hey ya all, just wondering is Value MD runs by Ross's ppl?. i just researched that forum(value md) it is full of support to one school (ross). any one talks bad about Ross will be warned, and then banned, and lately they were banning people without warning, and blocking some threads(against Ross). i am not trying to bash any one, but just do the research your self and see what i am talkinig about. I have a friend (spitzer) who told me that some of his messages were immediatly deleted,specially those who raise serious issues about Ross university and he was not able to log in for over a month ( spitzer was never warned or banned, but he was not able to log in immediatly after a thread about texas liscencing issues and that spitzer was trying to contact this lady who has to do with liscencing issues, this specific thread and other ones were blocked). Go to value md and check.
Is value md part of Ross University?
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actually, its not.
Its run by a recent grad of Ross.
The moderator is in his 4th semester.
There is a Ross official who frequents the board to try and help answer questions.
But Ross Univ. is not affiliated with that board at all.
And to my knowledge, they only warn and ban if you do something outrageous. No different than SDN in this manner.
Ross and other caribbean schools get a lot of crap from people so there is more of a need for moderation.
Anyways, I just wanted to put this in before an SDN moderator locks this thread up probably.
I think they have a rule against talking about other message boards.
Anyways, take what you hear about Ross and other medical school with a grain of salt. A lot of people come onto the internet to whine and complain. Especially when it concerns Ross.
Its run by a recent grad of Ross.
The moderator is in his 4th semester.
There is a Ross official who frequents the board to try and help answer questions.
But Ross Univ. is not affiliated with that board at all.
And to my knowledge, they only warn and ban if you do something outrageous. No different than SDN in this manner.
Ross and other caribbean schools get a lot of crap from people so there is more of a need for moderation.
Anyways, I just wanted to put this in before an SDN moderator locks this thread up probably.
I think they have a rule against talking about other message boards.
Anyways, take what you hear about Ross and other medical school with a grain of salt. A lot of people come onto the internet to whine and complain. Especially when it concerns Ross.
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valueMD has an inherit conflict of interest in the way it is organized. The forums are organized by school and they chose students at each school to be a moderator for their respective forums. The moderators often act as advocates for their school (which is understandable); however, their actions as moderator are always subject to question because of the affiliation with the school. Because of the blurred roles, it is sometimes unclear whether moderators represent the interests of valueMD, the school, or whether these are related. To my knowledge, valueMD does not have any affiliation with any of the schools -- but I can see how it would appear that way because of the way in which the forums and moderators are organized.
In practice, it isn't much of a problem because the moderators do a good job and the instances of moderator intervention are far and few between. However, I think it would be wise for them to change the moderator structure to one that avoids the appearance of conflict of interest.
SDN doesn't suffer from this problem because the forums are not organized by school.
In practice, it isn't much of a problem because the moderators do a good job and the instances of moderator intervention are far and few between. However, I think it would be wise for them to change the moderator structure to one that avoids the appearance of conflict of interest.
SDN doesn't suffer from this problem because the forums are not organized by school.
How are you Rossloss?..I mean Lenin. Ahem....How clever.. choosing a different name..that is not at all transparent. To those of you who do not know what I am talking about our friend Lenin here has been posting on the value md site as "rossloss". His posts make for a good education on OCD. He is fixated on negating anything positive about Ross. For a med student you sure do alot of "research" on other peoples med. schools, and forums which will not help you badmouth particular institutions. What is your real motivation? Nice conspiracy theory by the way!🙂
Is that your way of killing the messenger? I see this accusation going on for some time. Any one who talks bad about Ross will be referred to some one else, and you guys were successful so far, but remember, there is a new sherriff in town( i am quoting comedian martin Lawrence). So am asking all the readers out there do not let Ross control Value MD, and now you trying to do the same.... here at SDN. remeber Ross can not buy SDN.,and you are not going to shift ppl focus from the issue i am trying to raise. So the issue remains the same. Is Value MD part of Ross University?????. I don't know who is Ross loss and i don't know what you 're talking about and i do not care to know. But i can tell this though. You part of the Ross team therefore you no good to any thing except for your corrupted school. go away.
