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I just started dating a med student that has about a year and some change left and was wondering if you guys had any tips for me. I am in a different field completely but I want to make sure that I have a good understanding of what I am facing here.

I understand I will never get to see her and things will be really tough but I do like her and am willing to make sacrifices so I am hoping someone can tell me what to expect. AND most importantly tips to help make it work for the long term.

Our relationship is still in its infancy but then again I am really willing to do what is in my power to make it work.
 
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grats on the suga momma bro after the mountains of debt and residency
It's okay I am a very good financial planner and will have no debt or anything after a year and a half. She may still rake in more money but I will move quickly in my career and make good money as well. Already am doing well so that isn't too much of a concern for me.
 
I just started dating a med student that has about a year and some change left and was wondering if you guys had any tips for me. I am in a different field completely but I want to make sure that I have a good understanding of what I am facing here.

I understand I will never get to see her and things will be really tough but I do like her and am willing to make sacrifices so I am hoping someone can tell me what to expect. AND most importantly tips to help make it work for the long term.

Our relationship is still in its infancy but then again I am really willing to do what is in my power to make it work.

You have to understand that you'll never come before her job, sick patients don't come on a schedule. Her nights and weekends will be shot until she's an attending. However, there's still enough time to enjoy life, even as a student or resident.

Do you know what field she's interested in?
 
Pediatrics

I don't mind that since my field also consumes a lot of my time. My goal is to climb very high but my schedule I make and its very flexible as long as I plan a week ahead.
 
You really shouldn't have much difficulty during the first two years. She will probably be more stressed out than she's used to at first, but she will adjust quickly and there will be plenty of time for life outside of school during the first two years. Third year is much more of a challenge, especially during certain rotations. Fourth year is the light at the end of the tunnel (or really more like the light before the next tunnel which happens to be longer and darker).
 
It is a good sign that you are invested enough to seek out this forum, register, and ask for advice.

That said you are only half the equation. Just offer as much support as you can without being annoying about it. Accept that you won't always "understand" despite your best efforts and expect that you will be disappointed countless times over time.
 
You really shouldn't have much difficulty during the first two years. She will probably be more stressed out than she's used to at first, but she will adjust quickly and there will be plenty of time for life outside of school during the first two years. Third year is much more of a challenge, especially during certain rotations. Fourth year is the light at the end of the tunnel (or really more like the light before the next tunnel which happens to be longer and darker).
Shes in her last 2 years! I guess we are currently in her nightmare year.

It is a good sign that you are invested enough to seek out this forum, register, and ask for advice.

That said you are only half the equation. Just offer as much support as you can without being annoying about it. Accept that you won't always "understand" despite your best efforts and expect that you will be disappointed countless times over time.
Yes, I want to make sure I can stand by her and if this is something I can truly commit to before I get in any deeper. The only thing that bothers me is the residency portion of this because I will not have too much flexibility with my career. At a certain point I will have to move to the city where our HQ is but the good news is there is a hospital there that has a residency program. I am just not sure how easy it would be for her to get into that program.

If she can then we can last otherwise at some point I will have to move away for a few years. I can definitely follow initially but again at some point I will have to go...Good news is it can happen by the time she finishes up!
 
Shes in her last 2 years! I guess we are currently in her nightmare year.


Yes, I want to make sure I can stand by her and if this is something I can truly commit to before I get in any deeper. The only thing that bothers me is the residency portion of this because I will not have too much flexibility with my career. At a certain point I will have to move to the city where our HQ is but the good news is there is a hospital there that has a residency program. I am just not sure how easy it would be for her to get into that program.

If she can then we can last otherwise at some point I will have to move away for a few years. I can definitely follow initially but again at some point I will have to go...Good news is it can happen by the time she finishes up!

Are either of you relatively "old"?
 
Actually, the nightmare years are coming in. In approximately 1.5 years she will be more busy than ever before. Best time to get married and have a kid is next year so you better hop on that
 
Are either of you relatively "old"?
Nope, we are both pretty young but mature for our ages. I plan to talk to her and keep our communication open so we can try to get through this period in her life.

Actually, the nightmare years are coming in. In approximately 1.5 years she will be more busy than ever before. Best time to get married and have a kid is next year so you better hop on that
Lol not quite sure if that would be the best thing for us to do especially with her career and the fact our relationship has barely started.
 
Yes, I want to make sure I can stand by her and if this is something I can truly commit to before I get in any deeper. The only thing that bothers me is the residency portion of this because I will not have too much flexibility with my career. At a certain point I will have to move to the city where our HQ is but the good news is there is a hospital there that has a residency program. I am just not sure how easy it would be for her to get into that program.

If she can then we can last otherwise at some point I will have to move away for a few years. I can definitely follow initially but again at some point I will have to go...Good news is it can happen by the time she finishes up!

During residency where she goes will depend entirely on the match. I have no idea how hard it would be for her to get her desired program/city. The more competitive she is as an applicant, and the less competitive the program is, the more likely she will be to get her choice.

