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JUST A QUESTION

Discussion in 'Medical Students - MD' started by InNY, Jun 15, 2000.

  1. InNY

    InNY Junior Member
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    I just wondered what people thought about the med program in Sackler,because I really want to go there.I was born and raised in LI, NY, but my father is Israeli and has taught me Hebrew since I was a child so I speak, read, and write fluently.Plus, Ive been to Israel many times.I want to go for both the education and the experience ofbeing in the country I love. I am graduating as an Occupational Therapist, have abouta 3.3 GPA, and will be shadowing a doctor in his office this summer.Is theprogram good and worthwhile?Let me know.I'd really appreciate the input.
     
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  3. turtleboard

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    Sackler's a good program. They've got close ties with many institutions in New York, so finding a residency won't be too difficult.

    And since you speak Hebrew fluently, you've already crossed probably the most difficult hurdle.

    I have some friends in the program and, as far as I can tell, they're enjoying Israel.


    Tim of New York City.
     
  4. InNY

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    Well, if anyone knows anything about the standards for getting into Sackler, let me know. I think my credentials are ok-I'm an Occupational Therapist, I'll be shadowing a doctor in his office this summer, speak Hebrew, have about a 3.3 GPA, am in a couple of honor socieities, am a youth group leader, did a research project last summer with geriatric patients and got a scholarship for my work.Is this what they are looking for, or should I do more?
     
  5. avi newman

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    You do not need Sackler. You can go to any Israeli medical school. Maybe you can gete credit for your pre-med courses. Just along the way drop in to take the American boards, at some local Sylvan Learning Center. Get the permit to practice medicine in Israel and come back to the USA if you want. My impression is that indigenous Israeli medical education is head and shoulders above most other medical programs in the world and would prepare you for just about anything you would want to do, in a place of your chosing. You would not have to be working as a grunt, piece-worker in some conglomerate's HMO, that is for sure. At the end of the 6th year, I understand, you have to take the 6th year exam for internship. If you can do that you probably could do step 2 easily. Good luck!!!!
     
  6. UHS2002

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    It used to be, however, that you had to be an Israeli citizen to attend an Israeli medical school in a regular program (that is, not in a program meant for American students). This is not a problem for InNY, as his father is Israeli. However, there are a couple of reasons why this is may not be the way to go:

    1) Israeli programs (not the American designated ones) are VERY VERY VERY competitive (did I remember to mention that they are competitive?!). Very few foreign born Jewish students are accepted. I put the emphasis on Jewish because, until very recently (and I am not sure this has changed), you had to be an Israeli citizen to be accepted into the regular program at Israeli medical schools. This would only qualify people such as InNY, who are children of Israelis, and Jewish students who are able to take immediate citizenship (if they wish) upon arrival in Israel, based on the Law of Return. InNY, by being the child of an Israeli citizen, doesn't have the choice of whether he wants to become a citizen or not, By Israeli law he is automatically a citizen, which would enable him to apply for a regular Israeli medical program, assuming he is a very competitive candidate, but which would lead to the next issue:

    2) As an Israeli citizen you are going to have to serve in the military. This used to be a huge issue for children of Israelis, which felt that they could not go to Israel to visit, after age 18 because of the draft. This lead to a "softening" in the laws, so that now these people can go and visit without running into problems with the draft board. I assume that InNY would not have an issue with this if he went to the American Program at Sackler. However, if he wanted to enroll in a regular medical program in Israel, he would have to commit to serve 1 year in the army for every year of school (which makes 6 years, instead of the regular 3 years for men and 2 years for women).You don't get all the great benefits in pay that an American medical officer gets (although you used to be able to enjoy great working locations such as the West Bank and Lebanon - which now are no longer avaliable to be deployed to - in all fairness though, Israeli trauma surgeons used to be the best in the world, mostly because they got so much oportunity to learn and practice). Therefore, for many years, factor 1 (competitiveness) + factor 2 (3 additional years of military service) have sent many Israelis to European medical schools.

    Factor in a third element: medicine in Israel is socialized, so you don't earn that much. You have oportunities to practice great medicine (at modest salaries)at places such as Hadassah, or great research at the Weizman Institute, and then you have...Kupat Holim (where you will have the wonderfull opportunity to exchange views with your Russian colleagues, aaaaaaargh, at even more modest salaries).

    Back to the original question, I think Sackler is a great program and living in Israel for a few years, would be another plus for choosing their program. The country is beautifull plus you get to fulfill all these idealistic relocation motivations that we are so famous for... Living in Israel is not for the faint at heart though, and it has nothing to do with terrorism. But I am sure that InNY is well aware of this last consideration [​IMG]
     
  7. InNY

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    I don't think people understood what I meant.And just to clarify, I am a female, not a male.
    There is a program called the "New York State American Medical Program at Sackler medical school," which if you go to the tel-aviv university website you can learn more about. It is a program which accepts 70 Americans a year to go study abroad in Israel to receive an M.D. degree.The program is based on American medical programs and is four years long. My Hebrew is good conversational wise, but to become part of an Israeli program taught in Hebrew, especially a difficult medical progeam, with my level of Hebrew is out of the question.I was referring to the American program.I know it is tough to get into, but I wanted to know how tough and if I have what it takes or should I not even bother.If anyone knows anything or anyone in the program who could contact me and give me more info, I'd really appreciate it.Thanks.
     
  8. UHS2002

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    Are you a female?!
    No problem InNY, the Israeli Army is an Equal Opportunity Employer" [​IMG]

    Kidding apart, as GPA is concerned 3.3 is in the ballpark, as long as your science GPA is not lower. A couple of people I know were accepted with similar GPAs (although they ended up accepted here in the US too, and elected to stay here).I think the fact that you have been to Israel several times, plus the fact that you can speak Hebrew will weight heavily in your favor when you apply to the American program at Sackler. Do check what your status will be in regards to your military service though (if you haven't already done so), because if you have to serve this my be an obstacle for your acceptance in the program, as you must remember that even though the program is for Americans and you are an American citizen, you are also considered Israeli according to Israeli law (if you are over your mid 20's, as a woman, you can get a waiver).
     

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