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Just took UHS tour!

Discussion in 'Medical Students - DO' started by 12R34Y, Jun 15, 2001.

  1. 12R34Y

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    I just got back from a tour at UHS in K.C. and it was very impressive! There were only three of us touring and we got a lot of questions answered by a third year med student. The school is located in the ghetto, it is a nasty neighborhood, but once you are inside the gates of the school it's like an oasis. The facilities are beautiful! Everything was very new and modern and CLEAN. The anatomy lab was state of the art and I wasn't discouraged by anything that I saw on the campus. All of the students we met were very friendly and outgoing it seemed.

    Overall, I was very very impressed by the school and our tourguide gave us a OMT demonstration in the lab and lets just say that my back feels wonderful.

    Great experience and I give two thumbs up to UHS.

    later
     
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  3. electra

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    I guess compared to Overland Park, the school is in the ghetto, but please.....I live in CA and that area doesn't look very different from parts of every city in the state. The campus is gated and patrolled by security...ran into Nelson on Saturday morning before 9am.

    glad you liked it...I loved it and am attending this fall.....
     
  4. mompremed

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    Electra,

    You go girl! Hey, I really enjoyed meeting you all last night! I wanted to invite you all over, but I but since you were waiting for Deanna, I decided to go on since Kristy was also ready to go. Did Deanna and her friends ever show up?

    Well, let me know when you and Holly come to town to set up housekeeping and I'll take you for a walk/bike/run along River Front Park and Gladstone Blvd. They're really neat places.

    I made a post in response to Hope 2001's request for housing over in UHS Housing thread, but I'm about ready to burst in frustration over people's misconception that UHS is in the ghetto. And Overland Park people are the worst in perpetuating that myth. They give a ton of lip service to "multiculturalism" (their superintendant of schools is an East Indian - or was a couple of years ago) and as a community they're always involved in "educating" the rest of the area about the special wonders of it. But if they happen to accidentally SEE a bit of real "color" they just get totally freaked out. That in spite of the fact that the true ghetto is directly across from Overland Park about 50-70 blocks plus terraces south of UHS - only about 20 blocks or less from Overland Park and MUCH less from Westport/Plaza. (Guess where they go to plunder and maim?!) Which is the reason the Westport/Plaza/KU Med/Overland Park areas have so much more crime and theft than the Northeast, where UHS is.

    Egads!!!!!! Once and for all everybody, UHS is NOT in the ghetto....it IS in the "inner city" meaning close to downtown, which is being actively revitalized. Heck, I can't possibly afford to live in some of the homes/apt/lofts not 10 blocks from UHS. You WILL see some poor people, immigrants, and an occasional streetwalker. But many people believe it is the next Brookside, and it sports beautiful mansions that rival some in Mission Hills (this for the O.P. residents since they will know what THAT means!)....and it is SAFE!!!!! Safer than Overland Park, safer than Westport, safer than the Plaza, Raytown, Independence, Grandview, KU Med (KCK), unless you're a drug dealer or a "lady of the night" - but if that's your occupation you're at risk no matter where you are. If you don't believe me, call the Ad Hoc Committee for Crime and Check it Out!

    It is AS safe as Northland, Blue Springs and Lee's Summit - at the very least - but MUCH cheaper and vastly closer to school than any of those areas. The only really bad thing about it is the school district, and there are no malls. So if you don't have kids and since no one has time to shop in med school anyway, it's a safe, affordable option for a lot of students.

    There is also some truly great nightlife when you do have time. Heck, half the license plates in the Westport/Plaza/River Front/Downtown areas are from Johnson County (Kansas puts the county on the plates, so you know where people hail from!) There's a reason for that....in the long run, people do seem to gravitate to the places with real character. Well guess what, UHS is already THERE!

    Cheers,

    Mompremed
     
  5. Batory

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    Hey kids,

    Good meeting everyone! Deanna showed up a fewminutes after you all left, as I was walking out the door. But no worries...we will hit the bars again in August!

    For this thread...you guys are on it. The streets around UHs are kinda run down, but if you go a few blocks further you see an downtowm neighborhood that really cares about the community. There are some old project homes, where some people don't want to take care of their lawn, but you find that everywhere. I'm still looking for a place, but I know it will be in the neighborhood.
    That's all for now...one more biochem class to go!
     
  6. mompremed

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    Well, I feel a little more rational today, so sorry for the previous tirade! :oops: I'm just so weary of the "attitude" toward this area that seems to be perpetuated on these boards, and from people who don't even know the area! :eek:

    So from now on, I will try my best to keep my mouth shut, but if anyone needs any help finding safe, affordable housing close to UHS, email me. UHS also has a listing of places close by....I don't think they would recommend places nearby if they thought students' lives would be endangered.....sigh. :rolleyes:

    Cheers,

    Mompremed
     
  7. mompremed

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    Oh, and as a P.S. (which I will also post in the UHS Housing thread), anyone coming to check out housing close to UHS is welcome to email me and I will be happy to meet with you and give you a short tour of the area, where the nicest neighborhoods and walking paths are, etc.

