is medicine really as bad as they say?

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During the time I have spent on these forums, I have seen an enormous amount of talk about the downhill slope of medicine as a career, as well as many people that are trying to dissuade future students from even considering medical school. I have searched these forums and the web, and still cannot find anything that supports or rejects the status of the healthcare industry. So my question is, is it as bad as some say it is? Should undergraduate students even be considering admission into medical school? Why are there so many people that try to convince students to stay away from medicine? For every person that says it's not worth it, there is one who says it is. This is a very depressing topic, and I was hoping that some light could be shed on the reality of the subject, whether from current physicians or future docs. Thank you for your thoughts.
 
IMHO, life is what you make of it. Like you said there are ppl who say its not worth and other who believe it is. Ultimately YOU will have to decide, this is your life, not theirs.



to quote 311 "F**K the nay-sayers cause they don't mean a thing"
 
During the time I have spent on these forums, I have seen an enormous amount of talk about the downhill slope of medicine as a career, as well as many people that are trying to dissuade future students from even considering medical school. I have searched these forums and the web, and still cannot find anything that supports or rejects the status of the healthcare industry. So my question is, is it as bad as some say it is? Should undergraduate students even be considering admission into medical school? Why are there so many people that try to convince students to stay away from medicine? For every person that says it's not worth it, there is one who says it is. This is a very depressing topic, and I was hoping that some light could be shed on the reality of the subject, whether from current physicians or future docs. Thank you for your thoughts.


Good question, one that I have pondered myself. I can't really answer definitively (being a pre-med myself), but I can give you my perspective on the question. I think that any career is going to have people who hate it. I think that the reason that it is so surprising in medicine is that the status of "doctor" is so elevated, that most people can't imagine that the job would have some sucky parts.

Bottom line, look into all the aspects of medicine in general as well as the various specialties (there is quite a bit of flexibility in medicine, the job descriptions of different specialties varies widely). Look to see what kinds of things would you be willing to live with, and what would you be unwilling to live with.

Salaries will probably continue to drop a little, and there are some big changes on the horizon with respect to universal health care. However, whether those things are good or bad depend on who you talk to and their personal opinion. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer, it all depends on your personal preference.
 

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I'm a pre-med also, but I've always looked at it this way:

There are plenty of fields out there where people work really long hours, deal with lousy bosses, put up with unhappy and verbally abusive customers, have all sorts of constant stress, need lots of education to get jobs in the field, etc.

However, the vast majority of people in these professions are not making low-to-high 6 figure salaries.

Oh, and with medicine there's that nice feeling you get when you realize you might actually be doing something worthwhile all day rather than spending your time figuring out how best to screw over other people (think law and business).

Most of the people who whine up and down about medicine don't know how good they've actually got it. It's a lot worse out there in other professions than most docs seem to think.
 
On a more serious note, I agree with this:

There are plenty of fields out there where people work really long hours, deal with lousy bosses, put up with unhappy and verbally abusive customers, have all sorts of constant stress, need lots of education to get jobs in the field, etc.

However, the vast majority of people in these professions are not making low-to-high 6 figure salaries.

Most people in life hate their jobs to some degree, doctoring doesn't seem to be the exception.
 
During the time I have spent on these forums, I have seen an enormous amount of talk about the downhill slope of medicine as a career, as well as many people that are trying to dissuade future students from even considering medical school. I have searched these forums and the web, and still cannot find anything that supports or rejects the status of the healthcare industry. So my question is, is it as bad as some say it is? Should undergraduate students even be considering admission into medical school? Why are there so many people that try to convince students to stay away from medicine? For every person that says it's not worth it, there is one who says it is. This is a very depressing topic, and I was hoping that some light could be shed on the reality of the subject, whether from current physicians or future docs. Thank you for your thoughts.

This is also coming from a premed, but I personally think that a good deal of the negativity stems from the fact that many doctors have never been employed in another industry and have limited exposure to the quality of life in a career outside of medicine.

I think it's pretty easy to build up a pretty myopic view of what being a "doctor" is like, especially if you need to get through years of intense scholastic competition and accumulate enormous debt before you finally reach the goal. I can also imagine the disappointment that might ensue if the profession lets one down after all of that work.

All of a sudden, the grass everywhere looks greener, and with no frame of reference against which one can evaluate a career in medicine, being a doctor starts to feel like a rip off.

It's a price that I think some people pay for staying cloistered in academia for most of their early working years.
 
to quote 311 "F**K the nay-sayers cause they don't mean a thing"

Cause this is what style we bring, now it's morning but last night's on my mind there's something I need to get off my chest and no matter what may come to shine the dream will always be mine.
 
