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Discussion in 'General International Discussion' started by dknykid1980, May 17, 2002.

  1. dknykid1980

    dknykid1980 Senior Member

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    hey there kim

    i was just wondering...since everyone says ur the person to ask. what carib med school did you go to ? also b/w ross and st. george's which do you think is better for attaining a residency in chicago. if you want you can just PM me.

    Thanks in advance!
     
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    Dr. Kimberli Cox went to Flinders Uni in Adelaide, Australia. I only know because I've read alot of posts about Australian med schools and she frequently posts about them and her name comes up regularly.
     
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    xbliss is correct. I went to The Flinders University in Australia.

    Now I may be lamblasted for this, but IMHO there does exist a stigma against Caribbean grads in many residency programs (including mine) which does not exist (or at least not to the same extent) for grads of Commonwealth countries.

    I do not know enough details about SGU or Ross to adequately advise you, but because SGU has a great reputation, longer track record, and better facilities, I might choose it over Ross despite the cost differential. I'll let those more in the know advise you as to the other details.
     
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    :rolleyes:

    KID!

    You are all over the place, man! I've seen you all over this board and all over the Ross forums, as well, asking the same questions over and over again and stating your plight over and over again. ENOUGH, MAN! If you are SERIOUSLY having this much trouble making a decision, I strongly advise you to sit out for another year and re-apply to U.S. schools. Or...

    Why don't you get on a plane, fly down to Dominica and Grenada in the next few weeks and check them both out on your own? You can meet with both students and faculty on the campuses and determine which is best for you.

    While we all would agree that this is a HUGE decision, in my opinion asking some complete stranger on a medical forum where she went to medical school (no offense meant, Kimberli :) ) - and allowing that information in any way to be a factor in your decision process tells me that you are not ready to make the committment to either program or you still have some work to do on your maturity level. If you are having this much trouble making a decision with ALL the advice that's been given to you on all the forums, imagine what it's going to be like when you are standing over a patient trying to make a treatment decision?

    My advice: Take another year, grow-up a little, and maybe reapply U.S. side in that time.

    If you absolutely HAVE to go to medical school this year, do Option B and visit both campuses first.

    Best of luck, Kid,

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    Portsmouth, Dominica
     
  6. dknykid1980

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    HEY SKIP INTRO :(

    Hey buddy, thanks for the input. But the last i've checked these are FORUMS so are the ROSS and SGU ones....theyre all called FORUMS! do you know wht that means? it means places where people can converse and exchange ideas. Heck yah i'm gonna be asking questions cuz its a very expensive and important venture. Maybe your one of those idiots that just jump into things...well heck i think that means malpractice in the future! see, on the otherhand us more intelligent beings actually ask QUESTIONS (yah maybe ad nauseum) so that we can prepare for the future and are more competent.

    So hey if it bugs you so much why dont you just browse over my q's and mind your OWN business. no one asked you, i just had the Q out in the open. hahaha...yah i know your a nontraditional student but come on bro are you really that immature? do you really have to come on here and pretend to be "daddy", although old man i suppose you are acting your age. gosh, i wonder what your going to do when you as a doctor, if you actually become one, get asked the same questions over and over and over and over again by your patients. are you gonna tell them to shut up as well?

    anyways, i dont know why i wasted my time in clarifying things. However, besides those who answered if anyone else has any suggestions or input i would appreciate and CONSTRUCTIVE advice.

    thanks in advance!
     
  7. halothane

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    hello kid....u ask those questions man. when I started out I asked questions and explored all possibilities. I still ask a lot of questions to a lot of people about a lot of things. That my friend is growth. I remember after i got into medschool in India( I was not an american back then) I was going about asking everyone about going to school overseas to further my credentials. I researched everthing UK, Aussie, Carribean, NZ, even Russia and France!!! Till I decided that it was best to finish school in India ace the boards and pursue residency in the US. Yes thats bottom line for a FMG does not matter where you went to school as much as your interview skills and boards scores. Everything else is secondary.