    Mompremed
     
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    Mompremed, I just emailed you re housing around UHS. My girlfriend and I are coming to KC this weekend to meet with our realtor and look at houses. She's not to keen on showing us houses near the campus' neighborhood. I'd like to at least see some houses and the neighborhoods near the school!
     
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    mompremed,

    It WAS a lot of fun, and a great way to round out the weekend, meeting you and several other people. looking forward to a great year....

    e
     
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    mompremed,

    It WAS a lot of fun, and a great way to round out the weekend, meeting you and several other people. looking forward to a great year....

    e
     
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    Mompremed,

    First of all, the area is not good at all. I am a paramedic in Johnson County and I can tell you that it is MUCH safer in Overland Park than UHS area. I have only run 3 shootings in Overland Park in three years and I saw two drive-bys on the news in the last week in the area around UHS!! It is a run down neighborhood and if it is soooo safe then why did the third year who gave the tour say that "NO one lives here". They all live elsewhere. he said that security escorts you to your car after midnight and that you do not want to be out walking around by yourself after dark. I DO KNOW the area and there is a lot of gang activity! There is little to none in Overland park and johnson county. I'm not trying to say anything about the safety of the school, or bashing the people who live there. Last year they did a special on FOX4 news about the worst and dangerous places in the city and some of the intersections around "UHS area " were in the top 5!!

    I was very impressed with the school and the people there and would not hesitate to go there, but I definately would not live there. The people at UHS agreed that it is not a nice area and I think they of all people are qualified to say that. Of course I'm not comparing it to L.A. or chicago, but those are huge cities and it is all relative.

    later
     
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    Hey y'all-

    I'll be moving up there around the end of July (so that I can attend that week-long get-back-into-the-swing-of-things), and would love to meet some of you. Maybe we can get a group together and go to a Royals game, or Worlds of Fun or Oceans of Fun (I will live 2 minutes from the theme parks). Also, I wouldn't mind going out to a few bars before it all starts either! I'd like to find me a good "waterin' hole" that I can go and have a few coldies and shots of Jager after a grueling week of studying. Give me an e-mail at [email protected]

    Later UHS brethren!
    -Nathan Box
     
  13. mompremed

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    12R34Y,

    You have just made the point I have made in several other places on these boards: the worst part of the Northeast is directly adjacent to UHS itself. But further in (north and east) of UHS some of the neighborhoods are spectacular. I live in a $260K home and the home next to me is for sale for $395K. Doctors and attorneys also live over here, some only 6 blocks away from the school! (One physician that I work with is only a block from you, Electra!)

    As for the supposed "safety" of Johnson county - what about the two women who were carved up in front of their apt's - 3 hours apart at the same apts - at ~109th and Metcalf? That was in the news last week. I have lived in and raised my children not 3 blocks from UHS - for 20 years - and I have NEVER heard of that happening over here. Nor have I ever been afraid to walk out to my car in the middle of the night. (They do occasionally find the body of a prostitute dumped in one of the parks over here, however.) Also, I had one car stolen once in all that time. My father-in-law had cars stolen 4 times in JoCo in a 10-yr period! And I have a friend who lives in JoCo who has actually SEEN a "drive-by" shooting at 67th and Nall. She was terrified! Having lived in this neighborhood 20+ years I have never experienced that! And over all this time I have gotten gas, milk, etc. at the 7-11 across from UHS, at all hours of the day and night and never seen anything but a little ethnicity. O.K., well, a LOT of ethnicity! But I've never been afraid for my life! Nor have I ever been accosted.

    And the 3rd year may "think" no UHS student lives here, but he/she is wrong. I know/have known many, MANY UHS students who have lived here over the years. Several live 3 doors down from me right now. As for gang activity, I have never experienced that in the TRUE Northeast. Unfortunately, the News media lumps everything 20-30 blocks south in with the Northeast, and that just isn't so.

    And I've got news for you: my friend who lives in Overland Park won't walk alone at night right by her house - her husband is even afraid for her to drive by herself at night there. But up on Gladstone Blvd I see women walking their dogs late at night all the time. (I probably wouldn't walk ANYwhere in the world late at night by myself without a good dog!)

    You may think you know the Northeast, my friend, but there are many neighborhoods over here that I doubt you can even afford to live in without at LEAST a doctor's wages! A perfectly restored Queen Anne mansion on Garfield (4 blocks from the school) recently sold for ~$900K. Believe me, people paying that much for a home WILL take care of the neighborhood!

    Oh, and by the way, the true Northeast - the part that is in the National Historic Registry - is East of Maple Blvd, North of Independence Ave. and West of Belmont. That doesn't include UHS, but the school itself is very committed to bringing this community back to it's former beauty. And the KC city fathers and mothers are working hard to revitalize the urban core, not just the Old Northeast, but also the River Market and downtown as well. Cliff Drive is now part of the National Scenic Byways and money is pouring into the community. The motels are going down, and some feel this will be another Brookside, though I personally feel it will be more like Hyde Park. And UHS itself IS a "mover and shaker" in all these improvements.