After residency she will be able to go wherever she wants. Some locations are better than in terms of pay and career potential, but there are jobs pretty much everywhere if you're willing to work in outpatient primary care. Pediatrics residencies are three years long, so that's how long you could theoretically be separated. After that, assuming she doesn't pursue fellowship, she should be able to follow you if you wanted to start planning a life.
 
During residency where she goes will depend entirely on the match. I have no idea how hard it would be for her to get her desired program/city. The more competitive she is as an applicant, and the less competitive the program is, the more likely she will be to get her choice.

After residency she will be able to go wherever she wants. Some locations are better than in terms of pay and career potential, but there are jobs pretty much everywhere if you're willing to work in outpatient primary care. Pediatrics residencies are three years long, so that's how long you could theoretically be separated. After that, assuming she doesn't pursue fellowship, she should be able to follow you if you wanted to start planning a life.
Looks like I am going to have to talk to her this is a huge commitment on my part and I want to make sure I can handle it first.
 
Then what you have to look forward to is catching every cold and virus, every year. Invest heavily in decongestants and Imodium.
LOL!

Any thoughts on the best way for me to manage the relationship?
 
Be understanding of her time constraints and do what you can to make her life easier and make her feel special. Be willing to move for her residency. Otherwise, it won't work. She can't promise to end up in your ideal city...
 
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Be understanding of her time constraints and do what you can to make her life easier and make her feel special. Be willing to move for her residency. Otherwise, it won't work. She can't promise to end up in your ideal city...
That is what the main problem is I guess since I cannot truly move to a different city for her. I am on a career path as well and all roads lead to moving to the city of our HQ. I know it would have to be LDR then and idk if I am equipped for that yet in my life. It would depend on how much our relationship has progressed and my level of interest in her. My view on LDR's are that they ALMOST never work.
 
Does anyone ever admit to being immature for their age when it comes to relationships?
True but I am here doing research on something before I get into it any further and am trying my best to see what I can do to make this better for both of us. I would say that is a good indicator of my maturity at least but again this isn't really the point of the thread.
 
You are lucky she's interested in peds. Short residency, and the hours a good once she's done. However, salary is generally pretty low in well-desired areas of the country. Ped's residency is also one of the larger residencies, so she should have more flexibility in where she wants to do her residency. Good luck with everything, hope it all works out
 
Get used to conservations like this:

You: What are you doing?
SO: Studying.

I just started dating a med student that has about a year and some change left and was wondering if you guys had any tips for me. I am in a different field completely but I want to make sure that I have a good understanding of what I am facing here.

I understand I will never get to see her and things will be really tough but I do like her and am willing to make sacrifices so I am hoping someone can tell me what to expect. AND most importantly tips to help make it work for the long term.

Our relationship is still in its infancy but then again I am really willing to do what is in my power to make it work.
 
Nope, we are both pretty young but mature for our ages. I plan to talk to her and keep our communication open so we can try to get through this period in her life.

Yeah, I don't ask so much regarding maturity, but more so regarding biological age.

If you are both like 23-25, you're pretty young IMO. In the sense, that -- why rush to a decision? You aren't likely covered in gray hair and she isn't likely on the last couple of her ovulation cycles. In other words, in your early twenties there is not much biological reason to rush to find the "perfect forever and ever and ever lifetime partner".

From a psychosocial standpoint, if the two of you are really into each other right now and the company of one another brings satisfaction and joy -- go with it. By all means, please be upfront with each other that there could be obstacles down the road (or even the end of your romantic relationship), but you're both young -- enjoy each other.

Besides...

People change.
Situations change.

She may not be interested in peds next week, next month, next year.
You could get (in an unforeseen fashion) ****-canned from your job and suddenly your geographic limitations open right up.

Of course, I have no idea what either of you are looking for from the relationship you share at the moment. But, if you are both young and enjoy being with each other -- great. Go with it now, IMO, and if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. That's not unique, relationships fail all the time. You'll both survive to date again and you'll both have some good memories (and you will have the relatively bittersweet [rare] insight into what it is like to date a physician in training).
 
Truthfully you just have to be patient and understanding and not worry too much. People get all wrapped up in the whole fear aspect of what could happen to their relationship with a person in medical school or residency, but at the end of the day, the fears are often waaaaay out of line with reality. If you're low maintenance and have patience, dating a medical student or resident isn't all that hard. If you're needy and demanding or require constant attention, dating a medical student or resident probably isn't the best idea. Be honest with yourself as to what you need and whether it should be a problem, and if you don't think it will be, then stop worrying and just do this without all the worrying.
 
She will be very busy, and will be very sleep deprived, and very cranky. She will fall asleep in restaurants, at parties, and in movies. Her schedule will always come first. The biggest problem in the beginning will be that it's impossible to tell if she's really so busy that she can't see you, or if perhaps she's just not interested in you anymore.

You will end up doing all the laundry and shopping, etc. Depending on your income, you might end up as a stay-home dad.
 