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Hmmm...there's no RULE per se. You can talk all you want about other message boards.
Our "problem"( in the past ) with threads about ValueMD was because they were posted by the Moderators/Admins /frequent users of the site in what appeared to be an attempt to woo SDN users away from our site. Not illegal, immoral or even unethical mind you, but unprofessional and distasteful, IMHO. Really not different than going into someone else's house, turning up your nose at their SO's cooking and then taking them out somewhere else for dinner.
Thus, our complaints were centered around this behavior, not specifically talking about other boards.
Look Lenin....I have no problem with objective reasoning and informed decision making. what I cannot suffer however are those who present an extreme point of view and back it up with conjecture and heresay. Are you suggesting that the close to 4,000 physicians Ross has in the U.S are incompetent. Interestingly, they have not been sued or called for disciplinary action nearly as often as ..oh lets say graduates from Meharry, or Howard. You go to Howard right?....thats cool...I would be delighted to lend you my notes on biochemistry or physiology anyday good man. By the way seeing as how you don't employ spellcheck let me help you out a little....."Maybe" is one word, not two, its "oppresion" not opresion. If you are trying to demean someone you would write "you are no good", not "you no good". This one might come in useful when you are trying to explain to a patient that they are sick ( as opposed to "Me doctor, you patient, you sick"). I could carry on correcting your disastrous sleu of spelling errors...but then that would be childish...almost akin to trying to knock someones medical education choice based on...well nothing really. If you do decide to leave Howard and come to Ross I would love to help you out with all of this...you seem a little insecure, or bent out of shape, or something? I really do wish you the best. Now remember to study hard for those USMLE's. I hear they are quite challenging.😉
By the way that is 'messenger' not messanger. And with the new sherriff in town comment...did you mean that you were "quoting" Martin Lawrence. 'Coding' is a term used in genetics..ie. a codon codes for an amino acid. Howard does offer a module in genetics right?? By the way I now understand why you could not go to Ross. You would have to pass a TOEFL.....hehehehehehehe
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Mr. irisheyes certainly have a very poor self esteem and sense of insecurity. No matter how hard you try to belittle Meharry and Howard; one fact seems to be omitted. They are fully accredited medical school something you can NEVER claim for Ross. Meharry and Howard graduates are basically guaranteed a residency in the US. You should really gather and channel your energy into a more academic endeavor like Pathology. Stop worrying about others and concern yourself with yourself. All the wining and sulking won?t do you any good. So you better make sure that you perform well on Step one and get those glamorous letters of recommendations. I happen to know a student at Ross (female) who had a difficult time applying in the states so basically did what most US rejects do and apply to Ross. Suffice to say that she just failed her USMLE Step one (which really is a tough test when you have lousy lecture notes, organization and professors) after attending Ross (she began in the Spring semester which I believe starts in January). So good luck in passing step one since according to First Aid only 65 percent of international students pass on their first try and 36 percent pass on the subsequent try. So stay focus!
First of all, english is not my first language. Secondly, I am comminicating with you in your own language. Thirdly, the mistake you pointed out are mainly due to the fact that i don't have the time to worry about spelling.It just seems to me that you are not a serious individual, and from now on am not going to respond to your silly posts. I think you are a typical loser. please do not respond. thank you.
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Funny how you can?t refute the evidence; what?s the matter, you have no substance? That?s it. You are obviously going through an episode of regression (in case you weren?t taught that at Ross, it?s a form of IMMATURE defense mechanism, my dear chap). I give you references and stats and what do you come back with? Garbage! Don?t give me your diatribe, save it for someone who cares. Learn some mature defense mechanisms and concern yourself with your studies since you are at Ross my dear apprentice. For your information, I do not attend Howard but would go there any day over Ross. Oh by the way, learn some bedside matters if you ever pass step one (65 percent for international students like yourself). Enjoy life, check out the Island since you CHOSE to attend Ross over the 126 US medical schools.