    The hardest part in recovering the urban core is fighting the misconception brought about by "white flight" to begin with. It takes truly committed community leaders, of which UHS is but one, but I sincerely believe that KC will not go the path of St. Louis, Chicago and others, because some of the richest history of Kansas City (without which Johnson County would never have existed!) resides in this; the oldest and possibly the most beautiful, residential neighborhood in the entire Kansas City area!

    Cheers,

    Mompremed
     
  14. mompremed

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    Hey, I just realized I am now a Senior Member! Yeah!

    Mompremed
     
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    mompremed,

    Unfortunately, you are not in the field as a paramedic, police officer, firefighter etc....to actually see how dismal the area around UHS is. MOst of the murders and rapes, and gang activity is never even placed in the news papers. I know this for a fact. However, in Johnson county where it is incredibly rare to have gang activity anything that even resembles something bad is all over the news!! You mentioned the stabbing incidents in Overland Park recently. Those are 2 ISOLATED incidents that could occur anywhere. OH, and one drive-by at 67 and Nall. Wow, I stand corrected Johnson county is horrible. However, the area around UHS has a gang unit that responds with all EMS crews at night. Funny, Johnson county doesn't have ANY such thing as a gang unit since there is no need for one. Wierd.........
    I'm not bashing the beautiful homes NEAR the area and I'm sure many people are happy there, but to say that it is a nice, white-picket fenced neighborhood is a blatant lie.

    I'm glad to see that you are trying to get the neighborhood together and that is great, but right now it is still a moderately dangerous inner city area. NO if's and or butts.

    later
     
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    Since the previous post, I have been on the phone for 2 days with community leaders (which include UHS) and police officers, as well as Fox 4 News. Then I worked a turnaround into a double at a nearby hospital, so I haven't been able to post the results of my investigation until now. Since I been very vocal about the "relative" safety of the community where UHS is located, having been a resident for 20+ years, I wanted to be sure I wasn't misleading anyone, as the previous poster has "suggested." So I have taken time out of my extremely busy schedule to contact all the people and officials "in the know" and the results have convinced me that this is indeed a great place to live, so I am stepping up my efforts to purchase a home in the area. For those interested (and concerned as to whether they will have to worry about whether they will be risking their lives when they walk out to their cars, most of which are parked outside the "oasis,")the results are as follows:

    First I called Fox 4 News. They insisted they did not know anything about a special saying that the intersections around UHS being among the "worst and dangerous" in the city. (What they DID run will be clarified later.)

    Then I called UHS Student Affairs Office. The young woman I talked to said that the only problem they have had in the 4 years she has worked there, is that when the students walk across the street to the 7-11 or Scimeca's (renowned for its Italian sausage), twice it was reported that a bum asked for money. She strongly concurred that the school would not give out a list of nearby residences for students if they believed it was dangerous, and invited incoming students to call if they were concerned.

    Next I called the Kansas City Action Line and they gave me a number to the KC Police Dept, Central Patrol Division, which covers the area around UHS. I talked to a Sgt. Hayes who said that the only real problems around UHS and the surrounding area these days was petty theft (keep your car locked and don't leave your laptop or purse lying on the seat with the window open) and prostitution (that one's a no-brainer.)

    Then I talked to Sue who is the contact person for the East Patrol Citizens' Crusade Against Crime (the East Patrol takes up where Central Patrol leaves off; it also covers the Northeast where a lot of UHS students live.) She, along with all previous contacts, was appalled that this misinformation was being spread on the internet. She goes to monthly meetings presented by officers in East Patrol, and no such thing as 12R34Y is saying has really been the case. The last drive-by shooting IN THE AREA was >3 yrs ago and it was ~20 blocks east and ~20 blocks south of UHS (the TRUE ghetto, as I have described elsewhere in this forum.) It was also specifically drug-related, not a "random act of violence." She recommended I call Kathy at the Northeast Crime Watch, which covers the area around UHS, so I did.

    Kathy confirmed everything all the others up to this point had said, stating that the biggest problems for some years have been auto theft and people stealing things out of cars. Almost all of these are due to people leaving their car keys in and not locking their cars. She also stated that a large Vietnamese auto theft ring operating out of the Northeast was just broken. Guess where they were stealing cars from? You guessed it -- Johnson County. (You might say JoCo can rest a little easier because of the diligence of the citizens and police dept. in the Northeast - what a dichotomy!) She is a single woman living in this area for 12+ years and states she has never been afraid since she is not involved in drugs or prostitution.

    Per Kathy's recommendation, I then talked to the contact person for Cops on the Beat (COB) which is a part of the Northeast Mobile Crime Watch serving the Central Patrol Division, Kathleen. Kathleen also concurred with the others, but she seemed the most knowledgeable and stated that although there was possibly some gang "congregating," the police and community were keeping very close tabs and there has been no gang activity for many years. (By the way, per the police officers, this is a problem at all the malls as well, including the ones in Johnson County.) She also pointed out there have been driveby shootings in Northtown (across the river) and as is typical, everyone in KC confuses the 2 areas. (I wondered why we were getting so many gunshot victims from the northland: I work in the ICU which gets all the gunshots at the hospital in Northtown and when Truman closes.) She gave me the names and numbers of the officers "on the beat" that are REALLY in the know and following is the result of those conversations.