In addition to the whole "too busy for a family" aspect, there is an often overlooked aspect of the high likelihood of having to forego benefits to your future children. There is very strong evidence of particular positive effects of things like minimum 6-18 months of breastfeeding on cognitive and social development in children. Missing out on "freebie" epigenetic boosters to children should be factored in your talks of future plans. Even the best daycare situations cannot make up for the deficit resulting from two working parents. There is a strange belief that one can perform work and parent at the same time, but is logically false unless the definition of parenting is limited to being a provider of materials and environmental stability.

If you have even a moderate inclination to actually raise children, a lot of work should be done soon to mitigate the problems in the future. If it is acceptable to relinquish responsibility in contributing to the development of your children to your parents, uncles, aunts, or family friends, then good on you for having a positive social network. I'm not as fortunate in that area and would hope to minimize the influence of my family on my future younglings. Good luck sir.

Couldn't have said it better myself!
 
You are lucky she's interested in peds. Short residency, and the hours a good once she's done. However, salary is generally pretty low in well-desired areas of the country. Ped's residency is also one of the larger residencies, so she should have more flexibility in where she wants to do her residency. Good luck with everything, hope it all works out
That's good to hear! Her salary I am not too worried about since I have a good job. I really appreciate the kind words and the good news!

Get used to conservations like this:

You: What are you doing?
SO: Studying.
Haha! She's actually not too bad but I know this is only going to get worse. She always makes time to text me back even if it's after a few hours.

Yeah, I don' ask so much regarding maturity, but more so regarding biological age.
If you are both like 23-25, you're pretty young IMO. In the sense, that -- why rush to a decision? You aren't likely covered in gray hair and she isn't likely on the last couple of her ovulation cycles. In other words, in your early twenties there is not much biological reason to rush to find the "perfect forever and ever and ever lifetime partner".
From a psychosocial standpoint, if the two of you are really into each other right now and the company of one another brings satisfaction and joy -- go with it. By all means, please be upfront with each other that there could be obstacles down the road (or even the end of your romantic relationship), but you're both young -- enjoy each other.
Besides...
People change.
Situations change.
She may not be interested in peds next week, next month, next year.
You could get (in an unforeseen fashion) ****-canned from your job and suddenly your geographic limitations open right up.
Of course, I have no idea what either of you are looking for from the relationship you share at the moment. But, if you are both young and enjoy being with each other -- great. Go with it now, IMO, and if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. That's not unique, relationships fail all the time. You'll both survive to date again and you'll both have some good memories (and you will have the relatively bittersweet [rare] insight into what it is like to date a physician in training).
We are both above 25! We do enjoy each others company and it's so weird but indirectly she has made me perform better at work and get my life moving forward. It's a weird effect and I am sure I am a good support structure for her right now. I am really trying to be as supportive as possible. Thanks for this post though it's finally a breath of fresh air hearing something positive!

Truthfully you just have to be patient and understanding and not worry too much. People get all wrapped up in the whole fear aspect of what could happen to their relationship with a person in medical school or residency, but at the end of the day, the fears are often waaaaay out of line with reality. If you're low maintenance and have patience, dating a medical student or resident isn't all that hard. If you're needy and demanding or require constant attention, dating a medical student or resident probably isn't the best idea. Be honest with yourself as to what you need and whether it should be a problem, and if you don't think it will be, then stop worrying and just do this without all the worrying.
I am very low maintenance and have patience that is the only reason I am actually considering sticking in there. When you say it's not that bad can you go in more depth? I just really want to get a good grasp of this so I can make an informed choice and not hurt her in the long run.

She will be very busy, and will be very sleep deprived, and very cranky. She will fall asleep in restaurants, at parties, and in movies. Her schedule will always come first. The biggest problem in the beginning will be that it's impossible to tell if she's really so busy that she can't see you, or if perhaps she's just not interested in you anymore.

You will end up doing all the laundry and shopping, etc. Depending on your income, you might end up as a stay-home dad.
Haha I already feel that she is not interested but now I know that it's honestly just her schedule. She has reassured me early on but funny you mentioned it. I have been trying to be really respectful of her time and ensuring that her health also comes before me. I have good income enough to support a family and I have already invested my money in accounts for the future so financially I plan to be stable at that point in my life.

In addition to the whole "too busy for a family" aspect, there is an often overlooked aspect of the high likelihood of having to forego benefits to your future children. There is very strong evidence of particular positive effects of things like minimum 6-18 months of breastfeeding on cognitive and social development in children. Missing out on "freebie" epigenetic boosters to children should be factored in your talks of future plans. Even the best daycare situations cannot make up for the deficit resulting from two working parents. There is a strange belief that one can perform work and parent at the same time, but is logically false unless the definition of parenting is limited to being a provider of materials and environmental stability.

