/oco/pdf/ocos072.pdf


The fact is that numbers don't lie. <120,000 is your earning potential. You need not feel like you must invent a salary to justify what you feel is an inferior degree. Dentists are still needed though.

I remember asking the dental forum to post any link other than that one ADA link that everyone refers to but cant back up, that showed that dentists make more than 120,000. What was the response.....NOTHING!!! Nobody can prove it...And to the girl that said that the 120,000 figure was "old", sorry honey that figure is the most recent, most accurate fact we have.

And remember, over half of our physicians are in private practice too. However, you will never see a nice publication from the AMA about salaries, first b/c they are a PROFESSIONAL organization and are ABOVE THIS. Second, because the earning potential in private practice for physicians is LUDICROUS. So please, do not bring salary into the picture, you only make yourself look bad. There is no real comparision, just that invented by the ADA and some aspiring dentite who failed to get into med-school. Oh yes you will hear many dental students say that they had the "grades" to get into med school but hey, so did all the other medical students and they did NOT choose dentistry.

Sounds a little like one of the ads that says you can make $10,000 per week without leaving your homes. Don't even try to say radiologists average that much money. If you want an actual estimate then try this one http://www.aamc.org/students/cim/pub_radiology.htm . Also the average for general dentists is ~170,000 not 120,000. If you want to talk about extremes and not averages there are general dentists, and specialists that make over $1,000,000 per year. If you add in the fact that the average dentist works 36 hrs per week and the average MD works around 60 then the salary figure is even more embarrassing. Why don't you go misdiagnose or kill someone. Seems to be what your best at.

 

[Dr. Steve Urkel]

Sounds a little like one of the ads that says you can make $10,000 per week without leaving your homes. Don't even try to say radiologists average that much money. If you want an actual estimate then try this one http://www.aamc.org/students/cim/pub_radiology.htm . Also the average for general dentists is ~170,000 not 120,000. If you want to talk about extremes and not averages there are general dentists, and specialists that make over $1,000,000 per year. If you add in the fact that the average dentist works 36 hrs per week and the average MD works around 60 then the salary figure is even more embarrassing. Why don't you go misdiagnose or kill someone. Seems to be what your best at.

This has to be the most poorly written post I have ever seen. You make these sweeping generalizations. So now dentists make a million dollars huh? Funny, last time i checked the US labor department said $120,000, unless all that is a lie...Um and yeah radiologists and MANY other specialities make that kind of money, its no big surprise. If you want to verify the job offer, why dont you call, the number is right there, it is from a medical group offer after all. Extremes, right the offer is for 3 MONTHS of vacation with 650,000+++ a year so I'd say that is better. I guess next time you need medical help you better go see your dentist and not physician, since all we do is misdiagnose.


Look my point for posting this was only to make you feel what I felt when I read your original post. We dont have to regret that we chose the field we are in now when you say that MDs are eating their heart out. We all work very hard at what we do to have it disqualified by someone saying that its all for crap. I like what I do, you like what you all do and we all obviously are compensated well for our hard work, lets leave it at that. Believe me money is not the driving force in my life. But it sucks when people shove it in your face that you arent going to be making anything when the contrary it true.

 

[GQ1]

22yrs? I can do that in a week! yeah, beat that.


Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it called: Stick-your-hands-down-the-patients'-pockets-when-they're-not-looking method?


That is not what dentistry is. You and other dentists that you're helping should switch to scam artists profession or street pharmacists.

$250K for one day per week practicing dentistry? You are another crack head. Do you sell cracks at your office, Dr. Tom "crack head" Orent?
Please help me build a dental office! help this

i dont agree with him at all, it does seem a little unethical but we re just showing the med student that if they want to bring the level of conversation down with one job offer we have better. i have little respect if this is one of those "cosmetic dentistry" (what the hell is that anyway) offices doing crappy veneers on 3 and 14 and so called smile make overs, but hey isnt it a rip off when you have four radiographs in the ER and they tell you 500 bucks.