    Major Zimmerman is the main contact person for the Northeast. She is part of the Central Patrol Division and has been active in the community for some time. She was very upset that this misinformation was being spread (as were all the others, heretofore) and she gave my name and number to the police officers *directly* involved in the area surrounding UHS, who subsequently called me.

    Sgt. Soligo is the Crime Prevention Officer for the Central Patrol Division. She was very adamant that this area has vastly improved over what it was 15 years ago. She again affirmed that the major crime problem in the Northeast is petty theft and auto theft (where isn't it?) She stressed her willingness to come to the school and discuss how to keep your valuables safe. She also encouraged incoming UHS students to call her at 816-759-6328 and she will be happy to talk to you personally. She is also the crime analyst officer, and she strongly feels that this area is as safe as any other to live. (Including Johnson County.)

    Then Officer Shriver called me, and he is one of the officers that is actually part of the "gang unit" described by 12R34Y, and here is the real story. The gov't gave a grant to provide officers to straighten out the projects, Riverview and Guinotte. (These were bequeathed to this community by the "white flight" mentality as evidenced by 12R34Y.) Riverview is the projects north and directly adjacent to UHS. There are 4 full-time officers whose job it is to PREVENT gang activity and they are doing a bang-up job doing it. (So-to-speak!)

    Officer Shriver has been "riding" this beat for ~15 years and he gave me some interesting insight. One thing he asked me, if this was such a dangerous neighborhood, why are ~20 students jogging in/through the area on a regular basis - almost every day? Also, he has a written copy of the Fox 4 News special on his desk, and he said that although it starts out with the "sensational," it is actually a very positive report as to the incredible improvements that have been made in 15 years. He is willing to show that report to anyone who wants to see it. He also said that during those 15 years he has never had women randomly knifed like the ones just reported in Johnson County - not in the projects, nor anywhere in or around the Northeast.

    Here is a short re-cap of what he and his fellow officers have done through the "Weed and Seed" program grants:

    One-strike you're out is strictly enforced.

    Safety Committee with citizen participation (of the projects)

    Welfare-to-work programs: if people don't work they have to do SOMETHING constuctive - like certified volunteer and/or community service. (Sounds like medschool candidates!) This is a Clinton-era thing and a big help.

    Also, Major Zimmerman and Sgt. Soligo told me that Officer Shriver and the others working with him "on the beat" have been awarded all kinds of awards for the work they have done with the youth of these projects. Officer Shriver gave me his beaper # and would love incoming UHS students to call (I'm assuming when you're in town since it's his beeper) it is:

    816-346-3891

    He ESPECIALLY wants 12R34Y to call him as he is anxious to set him straight on the REAL scoop, from someone who literally has his finger on the pulse of what is going on around UHS!

    It was interesting to me that the closer I got to people actually (directly!) involved with the "nitty-gritty" of the area, the more upset they were that this misinformation was being pandered here. The police officers specifically stated that what 12R34Y said was an "untruth" (a blatant lie?) All of the police and community leaders are particularly fond of and supportive where UHS students are concerned. Some of the older residents will only allow UHS students to rent from them.

    Every single person I have talked to concurred that what we are dealing with here is the typical "Johnson County hysteria" that we are SO used to (and sick of!) in KCK, KCMO and even Clay and Platte Counties up north.

    Please be aware that I have NEVER said, or even intimated that this is a "white picket-fenced" community, and in all fairness, I do understand why people coming from a sterile, suburban area might experience massive "culture shock" when visiting UHS for the first time. You will see the Somalians in their native dress, the Arabs in theirs, the Sudanese and their extremely dark African skin. You will see the typical African-American "jiving" on the street corners around UHS, and occasional "bum" begging money. You will also see prostitutes on the Avenue in front of the school, as I have said in other threads. If these things are offensive and/or scary to you, I strongly suggest you not go into medicine as all the med schools and residencies are situated in inner cities, and even ghettos. And since UHS is especially involved in administering health and healing in this community....well, you decide; because no matter where you end up practicing in the long run, you WILL end up risking your life to learn your craft.

    But if you dig a little deeper, you will also see a community that has been fighting to recover itself from the devastation left by "white flight," which some feel is a bigger blight on the larger community than the ghetto itself - and winning.

    If you come to UHS, what you will NOT see, is drive-by shootings, and you do not need to fear being raped or murdered when you walk out to your car. If drive-by shootings were really occuring, it would hardly matter if a security guard were escorting you, anyway. And Johnson County Community College (and all the colleges, hospitals and large corporations) have security escorts available as well. This used to be a dangerous area, maybe 15 yrs ago or so according to Officer Shriver and all the others I talked to, but now it is probably not as dangerous as the Westport/Plaza area, and not really any more dangerous than Johnson County and Northland or anywhere else in the world. Not one person I talked to felt that UHS students had anything to fear by living/working/going to school here.