If you have even a moderate inclination to actually raise children, a lot of work should be done soon to mitigate the problems in the future. If it is acceptable to relinquish responsibility in contributing to the development of your children to your parents, uncles, aunts, or family friends, then good on you for having a positive social network. I'm not as fortunate in that area and would hope to minimize the influence of my family on my future younglings. Good luck sir.
I have a great positive social network and family in either city I would be in for work so I would be fine in that regards. But you do make a good point definitely something I need to think about and consider.
 
In addition to the whole "too busy for a family" aspect, there is an often overlooked aspect of the high likelihood of having to forego benefits to your future children. There is very strong evidence of particular positive effects of things like minimum 6-18 months of breastfeeding on cognitive and social development in children. Missing out on "freebie" epigenetic boosters to children should be factored in your talks of future plans. Even the best daycare situations cannot make up for the deficit resulting from two working parents. There is a strange belief that one can perform work and parent at the same time, but is logically false unless the definition of parenting is limited to being a provider of materials and environmental stability.

Spoken like a true 23-year old single non-parent expert... 😵
 
Spoken like a true 23-year old single non-parent expert... 😵

Seriously. Not this conversation again. It's not all or nothing people. It's not be a stay at home parent or doom your child to issues akin to those experienced by 1970s European orphanage babies. Jeez.


Also, I'm pretty sure the evidence for breastfeeding improving cognitive development is iffy at best. Isn't it like 4 IQ points?

Making relationship decisions based on the possibility that someone MAY not be able to breastfeed your future imaginary children for some arbitrary period of time that may lead to some ill-defined and likely statistically insignificant increase in the IQ of one's imaginary future children is a bit silly.
 
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Seriously. Not this conversation again. It's not all or nothing people. It's not be a stay at home parent or doom your child to issues akin to those experienced by 1970s European orphanage babies. Jeez.


Also, I'm pretty sure the evidence for breastfeeding improving cognitive development is iffy at best. Isn't it like 4 IQ points?

Making relationship decisions based on the possibility that someone MAY not be able to breastfeed your future imaginary children for some arbitrary period of time that may lead to some ill-defined and likely statistically insignificant increase in the IQ of one's imaginary future children is a bit silly.
Not to mention that if the goal is maximizing your child's IQ it probably counts for more to have two higher IQ parents than to breastfeed for 18 months, and there's no guarantee that a stay-at-home mom is going to be able to or want to breastfeed for some set length of time. I suspect darknecrosforte has never breastfed an infant.
 
Not to mention that if the goal is maximizing your child's IQ it probably counts for more to have two higher IQ parents than to breastfeed for 18 months, and there's no guarantee that a stay-at-home mom is going to be able to or want to breastfeed for some set length of time. I suspect darknecrosforte has never breastfed an infant.
Neither have I but... Science and logic. 😛
 
Unlike him I have no doubt that you recognize that just as with everything else about parenting, we can plan all we want on breastfeeding for some length of time, but our plans don't always work out.

Now you sound like a parent! 😛😉
 
I read some of this thread. I've dated a med student a long time. Actually, met her after she was rejected first cycle and was re-applying. She subsequently graduated and is close to done with residency and I got inspired and decided to go to med school.

Here are tips I would have given myself. First, I would have got engaged a long time ago. It never seemed like the right time. She was busy studying, a crazy intern, then residency and then I moved away. There is no right time with someone in medicine. Do your best and make things work once you know you are both committed to each other. Here is a year by year breakdown. You might be beyond first semester, but going to include it for good measure.

M1 year - First semester... let her be. She's probably not used to the med school workload. But, be sure to support her. A care package. Flowers. Chocolates. Cards. Anything to make her feel that you love and care for her, but understand she needs to adjust and need space to do this.

M1 year - Second semester - she will have gotten more used to school expectations and balance. You can get in a few date nights, but she'll be studying a lot. Care and support and you'll get in a few fun activities.

M1 summer - Honestly, enjoy this with her if you both have the ability to. My gf was huge into research and her M1 year fell into a time when I wasn't comfortable asking for time off (recession, people were being laid-off). In retrospect, I would have enjoyed this summer with a trip before/after her research. I didn't really know what was coming after this and nor did she.

M2 year - First semester is just a continuation of the M1 year second semester.

M2 year - Second semester. BOARDS! It's a reversion to M1 year first semester. Boards are a big deal. During dedicated study time (usually 6 wks leading up to boards), she won't exist.

M3 year - Depending on rotation, you may either see her a lot (psych/family) or not at all (surgery, ob/gyn).

M4 year - For most, this is where they likely will see their significant other the most. In my case it was quite the opposite. My SO, who was initially interested in peds, changed her mind and decided on a super competitive specialty. She decided to line up audition rotations in this super competitive specialty and even moved to another country for a while and was non-existent.

Intern year - I was not prepared and nor was she. Holy smokes! She went crazy. I mean... the stress. I was dating a crazy person. I questioned if we should even be together. I got yelled at and she was just completely not herself. I decided if I could deal with that, then I must really love her. I can't even explain what it's like being the SO of an intern (in a long hour specialty). Try and be supportive, but it'll be trying. If there was one point I thought it totally wasn't worth it, it was during intern year. She hated it, I hated it and we were both miserable.