Excuse me while I temporarily hijack this thread...but, OP what in the world is your avatar supposed to be? A pair of scissors attacking a chick...I don't get it.
 
During the time I have spent on these forums, I have seen an enormous amount of talk about the downhill slope of medicine as a career, as well as many people that are trying to dissuade future students from even considering medical school.

Why are there so many people that try to convince students to stay away from medicine? For every person that says it's not worth it, there is one who says it is.

There's almost no point posting this here. You will be inundated by responses from pre-meds who will all say, "Well, I'm not in med school yet, but!...." and then blather on about prestige, lots of money, "doctors just like to whine," blah, blah, blah, blah.

The point of these "depressing" opinions is NOT to necessarily dissuade you from medical school. It's to let you know what you may be getting yourself into.

Medicine, like any other field, is a spectrum. There is a huge variety of people who are in that field - some of them are very happy with great balanced lives, and others are extremely miserable and wish that they'd gotten a job as a McDonald's manager or something. THERE IS NO WAY TO TELL WHICH PART OF THE SPECTRUM YOU WILL BE ON. You might be one of the happy ones, you might be one of the miserable ones.

The point of these depressing opinions is to make sure that you understand that there are NO guarantees of happiness (or unhappiness) in medicine. Are you still willing to go into medical school, despite the very real risk that you might be one of the miserable ones? Have you asked yourself, HONESTLY, what you are doing to minimize the chance that you will be miserable as a physician?

This is also coming from a premed, but I personally think that a good deal of the negativity stems from the fact that many doctors have never been employed in another industry and have limited exposure to the quality of life in a career outside of medicine.

Eh, maybe. Although not necessarily.

There are LOTS of "nontrads" who go to med school and HATE it. Even those who had fairly demanding careers in their previous lives. It all depends.

And I'd think that having a previous career would make some aspects of med school harder. Having had a salary before I came to med school, the lack of a monthly check was kind of a shock for a while.
 
Medicine, like any other field, is a spectrum. There is a huge variety of people who are in that field - some of them are very happy with great balanced lives, and others are extremely miserable and wish that they'd gotten a job as a McDonald's manager or something. THERE IS NO WAY TO TELL WHICH PART OF THE SPECTRUM YOU WILL BE ON. You might be one of the happy ones, you might be one of the miserable ones.

The point that this "clueless" pre-med is trying to make here is that while a healthy portion of docs may claim to be "miserable", there are many other professions where an even healthier portion of the proletariat claims to be "miserable".

For instance, I read a study recently about job satisfaction among lawyers. Suffice it to say I was surprised when I read that a full 85% of JD respondents claimed they wanted to be doing something else. Likewise, virtually every engineer I've encountered over the last few years claims to absolutely hate his/her job. Judging from the docs I've personally spoken to, I suspect that a far larger portion of docs actually enjoy their jobs than in some of these other professions. The difference with medicine seems to be that the disgruntled portion of practitioners is far more vocal than it is in almost any other profession. Consequently, all you ever hear is an endless stream of whining about how much medicine totally sucks without the alternative viewpoint getting much airtime.
 
There's almost no point posting this here. You will be inundated by responses from pre-meds who will all say, "Well, I'm not in med school yet, but!...." and then blather on about prestige, lots of money, "doctors just like to whine," blah, blah, blah, blah.

The point of these "depressing" opinions is NOT to necessarily dissuade you from medical school. It's to let you know what you may be getting yourself into.

Medicine, like any other field, is a spectrum. There is a huge variety of people who are in that field - some of them are very happy with great balanced lives, and others are extremely miserable and wish that they'd gotten a job as a McDonald's manager or something. THERE IS NO WAY TO TELL WHICH PART OF THE SPECTRUM YOU WILL BE ON. You might be one of the happy ones, you might be one of the miserable ones.

The point of these depressing opinions is to make sure that you understand that there are NO guarantees of happiness (or unhappiness) in medicine. Are you still willing to go into medical school, despite the very real risk that you might be one of the miserable ones? Have you asked yourself, HONESTLY, what you are doing to minimize the chance that you will be miserable as a physician?



Eh, maybe. Although not necessarily.

There are LOTS of "nontrads" who go to med school and HATE it. Even those who had fairly demanding careers in their previous lives. It all depends.

And I'd think that having a previous career would make some aspects of med school harder. Having had a salary before I came to med school, the lack of a monthly check was kind of a shock for a while.