    I think it goes without saying that its best to go to school in the US if not, believe me you can go to medical school in Oxford and youll not get a spot if you make a 75. On the other hand you can go to school in the carribean and get a 95 and get a competitive spot here.

    Bottom line get a degree from a place where the grads have a track record of getting good boards, and getting into US residencies if you are going overseas. The carribeans programs at Ross and St. Georges have this track record. Other places would be KMC Manipal, India. Just a few egs.

    I went to school in a commonwealth country. I saw throughout my interviews that it was 1st choice US grads( rarely programs take IMGs with exceptional scores instead of very poor US grads)
    2nd DOs, 3rd USIMGs and IMGs at this level your scores decide, the school you attended is secondary.
     
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    It's just that you keep asking the same question...
     
  9. will_lam

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    It seem like at least 95% of the questions being posted on the board these days have already been asked and answered in several other previous posts. Checking ealier threads or simply searching for key words would eliminate alot of the tedium of seeing the exact same question being asked repeatedly, often by the same user.

    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes thats bottom line for a FMG does not matter where you went to school as much as your interview skills and boards scores. Everything else is secondary.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I can't agree with this statement. It may not be politically correct to say so, but there is often a pecking order with respect to IMG's. From my own experience, some programs will blatantly reject IMG's from certain parts (i.e. caribean, India, Pakistan etc..) while at least giving consideration to those from other countries. India may be a Commonwealth country, but I don't think it falls into latter grouping (perhaps because in the US it is generalized as a 'third world' country). Is it right to do this? Probably not, but you have to understand that it really has nothing to do with medical knowledge. In the end for alot of programs it comes down to maintaining a reputation, pure and simple.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's just that you keep asking the same question...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thank you, Pill Counter.

    Kid- I think your response to my post speaks volumes and fully supports everything I was saying about your situation. You are only coming across on these forums as very neurotic and immature. Like I said, why don't you take a year off, re-apply to U.S. schools, and see what happens. Or, better yet, make a visit to both campuses? Why can't you do that? If this is such a big decision for you, that money would be WELL invested.

    As far as your lame personal attacks, well... suffice it to say that I am a lot older, more mature, and decisive in my plans. I worked for years in the pharmaceutical industry and knew what I wanted. I was not, at your age, ready to make the committment to pursuing a medical degree offshore because I too was uncertain.

    While I loved the medical field and the study of medicine, I realized that I was only going to go so far without a medical doctor degree. So, after working and being "underemployed" for a long time, I decided after much deliberation to pursue my medical degree at Ross. It was not an easy decision, and I carefully weighed all the pros and cons, much as you are doing now. What I did not do is become so lost that I started asking random people on forums where they went to school. The fact that you would even remotely allow that to factor into your decision tells me that you need to chill out, recollect yourself, and decide if going the Caribbean route is for you at all.

    However... Having said all of that, if I were in your shoes, I would go to SGU. I have a friend there now who loves it. The thing is, she will spend another year in the islands. I will be home in the U.S. permanently in December. You are WAY too hung-up on this Chicago thing. I know you really want to be there, but there are no guarantees that you will get a residency there when you graduate anyway. Get out, see the world, gain some experience! Heck, you're planning on living in a foreign country for at least the next two years. You need to stop panicking so much and just relax. As much as you'd like to, you're just not going to plan the rest of your life out in the next 3 months. While we'd all agree that this is a huge decision, you're trying to take the easy way out. You want someone to say, "Go to this school because I did" or whatever else. Other people can't, should not, and probably will not do that for you. So...

    Why don't you jump on a plane and fly down to Dominica and then Grenada to check the programs out firsthand yourself?

    Or, were you so busy being pissed-off by my message that you missed that the first few times I said it?
     
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    The guy who was saying that Indian docs get a second preference is completely off his rocker. I for one never felt that when I interviewed, all the PDs i spoke to appreciated my strong boards and said that's what mattered most( mind you I had interviews in 4 of the top 15 hospitals in the country)Sir for your kind information for an ethnic group that is basically 1% of the population we constitute about 36% of this nations physician strength. Most of these are physicians who trained in India. Now adding to this group is a large and expanding 1 st gen. Indians. in US schools.