PGY 2 - PGY 3 - These years were more chill. Still didn't see much of her, but she seemed to be enjoying medicine and the times we did see each other were really special. Lots of romantic restaurant nights and walks in the park when our schedules aligned.

PG 4 - PG5 - Added responsibility of being chief. More stress. But much more able to deal with it. Of course, this is where she springs on your that she wants to do a fellowship in another state and you're like... oh no, another move!

Just my personal experience. I think my two cents is love and support mean more than anything to someone in medicine. The ability to ask how they are doing, being there for them and genuinely caring go a long way. Know that they are just a ball of stress and anything you can do to be the person they want to call first to let loose will really help your relationship. Dating a person in medicine has its ups and downs. It has been worth it for me, but there is no way I would date someone else in medicine again if this relationship falls apart. Good luck!
 
I just started dating a med student that has about a year and some change left and was wondering if you guys had any tips for me. I am in a different field completely but I want to make sure that I have a good understanding of what I am facing here.

I understand I will never get to see her and things will be really tough but I do like her and am willing to make sacrifices so I am hoping someone can tell me what to expect. AND most importantly tips to help make it work for the long term.

Our relationship is still in its infancy but then again I am really willing to do what is in my power to make it work.


The post above me is pretty much mine except it's an actual situation instead of a surmised one. Definitely read that one! One thing to not is that there will be variability in the first and second years depending on the school.


Well I'm going to answer this from my perspective. I personally would not be comfortable in a relationship where my hypothetical SO was "busier" than me on a consistent basis. Just as busy would be ideal, but being less busy frankly makes me feel useless. It's not sexist because I accept that it should be able to go the other way as well but I have a feeling that if you're like me, this make you feel a bit unfulfilled. Also, i know there are some good relationships going on with girls and their non med school bf's out there but frankly, I do think that for these next four years, you will be really in your GFs schedule and there will be times you'll have to support her and she may not be able to reciprocate. Same rules apply if the gender's reversed.

Now, as for the problems you'll face here's a hypothetical timeline based on my experience:

1st year:

Starts of like a ton of bricks but for the first couple weeks or 1-2 months it will seem ok/manageable. Then there's a period where you notice they really start ramping up their studying and may have less time for you. Once you get in the thick of it, there's a disturbing trend I see not only in myself but other med students where we literally regress socially (I sure it's reversible but still...). Like you'll try to say hi to someone and they'll be like completely out of it or just awkward in general. Overall It gets better as the first year winds down and summer is great.

2nd year:

This is the year she'll be taking her national board step 1 exam so it'll probably be a busier, more stressful, and kore high stakes year. Maybe I'm not good at time mamagement but there are days where I can barely manage to groom myself, work out, and spend the rest of the time at my desk studying. No breaks last longer than an hour. It gets really stressful and I feel like this may be a challenge. Anticipate this and try to mitigate the problem.

3rd year: I have not experienced this but I think it gets better. 3rd years tell me it's a lot more fulfilling to be in the hospital and most rotations don't require as much time put in. I think I'll mention it here but I think the biggest factor which will determine the business of your significant other is the field they're planning to go into. If it's a competitive one, they'll need to spend more time 2nd year prepping for board, most their time during the first year summer trying to get published, and by studying hardcore for step 2 and shelf exams during 3rd year rotations.

4th year: I hear this is the best year as you have pretty chill things and best of all it's mainly electives. Also, there's lots of travel for interviews so schools lessen the burden. This will be a good year.


Residency: it really depends on the residency. Surgery will probably be many more hours than something like family medicine for example. Also, don't forget to factor in that there's a really good chance you'll be moving within the state or likely out of state to where your gf matches. She's going, she won't have a choice.


Onwards: out of the scope of my knowledge.
 
Yes, I want to make sure I can stand by her and if this is something I can truly commit to before I get in any deeper. The only thing that bothers me is the residency portion of this because I will not have too much flexibility with my career. At a certain point I will have to move to the city where our HQ is but the good news is there is a hospital there that has a residency program. I am just not sure how easy it would be for her to get into that program.

If she can then we can last otherwise at some point I will have to move away for a few years. I can definitely follow initially but again at some point I will have to go...Good news is it can happen by the time she finishes up!
This is something you will really have to talk to her about. First as others have said, it is impossible to guarantee her being able to match into a certain program due to the way the match works. Second, she will most likely want to the train at the program that is the best fit for her and will give her the best experience, that may very well be somewhere that isn't where your job will be. Who knows, that program by you might be crap and she may have zero interest going there, don't just assume since there is a program there that it will really be a viable option. She has been working for this opportunity for a very long time and it is absurdly hard to give up that for a relationship, many many relationships have ended because of this, and it isn't like you guys are already engaged/married. Keep it in mind and talk to her about how you guys may deal with it next year.
 