 

[ToothMonkey]

Most of Urkel's post is simply a regurgitation of the same old inaccuracies we've heard before (e.g. misrepresenting the average dentist's salary as the average dentist's income, comparing the income of general dentists to that of medical specialists, etc.).

However, he does make one unique--and bizarre--claim that should be corrected for the record. (There may be undecided undergrads reading this and I wouldn't want them to get the wrong impression about physician incomes.)

you will never see a nice publication from the AMA about salaries, first b/c they are a PROFESSIONAL organization and are ABOVE THIS.

This is incorrect. The AMA regularly publishes a report entitled Physician Socioeconomic Statistics that covers--in excruciating detail--the financial status of medical doctors. Survey results are broken down by specialty and geographic location, and other interesting variables (incl. working hours and expenses) are also addressed.

I would encourage anyone interested in an accurate assessment of physician incomes to seek out a copy of that document rather than applying a single example from radiology, one of the highest paid specialties, to the entire field of medicine. Obviously there are dentists who net $650,000 as well, but that is not representative of the profession as a whole.

 

[sdog]

I am certainly not eating my heart out, I chose medicine because the lifestyle potential is at least double that of any dentist. Dentists should not feel inferior because of this. I mean nobody is saying your DDS and earning potential is inferior...so why should you try to qualify it?

these are for SALARIED PHYSICIANS:
http://www.allied-physicians.com/salary_surveys/physician-salaries.htm

PRIVATE PRACTICE: can almost double these figures
Radiology - 911706
Company Name: CompHealth
Title: Radiology - 911706
Brief Description: You Could Have It All! Earn $650,000 in a Beautiful Texas Location,Permanent
Full Description: Permanent Radiology
19 person Radiology group with over 20 years of history seeks a physician fellowship trained in either Body Imaging or MRI. Group covers both hospital and imaging centers.
High earning - $650,000 or more as full partner
Competitive starting salary
1 year to voting partner
12 weeks of vacation as partner
Outstanding benefits including $45,000 pension contribution


http://auntminnie.com/index.asp?sec=mkt&sub=emp&pag=adv&item_id=20119

-the above is an actual job listing, can someone post any job listing for a dentist with oh say even half that figure? I would really like to see it, show me the link..... . I bet I will see nothing.

DENTISTS
http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_compresult_national_HC07000220.html
http://www.payscale.com/salary-survey/vid-7900/fid-6886
http://www.bls.gov/oco/pdf/ocos072.pdf


The fact is that numbers don't lie. <120,000 is your earning potential. You need not feel like you must invent a salary to justify what you feel is an inferior degree. Dentists are still needed though.

I remember asking the dental forum to post any link other than that one ADA link that everyone refers to but cant back up, that showed that dentists make more than 120,000. What was the response.....NOTHING!!! Nobody can prove it...And to the girl that said that the 120,000 figure was "old", sorry honey that figure is the most recent, most accurate fact we have.

And remember, over half of our physicians are in private practice too. However, you will never see a nice publication from the AMA about salaries, first b/c they are a PROFESSIONAL organization and are ABOVE THIS. Second, because the earning potential in private practice for physicians is LUDICROUS. So please, do not bring salary into the picture, you only make yourself look bad. There is no real comparision, just that invented by the ADA and some aspiring dentite who failed to get into med-school. Oh yes you will hear many dental students say that they had the "grades" to get into med school but hey, so did all the other medical students and they did NOT choose dentistry.

You obviously have nothing else better to do with your time than sit around and let posts from studentdoctor.net personally insult you. It is evident there are some insecurities going on in your mind that make you feel that you need to evaluate your own chosen career in that much detail over others. (this comment also applies to all the dentists out there telling physicians to "eat their hearts out"!)
There are many reasons why I chose dentistry as my career:
1) I enjoy the fact that I attended 4 years of dental school and now, I am free to practice and do not have 3-6 years of residency to complete
2) As of now, I am not an indentured servant of insurance companies
3) I have large amounts of time outside of work to enjoy family and friends
(My father is a physician and I have learned firsthand how very little time off is allowed when in private medical practice)

I, personally, do not care about earning $650,000 a year. If earning less than this and living a comfortable life with time for family, friends, and enjoyment is necessary, than this what I will choose. I couldn't be happier with what I'm doing and I know I do not hold an "inferior" degree, and I don't have to make myself feel better about my chosen career by insulting others...... because I have better things to do with my time............

