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Hi Morris121,
Congrats on your acceptancse. I, like Xotica, am waiting for my decision from UH, but I have also been accepted to Jeff. Even though I don't know my fate at UH, I am already thinking about the pros and cons of both. The only benefit for me is that I am currently in Hawaii and am really familiar with the system at UH. It would be great to hear some of your thoughts, because right now I am at a loss.
Thanks!
There are a lot of strengths to both programs ... but at this point I am leaning towards Jefferson because of the strength of its match list. I'm concerned if I go to UH that my residency choices will be limited.
Is this accurate?
Jefferson:
1) Class size is still an issue for me. How involved/interactive are the students? Is Jefferson a fun place to learn? This is a really big one. I want to enjoy medical school (especially after being in a pre-med program!).
2) How well do Jefferson grads do in the emergency medicine match, specifically? I understand they place fairly broadly on the whole, but I'm particularly interested in their EM matches.
I think it will come down to: how much do you love PBL? If you dont like it that much, will the good weather school environment commensate for it?
Thanks for all the feedback - it has been very helpful!
There are some other things I'm still unsure about on both ends:
Hawaii:
1) It sounds like students live off-campus and commute to school. What's the relationship like between students? Do they hang out a lot together or is it more of a "go to school, go home" kind of atmosphere? What's the living situation like? Do students live far apart or are they all nested in one area? *I like the fact that many Jefferson students live in the same residences on campus, for example.
2) UH is primary care-focused. How well do students place in emergency medicine? *I'm still worried about limiting my residency options if I go to JABSOM (compared to say, Jefferson).
3) What are the lectures like that supplement PBL? Are they just overviews or do they go in depth?
Jefferson:
1) Class size is still an issue for me. How involved/interactive are the students? Is Jefferson a fun place to learn? This is a really big one. I want to enjoy medical school (especially after being in a pre-med program!).
2) How well do Jefferson grads do in the emergency medicine match, specifically? I understand they place fairly broadly on the whole, but I'm particularly interested in their EM matches.
ANYTHING else anyone would like to add would be great. I have to reply to JABSOM within a few weeks!
And to answer one of the above questions, I'm single and am completely independent. I don't particularly feel the need to stay close to home or anything.
Hey Morris,
I didn't know you were interested in EM! I know the match list I sent you showed two of our MSIVs going to UCLA EM (one doing EM, the other doing EM/IM, which only has a few spots nationwide anyway). If you're still interested, I can try to find last year's match list, as they had 6 people match into EM, and all in their first choice programs (one in Florida, another in Mass. General/Harvard, and I forget where else), with one EM/IM person in the mix.
Hey everyone,
Any thoughts on Jefferson vs. Hawaii?
There are a lot of competing factors I'm considering right now.
Hey everyone,
Thanks so much! I think I'm going to choose Hawaii!
Beyond all the other factors, I've been in a pre-med program for the last 4 years and to be honest, I'm tired of all the lectures. I find that my attention span has dropped considerably and that I'm really not a fan of passive learning. Overall, PBL sounds refreshing, and even though I will have to fill in some of the gaps, I think in college I've developed the necessary skills to ensure I have the science background required to go through each unit.
... and I have to admit, I'm pretty excited about the prospect of living in Honolulu! It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, and I see myself eventually settling in the northeast anyway.
If you're planning on settling in the northeast anyway, then WHY DO YOU EVEN WANT TO GO TO UH? This is a public institution SUPPORTED by the people who live and will remain in Hawaii probably for the rest of their lives. The GOAL of the University of Hawaii School of Medicine is to educate physicians who will eventually care for the PEOPLE OF HAWAII. I don't mean to be rude to you in particular, but I just DON'T GET people who want to go to another state's school, spend that state's money, then not work there (AND NOT CONTRIBUTE/GIVE BACK to that state) later on.
If you're planning on settling in the northeast anyway, then WHY DO YOU EVEN WANT TO GO TO UH? This is a public institution SUPPORTED by the people who live and will remain in Hawaii probably for the rest of their lives. The GOAL of the University of Hawaii School of Medicine is to educate physicians who will eventually care for the PEOPLE OF HAWAII. I don't mean to be rude to you in particular, but I just DON'T GET people who want to go to another state's school, spend that state's money, then not work there (AND NOT CONTRIBUTE/GIVE BACK to that state) later on.