    Now about 25 % of IMGs in this country are from India. That is the largest percentage for any FMG group. Pakistan comes a distant second at 12% or so. The grads from Aussie, UK constitute 1% or so.

    Now if you say that third world grads go to bad programs I wish to correct you. We man the ghetto hospitals in NY but also get into the best, why in the recent past grads from school and a few friends from other Indian schools have gotten in to Mayo, Cleveland, U penn, Baylor, Wash U and several other great programs. Look around and you will be suprised to see that a large # of chief residents are Indian IMGs. The chairman of Internal Medicine at Cleveland Clinic is an IMG from India. There are several other Indian IMGs who are chairs.

    We may train in a third world nation but our training is very strong. We score better on the US boards better than other IMG groups( this came from a Program Director). We prove our clinical accumen on the wards and by and large have earned a good name for ourselves simply because we work hard and very hard. Recently on of my seniors was chosen for a fellowship in cardiology in Cleveland Clinic. He was the only IMG in his batch chosen for the fellowhip. He was such an outstanding guy that they even overlooked several US grads for it.

    Let me tell you waht none other than program directors have told me. When it comes to IMGs scores talk, not where you went. For a US program director....India, UK or Aussie they could not care a less. These are all non US schools and in their view they are still far behind US schools.

    PS this is the rule in general, you can refute this in denial but good luck to you if you went to school in the UK and apply with a pathetic 75-80. You might find the odd redneck program that would take you just cos you are european or white, butmost quality programs just look at your accomplishments and board scores and care a less where you went.
     
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    Subject: FW: Something to be proud about..us Indians
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    hahaa..you know you make me laugh. Of course i'm going to be asking quesitons and possibly the same ones....AT DIFFERENT FORUMS. WHY? not because I'm annoying, but merely because there are different people on each of these forums and they might actually offer a new insight that someone else hadnt given! IS that soo hard for your to marticulate into your old, thick skull? come on pharmaceutical employees arent that dumb. Most business people call it a second opinion, a third opinion, etc....

    It is one thing if I were to ask the same question on this forum AD NAUSEM. however, i dont! sure these questions might be reoccuring ones, but that's only because we who ask them are responsible human beings who want to be fully informed.

    LIKE I SAID....if you have a problem,just BROWSE OVER OUR QUESTIONS! I do it all the time when there is something I dont want to answer. I think your clear combativeness toward my initial post clearly indicates your bitterness and immaturity. Hey buddy, just because you are 35 or something and had a failed career choice...dont be bitter to the whole world! I dont get it, are you bitter that someone almost half your age will probably be in the same position (most likely even better because we are younger and more energetic)? Possibly your bitterness stems from the fact that you made a mistake in your life and you cant accept the fact that others are trying and will hopefully not encounter your mistake?

    My bitter, jealous friend good luck you. If you relaly have a problem with this I think you are better quiting medical school and finding your self a place in some distant island and keeping to yourself there. In a social society people will always be asking questions and giving answers, if you cant handle that PLEASE SHUN yourself from society's infrastructure!

    best regards--
     
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    oh and one more thing. the whole bit about "askign someone you dont even know about where they went to med school". OBVIOUSLY KIMBERLI COX didnt have a problem with it, so why should you. In addition, if she wanted to she could have just PM me (if she didnt want to make it public). Also, I stated that question in hopes that POSSIBLY she went to either ROSS OR SGU and could provide some better understanding of what to hold for the future?

    WOW skip intro does that seems like such a hard concept for you to comprehend? I mean obviously it wasnt such a big problem for her! Skip intro whats the problem? are you trying to be all chivalrous in high, wasted hopes of trying to hit on Dr. Cox? Sorry buddy..but i can tell from how you are that you are probably an old, bitter, unmarried (or divorced man). WHY...merely from your acts.

    Tip #1....Dont try impressing women by putting down others, theyre likely able to discern your true motives!
     