That is what the main problem is I guess since I cannot truly move to a different city for her. I am on a career path as well and all roads lead to moving to the city of our HQ. I know it would have to be LDR then and idk if I am equipped for that yet in my life. It would depend on how much our relationship has progressed and my level of interest in her. My view on LDR's are that they ALMOST never work.


LDR's suck. There I said it.
 
I just started dating a med student that has about a year and some change left and was wondering if you guys had any tips for me. I am in a different field completely but I want to make sure that I have a good understanding of what I am facing here.

I understand I will never get to see her and things will be really tough but I do like her and am willing to make sacrifices so I am hoping someone can tell me what to expect. AND most importantly tips to help make it work for the long term.

Our relationship is still in its infancy but then again I am really willing to do what is in my power to make it work.


YOU ALREADY MADE A HUGE MISTAKE. This is something you need to talk to her about - not us.
Why are you asking us strangers? Everyone is different. You need to talk to her and ask what you can expect out of her - and expectations will change over time.
 
I read some of this thread. I've dated a med student a long time. Actually, met her after she was rejected first cycle and was re-applying. She subsequently graduated and is close to done with residency and I got inspired and decided to go to med school.

Here are tips I would have given myself. First, I would have got engaged a long time ago. It never seemed like the right time. She was busy studying, a crazy intern, then residency and then I moved away. There is no right time with someone in medicine. Do your best and make things work once you know you are both committed to each other. Here is a year by year breakdown. You might be beyond first semester, but going to include it for good measure.

M1 year - First semester... let her be. She's probably not used to the med school workload. But, be sure to support her. A care package. Flowers. Chocolates. Cards. Anything to make her feel that you love and care for her, but understand she needs to adjust and need space to do this.

M1 year - Second semester - she will have gotten more used to school expectations and balance. You can get in a few date nights, but she'll be studying a lot. Care and support and you'll get in a few fun activities.

M1 summer - Honestly, enjoy this with her if you both have the ability to. My gf was huge into research and her M1 year fell into a time when I wasn't comfortable asking for time off (recession, people were being laid-off). In retrospect, I would have enjoyed this summer with a trip before/after her research. I didn't really know what was coming after this and nor did she.

M2 year - First semester is just a continuation of the M1 year second semester.

M2 year - Second semester. BOARDS! It's a reversion to M1 year first semester. Boards are a big deal. During dedicated study time (usually 6 wks leading up to boards), she won't exist.

M3 year - Depending on rotation, you may either see her a lot (psych/family) or not at all (surgery, ob/gyn).

M4 year - For most, this is where they likely will see their significant other the most. In my case it was quite the opposite. My SO, who was initially interested in peds, changed her mind and decided on a super competitive specialty. She decided to line up audition rotations in this super competitive specialty and even moved to another country for a while and was non-existent.

Intern year - I was not prepared and nor was she. Holy smokes! She went crazy. I mean... the stress. I was dating a crazy person. I questioned if we should even be together. I got yelled at and she was just completely not herself. I decided if I could deal with that, then I must really love her. I can't even explain what it's like being the SO of an intern (in a long hour specialty). Try and be supportive, but it'll be trying. If there was one point I thought it totally wasn't worth it, it was during intern year. She hated it, I hated it and we were both miserable.

PGY 2 - PGY 3 - These years were more chill. Still didn't see much of her, but she seemed to be enjoying medicine and the times we did see each other were really special. Lots of romantic restaurant nights and walks in the park when our schedules aligned.

PG 4 - PG5 - Added responsibility of being chief. More stress. But much more able to deal with it. Of course, this is where she springs on your that she wants to do a fellowship in another state and you're like... oh no, another move!

Just my personal experience. I think my two cents is love and support mean more than anything to someone in medicine. The ability to ask how they are doing, being there for them and genuinely caring go a long way. Know that they are just a ball of stress and anything you can do to be the person they want to call first to let loose will really help your relationship. Dating a person in medicine has its ups and downs. It has been worth it for me, but there is no way I would date someone else in medicine again if this relationship falls apart. Good luck!
Thanks! I definitely want to be those things for her I guess I just have to reassure her and let her know what my minimum needs are because I know I can meet her needs. She has already reached out to me plenty of time to vent to and I always listen genuinely.