Oh please. What does a student care about the supposed "mission" of a particular University? Do you sign a binding contract at UH, promising to stay in Hawaii and provide free care to underserved groups?
If the University accepts you, then you have every right to go there, regardless of your future goals.
And for the record, given how much out-of-state students typically pay at State schools, I highly doubt that the OP will be spending any Hawaiian money by attending UH.
You ask, "What does a student care?" WELL I CARE because I am a Hawaii resident, I have lived there my whole life, and I know that many physicians have left the state to practice in the mainland for higher pay or better privileges...and when I interviewed there, ALL THREE of my interviewers pointed out how they are looking for students who will stay in Hawaii to practice.
Oh yeah, and your post obviously shows how much you know about Hawaii anyway, so I don't get why you're even responding. Not all people there are Hawaiian. Being from Hawaii doesn't make you Hawaiian.
So sorry JABSOM doesn't consult you when they make admissions decisions.
And there's really no need to get your grass-skirt in a bunch. UH accepted this out-of-state applicant, meaning that the "mission" you describe exists more in your own mind than it does in reality. If they want this student, he has every right to go there, your shrill little rant notwithstanding.
UH also has a primary care focus. Perhaps you would prefer all applicants to sign a pledge stating "I will not pursue a surgical career"?
If you're planning on settling in the northeast anyway, then WHY DO YOU EVEN WANT TO GO TO UH? This is a public institution SUPPORTED by the people who live and will remain in Hawaii probably for the rest of their lives. The GOAL of the University of Hawaii School of Medicine is to educate physicians who will eventually care for the PEOPLE OF HAWAII. I don't mean to be rude to you in particular, but I just DON'T GET people who want to go to another state's school, spend that state's money, then not work there (AND NOT CONTRIBUTE/GIVE BACK to that state) later on.
dmk, I am a Hawaii resident, and I think tired has a legitimate point. JABSOM accepted this applicant and has the right to go there.
And whats wrong with a little diversity in the student body?
Give back to the state? I was under the impression that if you live in a state and your parents live in a state they were paying the same taxes that give them the in-state status and benefits of being a resident of that state. What you do after medical school is your own decision but the costs of the school are funded by the taxes already paid.
i will respond to you, since your reply doesn't seem rude/sarcastic/or abrasive. I never said that he didn't "deserve" to go there, I was only questioning why he would choose UH over another school that was in the Northeast, when he said he was planning on settling in the NE anyway.
AND I STAND BY MY POINT that UH is looking for students who will become doctors in Hawaii. Not for students who want to receive their education from UH simply for the sake of being in Hawaii, with the nice beaches, with the nice weather, and then leave to practice elsewhere.
If you're planning on settling in the northeast anyway, then WHY DO YOU EVEN WANT TO GO TO UH? This is a public institution SUPPORTED by the people who live and will remain in Hawaii probably for the rest of their lives. The GOAL of the University of Hawaii School of Medicine is to educate physicians who will eventually care for the PEOPLE OF HAWAII. I don't mean to be rude to you in particular, but I just DON'T GET people who want to go to another state's school, spend that state's money, then not work there (AND NOT CONTRIBUTE/GIVE BACK to that state) later on.
After this post, I will waste no more time on you. You're not worth it. My only regret is that you get to speak your mind behind the safety of your computer screen. Too bad you couldn't talk in this sarcastic/rude manner to me in person.
I'll give you credit. At least you're honest about the fact that you're still in limbo waiting for an admissions decision. Rather than giving phony advice, you're pretty explicit in stating that you simply don't want him to take a spot at UH. I appreciate that.If you're planning on settling in the northeast anyway, then WHY DO YOU EVEN WANT TO GO TO UH? This is a public institution SUPPORTED by the people who live and will remain in Hawaii probably for the rest of their lives. The GOAL of the University of Hawaii School of Medicine is to educate physicians who will eventually care for the PEOPLE OF HAWAII. I don't mean to be rude to you in particular, but I just DON'T GET people who want to go to another state's school, spend that state's money, then not work there (AND NOT CONTRIBUTE/GIVE BACK to that state) later on.