I'll echo some of what smq said. And I'm coming from a perspective of having had a prior career before medicine. As a premed you often think you know more than you do. And you try to draw conclusions which aren't always based on the most grounded of facts. People aren't trying to dissuade you from going into medicine as much as telling you that medicine isn't what you probably think it is as a premed. You are hearing from folks who probably were just as wide eyed and optimistic as you a few years back, but ended up with a big plate full of something they were not expecting at all. So rather than all these posts of "I'm just a premed, but I think...", you probably should heed their warnings. Don't necessarily jump ship because of them, and don't downplay them as malcontents, but use this as a sense that maybe there's something around the bend that's not quite as smooth sailing. Assume that this poster could be you in a few years -- it very well could be.

Medicine is a great career for some people, and an awful career for others. The problem is that members of both of these groups find their way into med school each year. Adcoms do their best to try and weed down the latter group by asking pointed questions about "why medicine", etc. But inevitably you'll see the folks on SDN who lie about this but are still doing this path for all the wrong reasons. And yes there are many wrong reasons to go into medicine. First, the money. Money is quite good in medicine, but nothing like the net people in prior generations used to earn, and nothing like you might find on some of the jobsearch webs (cejka, etc). That's the kind of money you won't get anymore. Medicine is the only profession that has seen it's salaries decline against inflation over the past decade. It has also seen many of it's profitable activities made into unprofitable ones based on insurance company reimbursements. Some specialties have found the need to work longer and longer hours each year to earn approximately the same money they earned in prior years. So hours are up and salary is down. Still nice income, but you are going to work harder for less. So you are foolish if you are on this path for the money. It's too many years path for an income that isn't what it once was.

Next, the debt. This is the real reason doctors today aren't doing as well as prior generations. It's very difficult to do well when you are saddled with six digit debt coming out of residency. there are folks with a quarter of a million in debt, which is a lot more than most people can service without it making a dent in their lifestyle.

Next, the paperwork. Premeds don't get how much documentation is involved. You will be doing a ton of scut throughout your career. This can take up a huge part of your day. Writing daily progress notes, dictating discharge summaries, assorted other reporting requirements for billing. The amount of time you actually spend with patients isn't as great as it probably once was. This is now a business, and you are a paper pusher. Some premeds had a very different idea of what medicine was all about.

Rounding -- many premeds have a very different idea of what this involves. They don't appreciate how tedious it might be to walk around the hospital for 5+ hours, going from room to room presenting the patients to someone, who is going to pop his head in, and then go write a note. Some specialties are all about the rounding.

Finally, the whole "helping people" thing. You will get very jaded when the only real helping you often find yourself doing is giving a drug seeker the IV dilaudid that was the real reason he faked a chest pain and got admitted. It's easy to get jaded in medicine because you will see a ton of people coming to the doctor for reasons other than illness, be it drug seeking, or looking for that "get out of work" note, or trying to bilk an insurance company. Some are legit, but it's easy to get jaded by the human condition.

So you have to know what you are getting into, and know yourself, and know that this isn't going to be the daily cake and icecream some premeds seem to think. You will work long hours, be and feel underpaid, have to deal with a lot of paper, a lot of painful rounding, a lot of undesirable patients. For some, the negatives outweigh the positives. For others, those few positives in the day keep you going. But only you know which type of person you are. And the real reasons you are on this path. Which isn't for everyone.
 
The point that this "clueless" pre-med is trying to make here is that while a healthy portion of docs may claim to be "miserable", there are many other professions where an even healthier portion of the proletariat claims to be "miserable".

It's not that the people posting this comments are "clueless" pre-meds. But, honestly, if you have NEVER experienced life as a physician (or even its poor reflection, life as a student on rotations), how can you honestly dismiss all those negative comments as just "whining"?

I have never experienced combat. Does that mean that if I dismiss a soldier's description of war as "hell," that my opinion is just as valid as his? No - his experience of what it's like to be a soldier in a warzone far outweighs any claims that I can pretend that "it's not as bad as they say; they're just whining."

Consequently, all you ever hear is an endless stream of whining about how much medicine totally sucks without the alternative viewpoint getting much airtime.

I would contest this.

With the plethora of medically-related shows like Grey's Anatomy, House, and ER on the air, MOST people have seen the "alternative view." For these shows, a tedious surgical procedure takes no more than 8 minutes, a "busy call night" means (more often than not) getting "busy" in the call room 🙄, and they arrive at work when the sun is shining. The people on these shows don't get sued, and the only reason they are ever depicted doing paperwork is as a setup for some flirtatious dialogue with an attractive co-resident or attending.