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One note: Ross pass rates are over 90% for those who take the exam, not the 65% ave. for IMGs. Yada yada, how many don't reach the exam, why & what does that mean, and all that, but just wanted to point out your stat is over-generalized.
I don't refute your evidence my dear child because the evidence ( as acknowledged by pitman) speaks for itself. I make light of your spelling as it is more slightly more humorous than the particular brand of zealous bigotry you relish so lavishly. I applaud you for your effort to discredit Ross. I hope you succeed so one day ages hence, while I am moping floors in a smoky, puke-ridden bar....I will have the pleasure of having bantered with the genius who kept me out of a lucrative position as an anesthesiologist.I can see the headlines now.....😉
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One reason that ValueMd may seem so ROSS biased is the fact that being organized by school makes it easier to go for info on Ross if you just want info on Ross. Because it is easier many current Ross students and as was mentioned, even one member of the administration, do take their time to answer prospective students questions and concerns. (As some of us continue to try and do so here) However there are much fewer of us probably because there is alot of non Ross stuff to filter through. With this setup involved on both boards in reguared to Ross very few people come to ValueMD (still a few do)to post nonsense complaints unlike the people above. I imagine this is because they do get ganged up on imediately by people who know the truth about Ross including the moderater who does a wonderful job and is a 4th semester student at Ross I believe. He does not ban people for saying negative things as is obvious by going to ValueMD and doing a search for posts from the now infamous RossLoss. You will find MANY very negative Ross posts and he still is posting now. That being said the forumn is filled with legitimate discussion about real problems and issues with the school and most of us don't lie about these to prospective students. What is going on above is an argument more about spelling and grammer then about Ross involving as best I know until my post NOBODY who has been to Ross yet (Sorry IE I know your tryin but these fights only make Ross look bad in the end) So if anyone here has legitimate concerns about Ross PM me and I will be happy to talk to you about them as I am a current Ross 3rd year. Otherwise let's drop this thread of flaming each others schools. Yes Howard and Meharry have problems as does Ross and all medical schools for that matter. Yes Howard and Meharry are LCME accredited and Ross is not and this may make a difference in the eyes of some program directors. However as a Ross student who knows MANY other Ross students let me say this is due to geography and politics NOT education. Also your one studen who did not pass step one and it sounds like was in my 1st semester is not proof of anything. Ross never claimed a 100 percent pass rate and I have friends who fall in the 8 or so percent who don't pass first time. It's sad and there really is no good explanation I can give you other then rough test on a rough day as they are smart people and learned the material at Ross. That being said even Harvard Med students have failed first time so one student failing tells you nothing about a school. Pitman brought up the point of what happens to those who don't make it through to take the test on time or at all. That is a good concern about Ross. Quick and dirty though. Ross let's in a good number of people just not capable of a medical curriculum let alone an accelerated one done so far from their comfort zone of home. As such people fail and Ross is not a diploma mill so they either struggle through until they learn the material and pass OR transfer OR drop out and hit the message boards 🙂 MOST of my classmates (Jan 01 start) I can tell you are in clinicals now and those that aren't are at least past the basic sciences and studying for Step One.
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I was in your shoes 2 years back and I remember how passionately I wanted to argue with the HATERS that I was making the right decision. I can tell you in hind sight that it is never worth argueing or fighting with them as they allways keep coming back at you with more and more BS. You can't counter BS with logic and truth so it's better to stay calm and just tell the truth whenever they acctually say a lie instead of the normal non specific crap like Lenin hear. Or just go a head and throw your computer out the window cause they will drive ya bonkers if ya let them 
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that site is run by dictators, worse than saddam!
those dictators keep deleting messages that they don't like to read. And those censors made up rules that they don't follow themselves!
Here is what I found on this site: I am really shocked!
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/6741
> 1. As we've already explained, our policy is being
> followed.
yes, yes, you (the chinese government) followed your own laws, therefore, it is very justified to kill the students.