Hi- I am a hawaii resident still waiting on a final decision from JABSOM. Does anyone know when the letters went out last year? I am getting sooo anxious/nervous. Does a big envelope in the mail mean an acceptance and a small envelope mean rejection/waitlist? Your help is greatly appreciated! thanks
Hey everyone,
Any thoughts on Jefferson vs. Hawaii?
There are a lot of competing factors I'm considering right now.
Hey everyone,
Sorry to cause such a heated debate! I would have replied earlier but I've been away from SDN.
To touch on some issues:
I am open to living anywhere, really. I said imagine I will likely end up in the NE simply because I have only been out west once (JABSOM interview).
During my interviews, I made this very clear (yes, despite JABSOM's mission). I said that I literally had less than 30 hours in Hawaii prior to my first interview and that it would be premature for me to say I would end up living there long term. That being said, I also pointed out that I am flexible and that the reason I applied to JABSOM was primarily because of the class size and curriculum (HUGE selling points for me). I want to go where I will get the best medical education (suited to my learning style). I reiterated this last point.
I recognize and certainly respect JABSOM's mission: to educate physicians who will serve in Hawaii and the Pacific. I do not, however, feel that I am violating this because again, I do not know where I will end up. I also take solace in the fact that there are 6 OOS spots. Since the OOS allocation was decided prior to my application, I do not feel I am negatively affecting Hawaiian residents who are applying to JABSOM.
Although there is no guarantee that I will practice in Hawaii, I hope that I have a lot to offer my classmates. If I leave the islands and never go back, I see THIS as being my contribution. Certainly Hawaii is very culturally diverse. I think few would dispute that. However, perhaps there is something to be said for geographic diversity. I have never even lived in nor attended school in the United States. Hopefully, this will add to the composition of the class.
To address concerns about why I was accepted (even though I feel I need not reply), the short is that I do not know. I cannot nor will I pretend to understand how the ADCOM makes its decisions. Since ADCOMs, in general, seem to consider the whole applicant, any reasons I suggest here would be purely speculative.
I'd also like to say thanks very much everyone for providing your input! I take a lot from SDN because of all the unique perspectives!
Thanks for all the feedback - it has been very helpful!
There are some other things I'm still unsure about on both ends:
Hawaii:
1) It sounds like students live off-campus and commute to school. What's the relationship like between students? Do they hang out a lot together or is it more of a "go to school, go home" kind of atmosphere? What's the living situation like? Do students live far apart or are they all nested in one area? *I like the fact that many Jefferson students live in the same residences on campus, for example.
2) UH is primary care-focused. How well do students place in emergency medicine? *I'm still worried about limiting my residency options if I go to JABSOM (compared to say, Jefferson).
3) What are the lectures like that supplement PBL? Are they just overviews or do they go in depth?
Jefferson:
1) Class size is still an issue for me. How involved/interactive are the students? Is Jefferson a fun place to learn? This is a really big one. I want to enjoy medical school (especially after being in a pre-med program!).
2) How well do Jefferson grads do in the emergency medicine match, specifically? I understand they place fairly broadly on the whole, but I'm particularly interested in their EM matches.
ANYTHING else anyone would like to add would be great. I have to reply to JABSOM within a few weeks!
And to answer one of the above questions, I'm single and am completely independent. I don't particularly feel the need to stay close to home or anything.
got my e-mail rejection today....third time wasn't a charm oh well, better luck to you all!!!! congrats on the acceptances!
So sorry JABSOM doesn't consult you when they make admissions decisions.
And there's really no need to get your grass-skirt in a bunch. UH accepted this out-of-state applicant, meaning that the "mission" you describe exists more in your own mind than it does in reality. If they want this student, he has every right to go there, your shrill little rant notwithstanding.
UH also has a primary care focus. Perhaps you would prefer all applicants to sign a pledge stating "I will not pursue a surgical career"?