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    Oh, gosh... you're just so insightful, Kid. How did you know that I'm a lonely bitter old man with no friends and no future that FORCED me to attend Ross University at such a late age... OHHHH, woe is me!!! I just don't know if I can go on... you've brought this all to light. Thank you, Kid, THANK YOU for your brilliant insight into my psyche... <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />

    Did I touch a nerve, little one? :p

    Yeah, you're gonna make a great doctor, kid... :rolleyes: You're so busy being offended that you aren't listening. Yeah, you're gonna make a great student too. :rolleyes:

    We've already got more than a few brats running around this island. So, what's one more? Forget what I said about SGU (did you even read that?). Come on down to Dominica! <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
     
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    Oh... and you also win the award for the longest, most boring, superfluous, and annoying signature line. Most of the people on this forum already know the Hippocratic oath. We don't need to see it every time you post.
     
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    hey halothane,

    I'm not indian, but phat response.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Skip Intro:
    <strong>Forget what I said about SGU (did you even read that?). Come on down to Dominica! <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sweet... fight.
     
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    Halothane:
    God help us when someone needs to list achievements from a thousand years ago to validate themselves. Face reality, IMG's, especially Indian are not welcomed with open arms everywhere. They ARE a dime a dozen, and I'm speaking about some of my relatives, so I'm going to take some liberties with this. The over-representation of Indian IMG's is a bad thing, it seems like anyone who got into med school in India, did so with the desire to use it as a one-way ticket out. You're professing such a great pride in our shared heritage, but you and the other thousands of Indian IMG's who weren't born NRI used that one-way ticket too. We of the second generation born in the West are children of people who fled poverty, not those living the privileged lifestyle of doctors.
    You don't have a license to speak for all Indian people!
     
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    Sorry Kimberly, this thread bearing your name has gotten pretty ugly.
     
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    Hey Pill Guy down under. You are a classic example of an idiot without any exposure. First of all I speak as a Indian IMG who has been thro the residency selection process successfully. I interviewed at the best programs in this country and joined a very good one . I had strong boards which were deeply appreciated and I had more interviews than I could ever attend. My seniors with strong scores are in ivy league programs, Cleveland, Wash U. Dime a dozen are IMGs with poor scores, they could come from any continent.
    You feel so great bout being in a so called non third world school probably in Aussie, let me tell you I have relatives who worked in Aussie who are in the US they say Aussie sucks and Aussie docs are real dullheads. So much for your pride in being in a first world med school....I had a ready admission at Monash University Medical School in 94 based on my pre university achievements all I had to do was fork out 100,000 Aussie $$$ I am not kidding. You guys are hawking your education for foreigners as a source of income for the country and you talk big. There are schools in the carribean, India, Eastern Europe for US school rejects if you pay. But there are also schools in India run by the state for free where you got to be sterling to get in ( much tougher than it would be to get into med school in the US itself if one were to go by the # people competing for a seat) I went to one such school where about 1000 people compete for 1 seat. Program directors in the US recognise smarts when they see it, and board scores are one way they do that. You be in your state of delusion and think you have things assured for you b cos you went to a first world med school and you'll have a rude shock( if you plan to pursue residency here, if not you have no business butting in anyway). I challenge you to get a position on the sheer merit of where you went to school and compete against guys from third world countries with top board score.....you will be in for a rude shock. My friend who was applying on the same day with me had all his rotations in the US but had a score just above mean.....he did not get in and I did, nor did a grad from a western european school.

    For an FMG its scores scores scores, this I tell because its the truth and because if that becomes an FMGs priority residency is assured.False senses of security based on where you went to school because of an accident of birth or affordability will get you no where.

    PS recently I met a guy from med school in Cambridge whose senior went unmatched because he had scores in the 70s and by the way every one in my class from my school ( one of the top 10 in India) who tried this year (about 10 grads) matched!!! and they all had boards in the 90s.