The post above me is pretty much mine except it's an actual situation instead of a surmised one. Definitely read that one! One thing to not is that there will be variability in the first and second years depending on the school.
Well I'm going to answer this from my perspective. I personally would not be comfortable in a relationship where my hypothetical SO was "busier" than me on a consistent basis. Just as busy would be ideal, but being less busy frankly makes me feel useless. It's not sexist because I accept that it should be able to go the other way as well but I have a feeling that if you're like me, this make you feel a bit unfulfilled
. Also, i know there are some good relationships going on with girls and their non med school bf's out there but frankly, I do think that for these next four years, you will be really in your GFs schedule and there will be times you'll have to support her and she may not be able to reciprocate. Same rules apply if the gender's reversed.
Now, as for the problems you'll face here's a hypothetical timeline based on my experience:
1st year
Starts of like a ton of bricks but for the first couple weeks or 1-2 months it will seem ok/manageable. Then there's a period where you notice they really start ramping up their studying and may have less time for you. Once you get in the thick of it, there's a disturbing trend I see not only in myself but other med students where we literally regress socially (I sure it's reversible but still...). Like you'll try to say hi to someone and they'll be like completely out of it or just awkward in general. Overall It gets better as the first year winds down and summer is great.
2nd year:
This is the year she'll be taking her national board step 1 exam so it'll probably be a busier, more stressful, and kore high stakes year. Maybe I'm not good at time mamagement but there are days where I can barely manage to groom myself, work out, and spend the rest of the time at my desk studying. No breaks last longer than an hour. It gets really stressful and I feel like this may be a challenge. Anticipate this and try to mitigate the problem.

3rd year: I have not experienced this but I think it gets better. 3rd years tell me it's a lot more fulfilling to be in the hospital and most rotations don't require as much time put in. I think I'll mention it here but I think the biggest factor which will determine the business of your significant other is the field they're planning to go into. If it's a competitive one, they'll need to spend more time 2nd year prepping for board, most their time during the first year summer trying to get published, and by studying hardcore for step 2 and shelf exams during 3rd year rotations.

4th year: I hear this is the best year as you have pretty chill things and best of all it's mainly electives. Also, there's lots of travel for interviews so schools lessen the burden. This will be a good year.

Residency: it really depends on the residency. Surgery will probably be many more hours than something like family medicine for example. Also, don't forget to factor in that there's a really good chance you'll be moving within the state or likely out of state to where your gf matches. She's going, she won't have a choice.

Onwards: out of the scope of my knowledge.
Well with my career choice especially right now I will be busy as well because I am going to go for my masters now. But again I will always be much more flexible to see her for last minute plans.
This is something you will really have to talk to her about. First as others have said, it is impossible to guarantee her being able to match into a certain program due to the way the match works. Second, she will most likely want to the train at the program that is the best fit for her and will give her the best experience, that may very well be somewhere that isn't where your job will be. Who knows, that program by you might be crap and she may have zero interest going there, don't just assume since there is a program there that it will really be a viable option. She has been working for this opportunity for a very long time and it is absurdly hard to give up that for a relationship, many many relationships have ended because of this, and it isn't like you guys are already engaged/married. Keep it in mind and talk to her about how you guys may deal with it next year.
I am aware but not really a discussion I want to have with her just yet I am going to wait for the relationship to grow a little and then bring this up.
LDR's suck. There I said it.
They do indeed!

YOU ALREADY MADE A HUGE MISTAKE. This is something you need to talk to her about - not us.
Why are you asking us strangers? Everyone is different. You need to talk to her and ask what you can expect out of her - and expectations will change over time.
I will but I like to collect an idea of what I need to talk about and how I need to address things before I do it!
 
That was my actual experience dating someone from from post first round medical rejection to the end of residency so not surmised. Unless I misunderstood and you meant that you are the med student dating someone outside and trying to give it from the med student experience. Then I apologize for the confusion.

The post above me is pretty much mine except it's an actual situation instead of a surmised one.
 
In addition to the whole "too busy for a family" aspect, there is an often overlooked aspect of the high likelihood of having to forego benefits to your future children. There is very strong evidence of particular positive effects of things like minimum 6-18 months of breastfeeding on cognitive and social development in children. Missing out on "freebie" epigenetic boosters to children should be factored in your talks of future plans. Even the best daycare situations cannot make up for the deficit resulting from two working parents. There is a strange belief that one can perform work and parent at the same time, but is logically false unless the definition of parenting is limited to being a provider of materials and environmental stability.

If you have even a moderate inclination to actually raise children, a lot of work should be done soon to mitigate the problems in the future. If it is acceptable to relinquish responsibility in contributing to the development of your children to your parents, uncles, aunts, or family friends, then good on you for having a positive social network. I'm not as fortunate in that area and would hope to minimize the influence of my family on my future younglings. Good luck sir.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/u...ges-for-children-of-working-mothers.html?_r=0

My mom worked when I was a kid, and I was pretty much left to my own devices. I'm in medical school. My mom stopped working when my sister hit about 6, and she's going to be an engineer. My youngest sister has had a SAHM her whole life and is in high school. We're all equally well adjusted, I'd say, and have done fine.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/u...ges-for-children-of-working-mothers.html?_r=0

My mom worked when I was a kid, and I was pretty much left to my own devices. I'm in medical school. My mom stopped working when my sister hit about 6, and she's going to be an engineer. My youngest sister has had a SAHM her whole life and is in high school. We're all equally well adjusted, I'd say, and have done fine.
That's good that your family is doing much better than the statistical majority in your situation of absentee parent(s). I'm sure you are not saying that there is no difference between "doing fine" and creating as many controllable, optimum conditions possible while you have the luxury of planning, time, and ability to research. I'm sure that the total household income is a big part of why functionally single parenting creates an adverse environment for children. But in a comparable analogy, if forced into an arranged marriage where no divorce is possible, if a man wanted his wife to truly love him, he would have to work much, much harder for that. Children also lack this choice in who their parents are and OP is volunteering to work very hard to make things as good as possible. I'm trying to introduce the idea of actually considering a child's preferences as a way to do that.