Even the medical reality shows on Discovery Health eliminate the tedium that marks most of medicine. (It's very different to have a commentator say, "After 14 hours of surgery," and actually STANDING there for those 14 hours of surgery!) Almost all of their featured patients are pleasant and have good outcomes. Again, the shows tend to fast forward through the months and months of recuperation in an ICU, where the honking sounds of disconnected ventilators plague you.

People aren't trying to dissuade you from going into medicine as much as telling you that medicine isn't what you probably think it is as a premed. You are hearing from folks who probably were just as wide eyed and optimistic as you a few years back, but ended up with a big plate full of something they were not expecting at all. So rather than all these posts of "I'm just a premed, but I think...", you probably should heed their warnings. Don't necessarily jump ship because of them, and don't downplay them as malcontents, but use this as a sense that maybe there's something around the bend that's not quite as smooth sailing. Assume that this poster could be you in a few years -- it very well could be.

Law2Doc - that is an awesome post. Every person who walks into college and signs up to be a pre-med major should get a copy of it. 👍
 
Is medicine as bad as they say? Not for me. It's pretty cool.

But listen to L2D and smq. They're preaching the truth.
 
Gotta love the pre-med posts in here. Yeah, man that "volunteer experience" TOTALLY opened your eyes, huh?
 
Thanks for all the input everyone! It's good to hear a little from an objective point of view. And to TheMagicCookie, it's just a chick being cut in half by scissors, I thought it was funny.
 
Law2Doc, and others who are farther along than us premeds... how accurate a picture of medicine do you think the "Hopkins" documentary depicts? It was aired last summer (2008).
 
I'll echo some of what smq said. And I'm coming from a perspective of having had a prior career before medicine. As a premed you often think you know more than you do. And you try to draw conclusions which aren't always based on the most grounded of facts. People aren't trying to dissuade you from going into medicine as much as telling you that medicine isn't what you probably think it is as a premed. You are hearing from folks who probably were just as wide eyed and optimistic as you a few years back, but ended up with a big plate full of something they were not expecting at all. So rather than all these posts of "I'm just a premed, but I think...", you probably should heed their warnings. Don't necessarily jump ship because of them, and don't downplay them as malcontents, but use this as a sense that maybe there's something around the bend that's not quite as smooth sailing. Assume that this poster could be you in a few years -- it very well could be.

Medicine is a great career for some people, and an awful career for others. The problem is that members of both of these groups find their way into med school each year. Adcoms do their best to try and weed down the latter group by asking pointed questions about "why medicine", etc. But inevitably you'll see the folks on SDN who lie about this but are still doing this path for all the wrong reasons. And yes there are many wrong reasons to go into medicine. First, the money. Money is quite good in medicine, but nothing like the net people in prior generations used to earn, and nothing like you might find on some of the jobsearch webs (cejka, etc). That's the kind of money you won't get anymore. Medicine is the only profession that has seen it's salaries decline against inflation over the past decade. It has also seen many of it's profitable activities made into unprofitable ones based on insurance company reimbursements. Some specialties have found the need to work longer and longer hours each year to earn approximately the same money they earned in prior years. So hours are up and salary is down. Still nice income, but you are going to work harder for less. So you are foolish if you are on this path for the money. It's too many years path for an income that isn't what it once was.

Next, the debt. This is the real reason doctors today aren't doing as well as prior generations. It's very difficult to do well when you are saddled with six digit debt coming out of residency. there are folks with a quarter of a million in debt, which is a lot more than most people can service without it making a dent in their lifestyle.

Next, the paperwork. Premeds don't get how much documentation is involved. You will be doing a ton of scut throughout your career. This can take up a huge part of your day. Writing daily progress notes, dictating discharge summaries, assorted other reporting requirements for billing. The amount of time you actually spend with patients isn't as great as it probably once was. This is now a business, and you are a paper pusher. Some premeds had a very different idea of what medicine was all about.

Rounding -- many premeds have a very different idea of what this involves. They don't appreciate how tedious it might be to walk around the hospital for 5+ hours, going from room to room presenting the patients to someone, who is going to pop his head in, and then go write a note. Some specialties are all about the rounding.