    PS by the way it is a well acknowledged fact that the American Association of Physicians from India is the most powerful IMG physician organisation. And from the best to the worst programs everywhere I interviewed there was an Indian physician on the selection panel ( 90% of the time) and its no secret that they encourage Indian IMGs( I felt it). ( I saw one guy who was an Aussie IMG, a few Britons, and a German).

    Bottomline its plain illegal to discriminate in recruitment based on national origin.
     
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    Hey, Halothane, I've met idiots like you before... and you impressed a PD with your social skills?
     
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    I had what it takes to get in. Lets see what you can do....! Anyway, I tell about my experiences without any bias. An FMG must think about his boards very seriously. There are UK/Aussie grads in the Ghetto Hospitals in Chicago and NY. There are lots of third world grads in the best programs. If it was true that they were second preference you would see only third world grads in the ghetto hospitals and all first world grads in good ones. Its wrong information to think that there is a order of preference amongst IMGs. There isn't and thats the truth though you might find a few odd exceptions here and there.
     
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    Hello there everyone--

    hey there SKIPPIE...first off, i cut down the hippocratic oath JUST FOR YOU. I left the parts that are a little more important (although that could be debated). Listen I'm personally tired of this bitching thats gone on back and forth. You know what...YOU WIN. I give in. I'm wrong. Hey we can have our differenes, and whether I choose to go to SGU or ROss, hopefully one day we can be colleagues. I think both of our attacks on each other were uncalled for and so let's just drop it. Remember be it Ross or SGU...ONE LOVE, ONE CARIBBEAN!

    alright take care everyone.

    peace <img border="0" alt="[Clappy]" title="" src="graemlins/clappy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Clappy]" title="" src="graemlins/clappy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Clappy]" title="" src="graemlins/clappy.gif" />
     
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    Dear Halothane:
    Again you are going against everything or everyone who isn?t indian, and it?s very poor to have to say what all the indians have achieved.
    First of all you have to remember that India has approximately ( 1/5 ) of the world population, and any medical student going there is thinking leave the country as soon as possible to Europe or US, you must know the percentage of students in your class trying to leave the country.
    Also most medical schools in india prepare the doctors to take the USMLE, and they spend months and months to have the same scores as americans have in weeks.
    There are indians with great scores, but also there are thousands with very low scores getting positions where anyone want to go.
    When you compare the percentage of doctors from India, China or european/australia countries you have to know HOW MANY apply, obviously if there are thousands and thousands of indiands applying there will be a lot of getting positions and the quality of the positions.
    Also how you can say that Australia sucks and australian doctors are real dullheads!!!!!! What the rich countries have done to you.... and the most important thing what are you doing in the US.
    Australia has a great medical education, much more prestigious than India, in India you just need a credit card to pay your degree, and the only you have to do is spend the other 4 years studying for the USMLE.
    If an european or aussie graduate apply with lower scores than you to the same position ( obviously if you have scores in the 90?s and he/she in the 70?s you will match ), the other graduate will have higher preference.
    Congratulations if you matched ( you aren?t the only one )but isn?t the same apply to Anestesiology that Orthopedics or Plastics.
    A y no olvides aprender a hablar espa?ol en Miami, porque lo necesitar?s....
    Take Care and life a little bit.
     
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    HI Halothane.

    First off, I've been cruising these boards for a while now and I'd like to say that I regard your advice as rock solid. I mean, you have a big mouth but what are forums for? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

    But there is one thing I don't understand. It's pretty clear that you love India. But wouldn't someone like yourself be considered somewhat of a traitor. I mean, for a country as poor as India it must be devastating to have their best doctors from their best schools leave right after graduation. Do most Indians come back at some point later in life to help out? I can think of a really lame comparison. There is something like a halfway med school in Duluth, MN, where the students have to promise they'll work a given part of their lives in the Iron Range of northern Minnesota (I don't know the details, I have to admit). I mean, if I was Prime Minister of India, I would put a clause like that on my graduates.

    And yes, I've seen Indian doctors in action here, too. I was following one female doc around in the ER as a student and she was really impresssive.

    And keep up the bitching, everyone. It provides for great break time activity in between studying for step 1!
     