It would just be a shame for OP to be thinking this far ahead and focusing on many aspects of continuing the relationship from mostly his and the SO POV and then LATER realizing how important it will be to him that his kids not feel like their parents are choosing to make "excess money" rather than quality time with them. I have had conversations with many of children of various ages about their preferences in how they'd like their family and have generally seen that direct quality time was the most valuable to them. Unfortunately, I haven't figured out how to ask about breastfeeding... (a joke...)
 
That's good that your family is doing much better than the statistical majority in your situation of absentee parent(s). I'm sure you are not saying that there is no difference between "doing fine" and creating as many controllable, optimum conditions possible while you have the luxury of planning, time, and ability to research. I'm sure that the total household income is a big part of why functionally single parenting creates an adverse environment for children. But in a comparable analogy, if forced into an arranged marriage where no divorce is possible, if a man wanted his wife to truly love him, he would have to work much, much harder for that. Children also lack this choice in who their parents are and OP is volunteering to work very hard to make things as good as possible. I'm trying to introduce the idea of actually considering a child's preferences as a way to do that.

It would just be a shame for OP to be thinking this far ahead and focusing on many aspects of continuing the relationship from mostly his and the SO POV and then LATER realizing how important it will be to him that his kids not feel like their parents are choosing to make "excess money" rather than quality time with them. I have had conversations with many of children of various ages about their preferences in how they'd like their family and have generally seen that direct quality time was the most valuable to them. Unfortunately, I haven't figured out how to ask about breastfeeding... (a joke...)
I mean, I never really minded my parents not being around. I was pretty fiercely independent. Every kid is different. What we do know is that the research shows that if OP and his gf stay together and both work, their kids probably won't be wrecked emotionally, and, statistically, will be more educated and successful, particularly if they are female.
 
That's good that your family is doing much better than the statistical majority in your situation of absentee parent(s). I'm sure you are not saying that there is no difference between "doing fine" and creating as many controllable, optimum conditions possible while you have the luxury of planning, time, and ability to research. I'm sure that the total household income is a big part of why functionally single parenting creates an adverse environment for children. But in a comparable analogy, if forced into an arranged marriage where no divorce is possible, if a man wanted his wife to truly love him, he would have to work much, much harder for that. Children also lack this choice in who their parents are and OP is volunteering to work very hard to make things as good as possible. I'm trying to introduce the idea of actually considering a child's preferences as a way to do that.

It would just be a shame for OP to be thinking this far ahead and focusing on many aspects of continuing the relationship from mostly his and the SO POV and then LATER realizing how important it will be to him that his kids not feel like their parents are choosing to make "excess money" rather than quality time with them. I have had conversations with many of children of various ages about their preferences in how they'd like their family and have generally seen that direct quality time was the most valuable to them. Unfortunately, I haven't figured out how to ask about breastfeeding... (a joke...)


Most of us had at least one absentee parent due to work or immigration issues beyond their control and all of us are mostly okay. When I was younger I had some resentment about it, but now as a grown up/professional, I understand why that happened and have gotten over it
 
Who honestly thinks of a working parent as an absentee parent? Having both parents work is not some tragic event that you need therapy to overcome. It's kind of the basic pretty much everywhere. (Among both wealthy and less well off families).
 
Sexist to say that mothers have an inherent ability to provide a specific commodity to an infant... pretty large chip on someone's shoulder, no? Might even be kettle-cooked.

Second, Jack's "link" is still an N=1 that uses a pretty bold claim (specifically girls) without even a hint to the evidence for that claim. I'm guessing it has to do with how boys are typically more kinesthetic and visual learners which clashes with traditional schooling methods. That is very valid. I did not ask for evidence after because his overall premise was based on how kids are different and he specifically acknowledged that his temperament is not necessarily the same as other people with similar experiences.


Yah actually, that is sexist. And potentially homophobic.

Unless you're talking about breastmilk, but still, because pumping is a thing.
 
I find the fact that this thread has turned to a discussion on breast-feeding pretty amusing.

Not sure how feasible it is for OP to make decisions about his current situation based on such hypotheticals, but my advice is to do what you have been doing, which is trying to figure out whether being with this person is worth the sacrifices that you know will come with dating a medical student/ resident/ physician. Several people have already given you a good idea of what that might look like.

That may even mean a LDR (done it and survived), as terrible as it sounds.

But, if she's worth it, you will put up with it. Good people that you can truly call your life partner are really not that easy to find, IMO.
 
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