> 2. As stated in our policy:
>
> "Any user can report a post to a moderator for
> review. All reports
> remain anonymous to the users. "
And that is what the chinese government in 1989. They wanted to protect innocent anonymous citizens who don't like student "democratic" movements.
> past. As a matter of fact, if it wasn't for the
> Doc, you'd have
> probably been banned a long time ago.
yes, yes, if it was not Doc (The chinese leaders), I (the chinese students) would have been Killed (banned) long time ago.
> 3. We once again stress that it wasn't the content
> of your posts
> which resulted in your ban, it was your refusal to
> comply with or
> acknowledge the user agreement which is mandatory to
> have permission
> to post on the site.
Yes, yes, I (the chinese students) have citizen rights to protest, however, I (the chinese students) did not follow the rules on how. Therefore, you (the Chinese government) decided to kill.
like I said it before, even i "refused" to follow the rules, I kept posting "1+1=2" on those forums, would I be banned immediatly?! Very unlikely. At the most, I would just get another warning. It is very obvious that my contents upset the older moderators, therefore, they banned me.
Just like how the older Chinese leaders banned or killed the Chinese students due to their radical views.
> You were told how to comply
> and given an
> opportunity to do so, and even told that you might
> be banned if you
> weren't willing to comply.
yes, you (the chinese government) told me (the chinese students) to stop protesting on the public square, (post messages in the forum).
>Since you didn't comply,
> your account was
> brought under review to be banned.
I (the chinese students) did not leave the square, stop protesting (stop posting messages). therefore you (the chinese government) banned me (killed the students) for not following "rules."
> 4. Some Moderator actions may require further
> approval, such as
> banning or permanent removal of posts. This further
> approval can be
> sought by a panel of objective Moderators from
> different forums who
> review the case presented to them and then place
> their votes
> accordingly. In your case, they voted to have your
> account banned.
yes, the moderators (all the Chinese leaders) decided that I (the chinese students) did not follow the rules (laws of China), therefore, the moderators (the chinese leaders) decided to ban (kill) me (the chinese students.)
> So to clarify, the Doc did not ban you, he simply
> allowed your case to
> be reviewed by the Moderators. The Moderators as a
> whole decided the
> fate of your account.
yes, to clarify that, the moderators (chinese leaders) as a whole decided to ban me (kill the Chinese students).
> 5. It's not wrong to post messages about "the dark
> side of the US",
> but these types of discussions are more
> appropriately discussed in the
> Relaxing Lounge.
exactly, it is not wrong to protest about "the dark side of China, but the types of protests by the chinese students are not suitable for that particular square (the forum that you have).
So in the end, you realize that what you did is exactly the same thing that the Chinese government did in 1989. I hope that you can spread the words, you and the chinese government in 1989 were all doing the right things!
At least now, you understand that China already had Democracy in 1989.
those dictators keep deleting messages that they don't like to read. And those censors made up rules that they don't follow themselves!
Here is what I found on this site: I am really shocked!
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/6741
> 1. As we've already explained, our policy is being
> followed.
yes, yes, you (the chinese government) followed your own laws, therefore, it is very justified to kill the students.
> 2. As stated in our policy:
>
> "Any user can report a post to a moderator for
> review. All reports
> remain anonymous to the users. "
And that is what the chinese government in 1989. They wanted to protect innocent anonymous citizens who don't like student "democratic" movements.
> past. As a matter of fact, if it wasn't for the
> Doc, you'd have
> probably been banned a long time ago.
yes, yes, if it was not Doc (The chinese leaders), I (the chinese students) would have been Killed (banned) long time ago.
> 3. We once again stress that it wasn't the content
> of your posts
> which resulted in your ban, it was your refusal to
> comply with or
> acknowledge the user agreement which is mandatory to
> have permission
> to post on the site.
Yes, yes, I (the chinese students) have citizen rights to protest, however, I (the chinese students) did not follow the rules on how. Therefore, you (the Chinese government) decided to kill.
like I said it before, even i "refused" to follow the rules, I kept posting "1+1=2" on those forums, would I be banned immediatly?! Very unlikely. At the most, I would just get another warning. It is very obvious that my contents upset the older moderators, therefore, they banned me.