    It may FEEL threatening at first if you're not used to being in a culturally mixed neighborhood, but you'll find that around almost every med school in the nation, and you'd better get used to it if you plan on doing a residency anywhere. I don't know of any residency that is not in a large, multicultural urban center. There may be some, but very few I imagine.

    Again, both Sgt. Soligo and Officer Shriver asked me to give out their phone #'s and encourage anyone to call them. They will be happy to talk to you all.

    Mompremed
     
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    mompremed-

    I just had to reply because I've never seen anyone go into so much depth about the security issues of UHS. :D Wow. Thanks for spending all of that time to get some details on the issue. It was very interesting. Welcome to UHS, and I look forward to meeting you in the Fall.

    Sara
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    Sara,

    Thanks! My involvement in this is not entirely altruistic, although being familiar with and having lived in the area for many years, it just seemed natural to get the real facts, for myself as well as others. I am looking to buy a house over here after a 3-yr absence from the area, (I lived in Westport/KU Med area during that time) and I have been encouraged by the improvements that have been made even since then. I lived and raised my kids here when the projects really were the projects and the apts next to us were Section-8 drug houses. I wasn't afraid then, and I can't imagine being afraid now, now that all of that is cleaned up!

    I will not be able to attend UHS this fall because I couldn't get all the extra Biology in, but I hope to go next fall. The results of my investigation were very reassuring to me and I plan to become actively involved in community organizations after I finish my degree in December. I am making an offer on a house today, and Drewdo and his S.O. made one yesterday, I believe. (How did that go, Drewdo?) You should see the totally awesome house they bid on!! Let's just say, you want to be Drewdo's friend, so maybe he'll invite you over! ;)

    I am so looking forward to getting to know and working with my future colleagues! UHS is my first and only choice, so I for sure don't want to give out wrong information. I hope everyone has a great year as MS1's, and I hope to join you all next year!

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    Hey SD!!! How's you're summer going?

    Is there something about your status at UHS that you're not telling or would you just rather graduate a year late? (Look at your signature!)

    Hope all's going well, see ya soon!

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    Hey mompremed! The house stuff went great! We got the one we wanted. We both really really appreciate you showing us around the neighborhood and giving us all the history and crime reports, etc. You really boosted our confidence and enthusiasm about living in the area. We'll be closing on our house in mid-July. It comes complete with in-ground pool, gazebo, sunroom, awesome kitchen, etc etc. I can't wait to move in!! The neighborhood is great, too. The houses in that neighborhood have been appreciating fast! Our buying price was about 35K more than what the current owners paid only ten months ago!! (Of course we may be suckers, but the house was worth it!) And the best part is that it will only be a bike ride distance to school! Thanks again, mompremed.
     
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    Hey! It was great meeting everyone a few weeks ago! I'm so excited I've found the most important requirement for medical students....DRINKING BUDDIES! lol....Next time we are hitting Southwest Blvd for better Margarita's! The more the merrier. I believe Margarita's has Taco Tuesday with cheap tacos and drinks!

    Keep in touch and let me know if you need any help.

    Kristina

    Batory...Looking forward to bantering this fall...if you can take it. Drive by "the Lakes" once for me! Now I'm homesick for MN. :(
     
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    premedmom....

    shouldn't you be working on homework for those demanding computer classes?
     
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    Hey everyone!

    I'm glad to see that some of you have found some nice places to go and throw back a few. I will be moving up in late July (Bennington Ridge apts.) and would like to meet some of you and go out to Westport or something. Are any of you going to the non-mandatory week of review July 30- August 3? I'll here from you all later.

    -Nathan
     
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    For anyone starting UHS in the fall, or soon-to-be second years, I have a slice of life setup that I bought from someone in the class before me. It is very helpful for path to have one at home and avoid having to use the machines at school. If you are interested I would be willing to sell it for what I paid. E-mail me if interested. I will be in KC until the end of July. Thanks.

    (I know this probably belongs in a different forum, but more people read this one.)
     
  26. mompremed

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    Hey Drewdo, that's great news! It was great meeting you too, and I will expect an invite to your first official pool party, even though I won't be starting until next fall, assuming all goes well! ;) I placed a bid on that house I showed you, yesterday, and so far it looks pretty good. Since I'll just be few blocks away, maybe I'll get a bike and next year we can have a whole "pack" of UHS students biking to school, sans bad weather of course. (You'll not find me biking in rain, sleet or snow!)

    Kristy,

    That's MOMpremed to you -- not premedmom! Let's get it straight, girl! Don't take liberties with my online "personna" just because you know who I really am! :D (Just kidding, as they say; call me anything, but don't call me late for dinner, ha! ha! ;) ) I guess next year I'll have to leave the "pre" part altogether, huh?!

    But I have to disagree with you about the margueritas - Manny's makes absolutely THE BEST margueritas in the whole city, bar none! (Maybe we should go there Wednesday night to test it!)

    Cheers,

    Mompremed
     
  27. Julie

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    Hi UHS Class of 2005!