Finally, the whole "helping people" thing. You will get very jaded when the only real helping you often find yourself doing is giving a drug seeker the IV dilaudid that was the real reason he faked a chest pain and got admitted. It's easy to get jaded in medicine because you will see a ton of people coming to the doctor for reasons other than illness, be it drug seeking, or looking for that "get out of work" note, or trying to bilk an insurance company. Some are legit, but it's easy to get jaded by the human condition.

So you have to know what you are getting into, and know yourself, and know that this isn't going to be the daily cake and icecream some premeds seem to think. You will work long hours, be and feel underpaid, have to deal with a lot of paper, a lot of painful rounding, a lot of undesirable patients. For some, the negatives outweigh the positives. For others, those few positives in the day keep you going. But only you know which type of person you are. And the real reasons you are on this path. Which isn't for everyone.

You're missing my point.

Many other people in many other professions work long hours, feel (and are) underpaid, have to deal with a lot of paper and bureaucratic nonsense, have to carry out extremely tedious and unpleasant tasks on a regular basis, must deal with a lot of undesirable and nasty customers, etc.

Frankly, it's the height of arrogance when doctors think they're the only set of people in the world who deal with work issues such as these. It also bothers me a lot when I keep hearing the old "we docs aren't doing as well as we used to" argument. Hello? Even the "poorest" docs are making far more than most any engineers, MBAs, etc out there. It is an absolute myth when people around here state that somebody can just "go the business or law route" and automatically make loads more money then most any doctor. The average pay of MBA and/or JD graduates is markedly lower than even that of primary care physicians. (There are boatloads of stats out there backing this up, by the way.) But I'm not here for the money; I'm not interested in getting rich as a physician. I'm interested in living comfortably while doing something that I think I might enjoy doing all day.

I'd go on longer here but I have other things to do. Long story short: there are plenty of people out there working just as hard as any physician while getting paid some (small) fraction of a doctor's income. The single disadvantaged mother working 3 jobs to put food on the table is working just as hard as any doc (and undergoing loads more stress to boot). She's never going to make anything resembling a doctor's income no matter how hard she works. Period.

So how are doctors at all "not well off"?

(PS: I'm curious. Why, did you switch from being a lawyer to being a doctor? What was it about law that was so unappealing?)
 
During the time I have spent on these forums, I have seen an enormous amount of talk about the downhill slope of medicine as a career, as well as many people that are trying to dissuade future students from even considering medical school. I have searched these forums and the web, and still cannot find anything that supports or rejects the status of the healthcare industry. So my question is, is it as bad as some say it is? Should undergraduate students even be considering admission into medical school? Why are there so many people that try to convince students to stay away from medicine? For every person that says it's not worth it, there is one who says it is. This is a very depressing topic, and I was hoping that some light could be shed on the reality of the subject, whether from current physicians or future docs. Thank you for your thoughts.

go on any internet forum for any profession and you will find the same attitude. It's not the profession, it's the fact that the internet attracts all the nutjobs and disgruntled employees who are afraid to mouth off in the real world. The happy people in the jobs are busy being happy and not surfing the web and posting flamers.
 
Does anyone like to go to work? Seriously, guys....it almost sounds is if, assuming you had the option, it might be better to go into prostitution instead of actually getting a career.

After all, prostitution might really suck, I'm sure 85% of prostitutes hate their jobs, but at least you get paid well and know where you stand...
 
Well, in college I also considered myself to be "premed" although I never joined any premed clubs or related organizations. I also didn't have a premed advisor, but I was taking the courses I needed to apply and challenge the MCAT. However, I was also going to school at night (commuting to a nearby community college) and taking the coursework needed to become a paramedic. In December 2003, I graduated with a B.S. from my "real school" and the paramedic credentials from the comm. coll. After spending a lot of time with medical students and residents during my clinical rotations in the same departments I decided that medical school wasn't a path I wanted to consider at the time. Most of the residents told me that if given the chance they wouldn't redo what they had done. Over the last couple of months I've been reconsidering, but now I'm soon to be 27 years old and in a career that I seriously enjoy. I'm not sure I would want to give this up and sacrafice it all, but then again I'm here tonight having just joined this forum.
 
You're missing my point.

Many other people in many other professions work long hours, feel (and are) underpaid, have to deal with a lot of paper and bureaucratic nonsense, have to carry out extremely tedious and unpleasant tasks on a regular basis, must deal with a lot of undesirable and nasty customers, etc.

I'd go on longer here but I have other things to do. Long story short: there are plenty of people out there working just as hard as any physician while getting paid some (small) fraction of a doctor's income. The single disadvantaged mother working 3 jobs to put food on the table is working just as hard as any doc (and undergoing loads more stress to boot). She's never going to make anything resembling a doctor's income no matter how hard she works. Period.