Just like how the older Chinese leaders banned or killed the Chinese students due to their radical views.
> You were told how to comply
> and given an
> opportunity to do so, and even told that you might
> be banned if you
> weren't willing to comply.
yes, you (the chinese government) told me (the chinese students) to stop protesting on the public square, (post messages in the forum).
>Since you didn't comply,
> your account was
> brought under review to be banned.
I (the chinese students) did not leave the square, stop protesting (stop posting messages). therefore you (the chinese government) banned me (killed the students) for not following "rules."
> 4. Some Moderator actions may require further
> approval, such as
> banning or permanent removal of posts. This further
> approval can be
> sought by a panel of objective Moderators from
> different forums who
> review the case presented to them and then place
> their votes
> accordingly. In your case, they voted to have your
> account banned.
yes, the moderators (all the Chinese leaders) decided that I (the chinese students) did not follow the rules (laws of China), therefore, the moderators (the chinese leaders) decided to ban (kill) me (the chinese students.)
> So to clarify, the Doc did not ban you, he simply
> allowed your case to
> be reviewed by the Moderators. The Moderators as a
> whole decided the
> fate of your account.
yes, to clarify that, the moderators (chinese leaders) as a whole decided to ban me (kill the Chinese students).
> 5. It's not wrong to post messages about "the dark
> side of the US",
> but these types of discussions are more
> appropriately discussed in the
> Relaxing Lounge.
exactly, it is not wrong to protest about "the dark side of China, but the types of protests by the chinese students are not suitable for that particular square (the forum that you have).
So in the end, you realize that what you did is exactly the same thing that the Chinese government did in 1989. I hope that you can spread the words, you and the chinese government in 1989 were all doing the right things!
At least now, you understand that China already had Democracy in 1989.
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good question, because those dicators can't tolerate people who have different opinions. And that is the base of dictatorship. And that is what those valueless censors do for fun. they are running their mid-night oil just to delete messages online.
those dictators and censors on that valueless md site are also members on here. i am simply glad those censors must be "furious" now, because they can't delete anything on here.
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NewDragon, aka PreppyStud, has also been banned but the "ruthless dictators" of SDN as well.
when will people just take responsibility for what they say instead of blaming everyone else.
It might be the internet, but places like SDN and ValueMD do want to uphold certain values.
when will people just take responsibility for what they say instead of blaming everyone else.
It might be the internet, but places like SDN and ValueMD do want to uphold certain values.
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Yea, ross has plenty of male students who piss in the toilet instead of the urinals, and ross has plenty of male and female students who do not flush the toilet after they are done.
and ross's washrooms are always dirty 24/7.
I totally agree with you if Ross can dismiss some people like that, they obviously are not qualified to be doctors.
and ross's washrooms are always dirty 24/7.
I totally agree with you if Ross can dismiss some people like that, they obviously are not qualified to be doctors.
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well, i totally agree. those are real dictators. they made up rules, 10 warnings for banning account, but they actually delete people's account without a single warnings!
further, they would keep the messages that people wrote, but ban the original writers' account. That simply does not make sense, does it.
if the post is not approriate, then it should be deleted. I don't see a reason why they banned the writers, but keep their posts.
That is why i am saying that valuemd is totally valueless. it is run by idiots, dictators and censors who can't think right!
And you can be sure those dictators are reading this exact post, and they are getting so "furious", but they can't delete this message.
and sometimes, they sign on here, and advertise for their own valueless web site. 🙁
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One of my rare thread closings here.
Please cool it on the bashing of other sites.
Please cool it on the bashing of other sites.
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not least of all from each other.
what you see there (and here too) is merely said "crap" and how the personality of the mods influences things. In neither place is there a school involvement nor is there an admin with a bias in place.
The web loves conspiracy theories-just put it out there and it runs off. the boring truth is that the admins at both forums really don't try to steer things towards any agenda.
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