    I am UHS Class of 2004 and I have lived in KC all my life. I used to post all the time last year and this is how I meet many of my future classes mates. I just wanted to post and say congrats to everyone coming to UHS in the fall and also add to the debate bewteen mompremed and 12R34Y. I will start by saying I completely understand where mompremed is coming from. I grow up in South Kansas City and recieve many of the same miss guided opinions about the area I grow up in. I would like to add a disclaimer that I have really enjoyed my first year at UHS and at no time have I or anyone I know felt that they were in any kind of danger. But don't down play that people need to be cautious around UHS. I know for a fact that last year on campus we had two cars stolen. One from the ford lot (which is where they are tearing down the building across from the school) and one from the 2nd year parking lot across from the school. We also had some minor things stolen on campus(but that could have been anyboby, even a fellow student) I would recommend people just use common sense. Don't go out running in the neighborhood directly around campus after dark ( And I will say that I can do that in my neighbor where I live in Lee's Summit) But I will also say that many of the students go running in the morning or afternoon around school. Also it has been rummored (sorry didn't have time to really look into it) that they are redoing the old hospital building across for the school. The top is suppost to be apts. for students and in the bottom is going to be some of the kc police's offices. That would make the area safer. Also I know some students live right down Independance ave. in some apt. (less than 5mins from school) and ride then bike sometimes to school. It just matters what you are comfortable with.
    Well I'll stop rambling, If anyone has any questions about the first year just email me.





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    Hey flipper! Okay, okay, I'm a ******. Fortunately for me, and for the new 1st years, I have moved on to the 2nd year. You'll have to put up with me for at least another year. Heehee. I have been working on some 1st year (2005) stuff (aka notepool) and had Class of 2005 stuck in my head. Wow. Maybe I should go see that psych. That first year really did me in.

    How's my summer going?! I slept in till 11am yesterday. :) flipper-email me!

    Sara
    UHS Class of 2004 :D
     
  29. Batory

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    Mompremed,

    Hey, what a coincidence, Drewdo and I went to the same undergrad...so now you have met two Johnnies! (I'll explain later) Not that being from the same alma mater gives me a ticket to the mansion...but sounds like a great house Drew!

    I'm still looking for a place too, so if you hear of anything in the neighborhood give me a holler. I sent out a message looking for a roomie or two, and Holly is going to send me the listings so hopefully it will all come together.

    I anyone else is still looking to live near school, give me a yell.

    Kristina...anytime, anywhere. And the BWCA was awesome last week. Not a drop of rain! Next week, waterskiing!
     
  30. mompremed

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    Julie,
    Everyone I talked to said that petty theft and auto theft were the only real problems in the Northeast now, unless you're into drugs and prostitution! The head of UHS security called me today and I sent him an email with my LONG post attached, as he was very interested and concerned. Let me remind everyone: almost EVERY incident of theft involved people not being "smart" about locking up their stuff/car, or leaving an expensive item in full view on the car seat, etc. Sgt. Soligo encouraged me to let you all know that she would love to come to the school and talk to the students about what to look for and how to minimize theft/vandalism, etc. I told James this as well, so maybe he'll get the ball rolling.

    As for Lee's Summit being safe to walk in alone after dark (as a woman!), you might be right about that (Lee's Summit, but Blue Springs even more would come closest to what I would consider unequivocably "safe", as well as Platte City and Parkville), but I personally would not feel safe walking anywhere alone after dark - but as you said, it's what you're used to. I've lived in KC for so long (Northeast, Westport, Plaza, KU Med) it might take years of living in a "bedroom" community for me to feel safe walking alone after dark: I've read and heard of way too many people being killed in even remote areas! :eek: But again, that's just me! Although every police officer I talked to agreed with me, maybe they're just paranoid, too, having seen so much.

    And thanks for affirming that you don't have to worry about being the victim of a drive-by shooting as you walk out to your car after class!

    Batory,
    If the contract on my house goes through, I may be out of my 2BR flat by as early as July 15th or so, hopefully by Aug. 1st at the latest. I'm about 2+ blocks closer to the school than Drewdo, on the same main "drag." It rents for $700/month, water & garbage paid, and it's a good (comfortable!) biking distance from UHS.
    It's really nice, and a nice, quiet neighborhood. Let me know if you're interested.

    Cheers,

    Mompremed
     
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    Mompremed, good luck on your house!! Let us know what happens.

    Batory - It'll be great to have another Johnnie on campus this fall! I'll let you know if I hear of anything in the area.

    Nathan - I'm not sure if I'll be up that week or not - I don't think I'll actually be moving into the house until that first weekend in August. It would sure be nice to hook up with some 2005'ers and hit the watering holes. Of course I hope to be hosting some pool parties as well!!

    See all y'all soon!!
     
  32. 12R34Y

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    Well mompremed,

    i have to hand it to you......you definately did your research. I believe we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this issue. I understand your frustration with the "johnson county folks" badmouthing the area, but you have to understand that coming from a rural setting in iowa all of my life and then coming to Johnson County for my adult life then going to visit UHS is quite a change. NOt for the better in my opinion.