 

[KY2007]

This has to be the most poorly written post I have ever seen. You make these sweeping generalizations. So now dentists make a million dollars huh? Funny, last time i checked the US labor department said $120,000, unless all that is a lie...Um and yeah radiologists and MANY other specialities make that kind of money, its no big surprise. If you want to verify the job offer, why dont you call, the number is right there, it is from a medical group offer after all. Extremes, right the offer is for 3 MONTHS of vacation with 650,000+++ a year so I'd say that is better. I guess next time you need medical help you better go see your dentist and not physician, since all we do is misdiagnose.


Look my point for posting this was only to make you feel what I felt when I read your original post. We dont have to regret that we chose the field we are in now when you say that MDs are eating their heart out. We all work very hard at what we do to have it disqualified by someone saying that its all for crap. I like what I do, you like what you all do and we all obviously are compensated well for our hard work, lets leave it at that. Believe me money is not the driving force in my life. But it sucks when people shove it in your face that you arent going to be making anything when the contrary it true.

It may be a poorly written post but at least I can read. If you go to the U.S. Department of Labors web page where they have the quote for dentists, read what it says. That quote is for SALARIED DENTISTS. Most dentists are not salaried dentists, they are private practice owners. Right under that quote it plainly states that private practice owners make more than the $120,000. Hence the ADA's average of $173,000 for general dentists. Not that I care because I did not get into this for the money but general dentists make more than family physicans, more than internal medicine, and more than pediatricians. I also know that medicines specialists make more money on average than dental specialties. Dental specialties do pretty good though. $220,000 per periodontics, $270,000 for orthodontics, $300,000 for pediatrics (about twice that of the MD counterpart), $360,000 for Oral and maxillofacial surgeons. If you don't believe me about the $1,000,000 than go to your schools medical library and pick up a copy of the Journal of the American Dental Association. In the back it has practices for sale. Some general dentists, by far the exception, do make this much money. However, it is not uncommon for oral and maxillofacial surgeons to come close to this type of money. I know two in Cincinnatti that make $700,000.

 

[dental2008]

who cares how much money dentist make, physicians...etc

Its all about what you like to do in life. Would I still go to dental school if the avg was 65k a year, probably. If it was 35k a year, probably not bec its not worth the time I have to invest to only make 35k a year

This arguement reminds me of: My penis is bigger than your penis. WHO CARES!!!

 

[TucsonDDS]

This arguement reminds me of: My penis is bigger than your penis. WHO CARES!!!

How big are you. Me personally, about average. My son on the other hand, maybe it seems abnormally large for someone so little.

 

[12YearOldKid]

Every time Steve Urkel has come into the dental forums it is too troll. He seems obsessed with putting those ***** dentists in their place. Why is he even reading the dental forum in the first place?

I think it's funny that in his comparison he insists that the dentists use the $120,000 figure given by the government, but he gets to use any source he wants. The very same report that says dentists average $120,000 says that radiologists average $180,000. I think we all know that both those figures underestimate the truth.

In any case, we should ignore the troll from here on out and he'll wander off.

 

[12YearOldKid]

This arguement reminds me of: My penis is bigger than your penis. WHO CARES!!!

Your wife. I know she tells you that it doesn't matter to her, but I promise... it does.

 

[TucsonDDS]

Your wife. I know she tells you that it doesn't matter to her, but I promise... it does.

Yeah I know, she always told me I was too big and just wanted a guy with a really little pecker so it wouldn't hurt as much.

 

[bouncy_ball]

same thing happened to me!! here's a pic of my scars:

they took my pronephros, put it on the black market in Thailand, and last week it washed on shore (out of nowhere)!! i immediately ate it so it could go back to its original place

this is the funniest thing I've read in a long time...