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Does anyone know what the major changes in curriculum are for Jesuit or Catholic schools? I'm assuming they don't teach abortion procedures, but would they allow OB/GYN clinicals in programs that perform them? Is there anything else that is markedly different from other schools' programs? I'm considering Georgetown and Loyola in particular. Thanks!
 

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I was under the impression that abortion wasn't really taught in any med school anyway.
 

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cstar23 said:
Does anyone know what the major changes in curriculum are for Jesuit or Catholic schools? I'm assuming they don't teach abortion procedures, but would they allow OB/GYN clinicals in programs that perform them? Is there anything else that is markedly different from other schools' programs? I'm considering Georgetown and Loyola in particular. Thanks!
Med school is med school. Everyone has to pass the same boards, catholic or not. So you learn the same stuff, take the same curricula. Unless you actively sought it during the applicable rotation, you probably wouldn't get the opportunity to perform an elective abortion at any med school, catholic or not -- folks usually go to clinics, not teaching hospitals for these.
 
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I think Loma Linda is the only school where you will openly see any effects of the religion. I didn't think Gtown (I'm not sure about the others) really displayed it religion too much.
 

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I think Loma Linda is the only school where you will openly see any effects of the religion. I didn't think Gtown (I'm not sure about the others) really displayed it religion too much.
Loma Linda is Seventh Day Adventist, which is way different from Catholic (Jesuit or otherwise).

OP- I doubt a school being Jesuit will have much of a significant impact on your med school education. May not have "free condom day" in the cafeteria or a lot of abortion literature in the student health center, but I wouldn't worry about it.
 

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You also prob won't find a summer job with a cutting edge embryonic stem cell researcher at a catholic school, so if you want to research that field of cell-bio prob go elsewhere
 

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Gtown is definitely the most hardcore of the jesuit schools as far as religious stuff goes. I don't believe any of the jesuit schools teach abortions, but all will allow you to do an away rotation if you have a special desire to learn them.
 

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Most of the time VIPs (voluntary interruption in pregnancy) is done via D&C or D&E - the same procedures that are done when you have a spontaneous miscarrage. You have to learn this to do OB/GYN...however at institutions with religious ties, there has to be verified absence of a fetal heartbeat before you are allowed to proceed. But the procedures themselves aren't done any differently in either case.
 

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jbrice1639 said:
Gtown is definitely the most hardcore of the jesuit schools as far as religious stuff goes.

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Georgetown is one of the most liberal Catholic schools out there, at least in terms of their "Catholic-ness".

Benedict actually wrote a very harsh statement on American Catholic schools (before he was pope), saying that some of them should just drop the pretense and stop calling themselves Catholic. Most people believed he was talking about G-town, but he stopped short of naming names.
 

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cstar23 said:
Does anyone know what the major changes in curriculum are for Jesuit or Catholic schools? I'm assuming they don't teach abortion procedures, but would they allow OB/GYN clinicals in programs that perform them? Is there anything else that is markedly different from other schools' programs? I'm considering Georgetown and Loyola in particular. Thanks!
I go to Creighton University which is Jesuit and it isn't much different than any other medical school. Med School is Med School... The only difference about Jesuit Schools is that they are really focused on service to others. It is really important that you have a strong volunteering background and community service.
 

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Case in point: read Gtown's brochure....they talk alot about their "Jesuiticity" but not much of their "Catholicity".

I feel like I'm on NDNation making up words as I go.

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Georgetown is one of the most liberal Catholic schools out there, at least in terms of their "Catholic-ness".

Benedict actually wrote a very harsh statement on American Catholic schools (before he was pope), saying that some of them should just drop the pretense and stop calling themselves Catholic. Most people believed he was talking about G-town, but he stopped short of naming names.
 

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ND2005 said:
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Georgetown is one of the most liberal Catholic schools out there, at least in terms of their "Catholic-ness".
there's only a small number of catholic medical schools though. so yeah, georgetown is way more liberal than notre dame...but they don't have a med school. of the jesuit medical schools, georgetown seems to be the most influenced by catholic principles. that said, none of them are uber-religious like some of the undergrad jesuit schools are...and none of them are as religious is loma linda.
 

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ND2005 said:
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Georgetown is one of the most liberal Catholic schools out there, at least in terms of their "Catholic-ness".

Benedict actually wrote a very harsh statement on American Catholic schools (before he was pope), saying that some of them should just drop the pretense and stop calling themselves Catholic. Most people believed he was talking about G-town, but he stopped short of naming names.
I think you have to distinguish between the theology department, and the administration's cordial relations with certain politicians and what is actually happening in the medical school and the affiliated Catholic hospitals.

You aren't going to find a Catholic medical school (Jesuit or otherwise, otherwise being limited to NYMC, IIRC) that will touch abortion, IVF, voluntary sterilization, or physician assisted suicide in clinical practice. Embryonic stem cell research is unlikely to go on in labs at Catholic facilities.
 

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Here's a link to Loyola's Ob/Gyn clerkship site:
http://www.meddean.luc.edu/lumen/MedEd/obgyne/index.htm

If you look at the "Lectures/Problem Based Sessions" page, you'll see that they try to cover as many relevant topics as they can squeeze in and that includes "contreversial" subjects.

My experience is that Jesuit="social justice," otherwise, as other's have said med school is med school. You are going to care about very different things than you expected when you finally get to your clerkships.
 

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LaurieB said:
Here's a link to Loyola's Ob/Gyn clerkship site:
http://www.meddean.luc.edu/lumen/MedEd/obgyne/index.htm

If you look at the "Lectures/Problem Based Sessions" page, you'll see that they try to cover as many relevant topics as they can squeeze in and that includes "contreversial" subjects.

My experience is that Jesuit="social justice," otherwise, as other's have said med school is med school. You are going to care about very different things than you expected when you finally get to your clerkships.
It is covered in lectures (because it is on the boards) but the affiliated hospitals are all Catholic (Alexian Bros, Mercy, and Resurrection) so you won't see abortions & sterilizations being performed there. I don't think that we are in contradiction - just bringing out different aspects of Catholic med schools.
 
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