    I will be contacting the officer whose number you gave and I will confront him about the amount of violent crime that occurs around UHS. I haven't met a community police officer yet who would badmouth his own beat. his whole purpose as a community officer is to dispell fear and provide support and comfort for the community. he was doing his job in telling you that everything is fine. I'm glad he is there it provide this kind of comfort for individuals living there, but I can't ignore the fact that when you say the words I-70 and Paseo people cringe because of the area it is in.

    Have you ever stopped to think that you living there for 20 years has acclimated you to the area? After living anywhere for 20 years is of course going to make you feel comfortable in any environment regardless of how it is? right?

    when i started this post I was being honest and there are many people who have grown up in rural areas or in suburubia and when they come to see UHS it MIGHT be a surprise. Trust me in that i'm not the only one to feel this way. I've been on these boards for about 1.5 years and numerous times when posts about UHS came up comments about the neighborhood were made. I'm not the only one.

    The third year medical students who gave our tour at UHS were less than enthused about the area also. Understand that people who have not lived in the area for 20 years may not feel the same safety that you do. Not many suburban areas have all concrete apartment complexes with graffiti all over them etc... the whole neighborhood looks rough. No if's ands or buts!

    BOTTOM LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    UHS IS A PHENOMENAL SCHOOL. I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH IT AND IT'S FACILITIES. I WOULD NOT HESITATE TO ATTEND AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYBODY TO VISIT THE FACILITY AND MAKE THEIR OWN OPINIONS.

    I just think the neighborhood is less than desirable.

    I'm not going to debate this issue anymore. I'm just giving my opinion.

    I also want to say that i respect and applaud your effort to dispel myths about the area. The area needs more people like you in order to make it even nicer.

    later
     
  33. Kristina

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    granniepremed...

    Read the UHS 2005 topic and help Frangi for me please. He is coming to town in July and is in need of housing assistance! I referred him to the expert on the subject :)

    Batory, I also told him you were looking for a roommate. I'm sure you'd find my attempts at waterskiing humorous! LOL! By the way, I thought there was a law about two Johnnies living in the same city?

    Nathan..what non-mandatory review? I'm offically not reviewing anything until August 20th! There will be plenty of time for studying later! I'm going to enjoy what is left of the summer! Please remind me of this statement during our first test block when I am stressed!

    For all UHSer's I started a UHS 2005 topic to hopefully plan a night out or two before school starts. If your interested...check it out and let me know the date you can attend!

    Thanks
     
  34. mompremed

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    12R34Y,

    I think we agree more than you think. Many times I have said it will be a "culture shock" for many because the neighborhood does "look rough" in places, especially right around UHS, but looks can be, and in this case, are deceiving. I guess the point we'll have to agree to disagree on is that it isn't dangerous to work, live and go to school here, contrary to popular belief.

    This is not because of the police, but because of the strong Italian influence that made itself felt in a dramatic way over 30 years ago when the projects came in. (I'll email the story if you like.) That is what deflected the true ghetto south, and of course the police can't say that, as it's not "P.C." but believe me, everyone who lives in the area knows it. It is also why my "comfort level" is and has been higher here than in Westport, and WAY higher than, say, 35th and Prospect.

    In all the years I have lived here, the only drive-bys I have heard of were mafia-related and specifically targeted (no offense to any of Italian descent!), and even those are a thing of the past. Also, as the officers said, there may be some gang graffiti around - also in Westport - but there is no real gang activity in the Northeast. Why? 10-15 years ago (don't remember the exact date) a stray bullet meant for an opposing gang accidentally met up with someone of Italian descent. Believe me, justice was swift and precise - and effective. Whatever people may think of the Italian method of justice, you can't deny that it works! Of course the police can't tell anyone THAT, but most people living here know.

    I do realize not everyone would feel comfortable living near the school, and I have actually privately advised people from these boards on other places to live in the area. I also came from "suburbia" and probably could not have lived here in the first place had it not been for living in places like L.A. and San Francisco. But it trully is not nearly as dangerous as you seemed to say at first - so much of that really IS myth, and you can understand why people get upset when those myths are perpetuated by people who don't know the area.

    This will never be a Johnson County or Parkville, but some of us think that is a GOOD thing! Take a drive up Gladstone Blvd and up Garfield, north of Independence Ave and over to Pendleton Ave. This IS Kansas City history and it's worth fighting to save. People ARE fighting to completely restore the area, and winning awards doing it - and not just the Northeast, but the whole urban core. Which is just one of the reasons I love Kansas City so much!

    Hey! If they can bring Harlem back, there's surely hope for KC!

    There is one point we can agree completely on - that is that UHS is phenomenal!

    So to anyone else reading this down the road: don't be afraid to come to school here, but lock your cars and hide your valuables. There are a lot of poor people in the area, but it's probably not any more dangerous than the area around KU Med, and not nearly as dangerous as the area around UMKC School of Medicine (Truman West.) The guards at Truman all pack guns if that tells you anything! Yet professors and doctors live close by there in the Longfellow district!