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    First, you have the right to believe whatever you want you want, but if you think a program director is taking an Indian grad over a similar Aussie or UK grad then I happen to disagree.

    Second, I am so happy for you that all the program directors you met were in love with Indian grads! The thing is, they can say whatever they want to any applicant sitting in front of them and never have to be held accountable for it. That's the beauty of their power and position. IMG's have left interviews with virtual guarantees that the program wants them, yet come the big day...no match. Hmmm....

    Third, quantity doesn't prove anyting. It certainly doesn't prove that Indian grads are more desired by US programs by any stretch of the imagination. You forgot to list the fact that India simply graduates more medical students than any of the countries you compared it to. In addition you neglected to consider the very important fact that a MUCH larger percentage of Indian graduates apply for US residency than even the combined number of grads from Autralia, New Zealand, UK, Ireland etc. who apply. Your statistics are skewed and you failed to corect for this.

    Fourth, citing the accomplishments of others is always a poor means of proving your point or your worth.

    I don't understand why whenever someone (correctly) states that Indian grads face more hurdles than other IMG's it is somehow taken as an attack on the country and its people. It's clearly not an attack on either nor is it a comment of the quality of medical education there. If anything, as someone who has faced and cleared the obstacles you should be proud that despite a perhaps more strenuous route, you accomplished your goal. Why do your feelings for your former country elicit such a strong reactionary response? Beleive me I'm not out to upset anyone.

    Best of luck....
     
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    Hey JGDLB Se Habla Espanol, Pouquito...me spousa is a maestra bilingua so I have no probs.
    I also watch telenovela in espanol. Si I pouquito comprendar what goes on. You are right about being able to buy your medical education at about a little over a dozen Indian medical schools but 90% are state run and are only for Indian citizens for free ( and boy is it competitive). Infact wealthy Indians who do not get in go to east europe, russia and some even get into aussie.Get off your high horse that western education is va voom and flawless. Schools in Aussie openly solicit students from third world and middle east nations who can pay ( they need to as their own students study for free). My friends who are loaded go do their MBA, MS, and rarely MBBS in Aussie if they cannot get into a prestigious school in India. In my own case back in 94 when I was not sure of getting a free seat in state medical school in Ind. I was trying to see if I could go to school in Aussie and based on my pre university achievements an Aussie overseas ed. rep said I could study at Monash University since I had good high school grades only that I being a foreigner would have to pay full fee of 100,000 Aussies!! well I did not want to do that as I thought that was way too much. Luckily I got a free govt. sponsored seat and finished med school for 500$!! There is also an interesting anecdote about a Spanish FMG. My wifes uncle came here in the 70s from India and trained in IM. He had a spanish colleague who was kicked out after the first year. Apparently he has been thro some kind of course where he got his medical degree without seeing or treating a single live patient. Iam told that medical school in Germany and Spain are very theory intensive and you only see and treat patients later on I mean during residency. India, UK, Aussie and other commonwealth countries have a rep. of producing good clinicians as there is a trmendous emphasis on bedside learning and clinical skills. We in India shoulder tremendous clinical responsibilties as student doctors. Medical students and interns in India perform countless procedures, deliveries single handedy especially at goverment hospitals. Infact the interns and residents literally run public hospitals. This means a lot of clinical accumen. US grads too have very good clinical abilities and I feel that this here is probably the best way to train.

    Now as for Indian expats being traitors as they leave the nation for greener pastures. The Indian govt. has now realised that an Indian is worth more overseas than at home and acknowledges that human resourse is a valuable Indian export!! India benefits tremendously from exporting its skills. It brings in valuable expertise and foreign exchange. Many expats go back in the end taking with them $$ and skills. Furthermore the largest group of investors in China are expat chinese and in ireland are expat irish. Its accepted that for developing nations a huge expat population is beneficial. By the way India and China are the 2 fastest growing economies in the world right now and GDP wise are #4 and #2. Economists predict that by the end of the nest millenium the US , China and India are going to be the global economic superweights.