🙄🙄

And you are STILL missing our point. Which is not that medicine is the worst job EVER, or that doctors are wretchedly poor, or anything like that.

It is that medicine is NOT the glamorous job that paves your way to a comfortable, fun, and wealthy lifestyle that everyone seems to think it is. That's all. Obviously, we're better off than the single mom working multiple jobs - most people are! No one is saying that doctors have it worse than anyone else out there, but it's just not as glamorous as you think. There ARE physicians out there who are basically living paycheck-to-paycheck, if you can believe that. Not everyone is making a comfortable salary, and it's not always as fun a job as everyone thinks it is.

Don't get me wrong - I actually don't mind medicine, and like large parts of it. But some days (like the one where my favorite patient died in the ICU, or the ones where you have to tell patients that they are dying and that there is no hope) make me wish I'd done something else. 🙁
 
Does anyone like to go to work? Seriously, guys....it almost sounds is if, assuming you had the option, it might be better to go into prostitution instead of actually getting a career.

After all, prostitution might really suck, I'm sure 85% of prostitutes hate their jobs, but at least you get paid well and know where you stand...

Hey, Billie Piper seems to like it.
 
Doctors like to bitch and whine for dramatic effect. My dad has worked 50-60 hour weeks for the past 20 years in a factory and he earns about $40k a year. One of my friends works 60 hours a week in a convenience store for minimum wage. You guys want to bitch about having to work 80 hours/week for $40,000 a year for about a half dozen years at the most? Try doing it for two decades, without the eventual jump to $150-250k/year+ (not to mention no 4 weeks of vacation, nearly 100% job security, etc). And I have to break it to you, but being yelled at by abusive superiors isn't unique to medicine. So quit whining like a bunch of little girls. Yeah, working 80 hours/week+ isn't a cake walk (in fact, I'm actually quite scared of it), and $200k in student loans sucks, but I'm sure you'll make up for it SOME HOW. 🙄
 
It's these topics that always make me say to myself "Wow, what the hell am I doing this for?!" Yet, every day I continue on the path to medicine. I'm not sure what that means.
 
No offense, but as a medical student you have as much place in talking about life as a doctor as a pre-med has in talking about life as a medical student.

Maybe.

But when you've been coming to work at the same time as the attendings and the residents, leaving at the same time as the attendings and the residents, and doing (somewhat) similar work to what the attendings and residents are doing, then I think I have a better idea of what it's like to be a physician than a senior in college does.

Your post just drove home the fact that I WILL be a physician in 4 months.... 😱

My dad has worked 50-60 hour weeks for the past 20 years in a factory and he earns about $40k a year. One of my friends works 60 hours a week in a convenience store for minimum wage. You guys want to bitch about having to work 80 hours/week for $40,000 a year for about a half dozen years at the most? Try doing it for two decades, without the eventual jump to $150-250k/year+ (not to mention no 4 weeks of vacation, nearly 100% job security, etc). And I have to break it to you, but being yelled at by abusive superiors isn't unique to medicine. So quit whining like a bunch of little girls. Yeah, working 80 hours/week+ isn't a cake walk (in fact, I'm actually quite scared of it), and $200k in student loans sucks, but I'm sure you'll make up for it SOME HOW. 🙄

Actually (and I'm not saying this for dramatic effect), there are days when I think that working in a factory and earning $40K a year is preferable. Free weekends, no yearly in-service exams, no overnight call, being able to sleep every night, and (most importantly) no people threatening to sue you if their child doesn't turn out to be the next Tiger Woods or the next Mozart or something. Not having to watch people die, not having to worry that a momentary lapse in vigilance will kill someone, etc.

Again, no one is saying that medicine sucks, or that no one should go into it, or that it's the worst job in the world. Just be aware of the reality of what it's like before you do it. There are a lot of people who quit medicine (either voluntarily, or are forced out) - it's not a perfect fit for everyone. That's all anyone is saying.
 
Again, no one is saying that medicine sucks, or that no one should go into it, or that it's the worst job in the world. Just be aware of the reality of what it's like before you do it...

great input, smq, thanks.

i think sometimes people also lose sight of the fact that medicine is exactly what you said: a profession, or more simply, a "job". and it's not a perfect, easy, or glorious one either. but some people find it hugely rewarding, and others are miserable or disappointed with it.

i think when it comes decision time, you just have to decide if "the doctor job" is a better fit for you than any other job out there.
 
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