    If you're used to/not afraid of an urban environment, there are many awesome places to live close-by UHS, and much cheaper than other places - though that is starting to change as home values are starting to skyrocket! (Right, Drewdo?)

    Cheers,

    Mompremed
     
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    O.K. - Kristina - I'll help Frangi if he wants me too, but now you owe me a marguerita - at Manny's - for sure! :D Just because my son is getting married next week doesn't mean I'm a grandma - yet! I really would prefer not to be one until after med school, FYI! ;)

    I'll see you at Manny's, girl! :D :D :D :D :D

    Mompremed

    p.s. Since I'm not starting UHS this fall, am I even allowed to post over in UHS 2005? ;)
     
  36. mompremed

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    And now I really must know - what ARE Johnnies? :confused:

    Mompremed
     
  37. flipper

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    mompremed -

    I don't see the relevance of the guards at Truman carrying guns....so do the guards at UHS. I see this as peace officers being prepared for any situation. Maybe its this preparedness that in it's self helps to curb crime in the neighborhood.

    I'm a soon to be MSII at UHS and have never had any problems in the area around the school, except for an occasional solicitation for a date from "Dixie", one of the well known "ladies" of the area!!

    I believe that most areas are safe as long as common sense prevails. While I will readily walk/jog/bike anywhere in the northeast during daylight, there are many places that I should avoid at night, both near the school, in my neighborhood north of the river, as well as areas in Johnson County. My problem is that I'm just a dumba** redneck recently moved to the big city from very rural West Texas and my inner city common sense is neglible at best!

    As always I enjoy the friendly banter found on Studentdoctor.net and wish success for all the new as well as near future (read mompremed here!) students. Should anyone need advice on school districts, housing, restaurants, etc., north of the river feel free to email me and I'll get with you ASAP.

    Look forward to meeting all of y'all soon....

    Eric J
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    mompremed,

    Okay, we can DEFINATELY AGREE on another thing!!! 39th and Prospect is WAY worse than UHS's neighborhood.

    Oh, and another thing........I appreciate your maturity in debating this issue and ending it quite politely. I enjoy conversation on this board, but some just get nasty and a huge fight breaks out. Good luck with the neighborhood and I'm sure it will get better and better. good luck at UHS also.


    later
     
  39. mompremed

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    Well, I did not know that the guards at UHS carry guns, but I think I just meant that most med schools are in "less than desirable" neighborhoods, and some are less desirable than others. Again, it's all a matter of a person's "comfort level" as Julie so aptly pointed out. I know people have been killed at Truman; I don't think anyone has been at UHS. (And of course my personal opinion, having lived next door to Italians all those years, is that the Italian influence is the BIGgest deterrent to crime in the Northeast - violent crime anyway.)

    As for security guards carrying guns, I think the guards at all the urban hospitals and/or med schools (at least!) should carry guns. I work at NKC Hosp, and I think it's just a matter of time before someone gets hurt or killed. I know when I worked at Children's Mercy some time ago, a bunch of people working in the ER at KU got killed, and although I don't know for sure, my guess is that those guards carry guns as well.

    People just get so weird and emotional in ER's and ICU's, I think it's just a matter of time before all guards carry guns in the urban hospitals....but of course that's just an opinion. Working in the ICU, I wish our guards carried guns....sigh. We don't even have a "hot button" like they do at Children's! :eek:

    But I guess that's a different subject!

    Mompremed
     
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    Ditto!! ;)

    And now I really need to disappear for awhile as I need to get things in order for out-of-town guests coming in for my son's wedding, buying a house, finishing incompletes, working, etc.

    Hey Kristy, I - finally got the one class done - can I just say, databases and spreadsheets rock?! NEVER thought I'd be saying THAT!!

    It's been great "talking" with ya'll, and meeting the new students coming in. Take care and have a great rest of the summer! I'll try and check back in a couple of weeks or so to see how everyone is doing.

    Cheers,

    Mompremed
     
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    Welcome Class of 2005 to UHS!
    I have been attending UHS-COM for a year now, and I just want to tell you how great it has been.
    The professors are very helpful and the administration bends over backwards to try to address the needs and concerns of the students (as all of you know because of your interview at UHS. Talk about selling the school! That was quite refreshing to me when I interviewed). I know this first hand because of how many concerns that have been raised this last year because of the new curriculum. Everything has been handled great and I am very impressed with the school.
    There have been some concerns that the new curriculum might not properly prepare us for boards. Well, this just in:
    The first year students took the USMLE basic sciences Shelf Exam, a test that usually is only taken by the 2nd year students who have already been preparing for the USMLE. In the history of UHS, any student that scored a 45 or better on the Shelf Test then passed their boards on the first try. The first year's average was over a 50! 6% of the first year students actually received passing scores! This was without any prior studying for the tests. So we are pretty happy with these results and are confident with the curriculum. I hope this helps all of you and I look forward to meeting you Aug. 11th for our outing at Worlds of Fun! Good Luck!
     

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