    My basic point here is still not India#1 or US#1. Its just that for FMGS here they are all the same they do not care if you are from UK or Uganada, Aussie or Angola. And FMG needs to prove his metal with his scores and must not delude himself thinking things are a little easy because he had the privilige of fate to be born and go to school in Europe/ANZ. Because I have in my immediate family a guy who has an MRCP from London and went unmatched while several people from third world schools match simply because they have higher scores.

    Some myths about IMGs getting into residency here.

    Myth#1 They prefer first world grads to third world- FALSE, scores are the only way a person from an intnl. school is judged as thats the only common thing between them. Infact when a grad from UK competes with from a third world grad from Africa it is likely to go to a grad from Africa if they have the same scores as programs here would like their training to benefit the third world countries. My program for eg. has a program for latin american grads where they are preferentially chosen based on a quota so that after they are trained they may go back and benefit their home country(these grads are only given a J 1 so they may not stay back). Also programs know that third world grads come from poor countries and are sometimes poor themselves, this works infavor of them unlike someone from the first world who can make a decent living even if he were rejected and had to go back. America prides itself as being a nation of poor immigrants who could accomplish the American dream. Infact stories of struggles and hardship in your personal statement make PDs look at you with respect.

    Myth#2 Post graduate training from overseas is a big plus. FALSE it makes no difference in most programs and in some it is a negative. I was told at Cleveland Clinic that they prefer fresh grads as people who are already products of residency training overseas and those who have been out of school for too long are very hard to retrain. Furthermore there are MRCPS and FRCS who have to change their specialities and some go unmatched. I know a guy with an FRCS who is an FP now as getting a categorical surgery spot was very tough in the early 90s....the fact that he had some 10 years of expertise at Leeds did not help!
    The fact is that fresh third world grads such myself and my class mates have matched while MRCPs whom I know personally are going for the next match go to prove that for FMGs the best thing is to be a fresh grad with a great score. Fasle delusions that going to school in Aussie/UK makes things better that going to school in Nigeria, Pakistan , Carribean, India are unfounded and not supported by any data.

    Myth #3 Carribean grads are less preferred in comparision to commonwealth/european grads. FALSE As long as they are US citizens, with decent scores and US rotations they are preferred over all other IMGs. Simply because they are Americans and America wants to hire Americans, they are mainstream, have amercan accents and mannerisms and patients in the Hospital cannot tell that they are IMGs, thus they think they are American grads. This is great for a Hospitals image. Furthermore the hospital does not have to worry about visa issues. This is proven by the match stats. the % of USIMGs matching is higher than non USIMGs. A long time ago they were thought of as substandard,but not anymore now that they rotate in the US, take a common exam( in the 80s it was the FMGEMS) with the US grads. There is a Ross, SGU grad in almost every program in this country.

    Well these are the facts, those who choose to believe otherwise are most welcome to. I do not lose anything!!

    And as far as my comment about Aussies being dullheads. Its not my opinion, I ve never been to Aussie( only I know that some people from India who cannot make it to higher education in in the US go to UK/ANZ). This is the opinion of Americans who have worked in Aussie for projects, and Indian professionals who worked there before they came here. I've lived here for about half a decade now( on and off) and all people who have worked in Aussie and now live in the US tell one thing.....terrible work ethics( one oil field expert said its worse than Africa, India where by the way the bad work ethics and corruption are seen only in the govt.sector), lazy people, racist( how else can you explain people like pauline hansen getting political momentum), and no wonder the ANZs are the least industrialised of the developed nations. They are giant farms thats all. I absolutely have heard of no indiginous innovations coming from there....even their cars like ford falcon, holden are made with US expertise. They are are considered developed as they have a small population living on a large land mass so that ensures a decent per capita. If one were to go by the the level of industrialisation they are behind India and China which are the largest exporters of high tech goods of late. How can a country with a whites only immigration policy till the 80s expect to make a headway...the smart guys from Asia thus all went to the US till Aussie finally realised they gotto lift the whites only immigration policy or be stuck with the brand image of being a giant farm of decendents of convicts. What else can you say about a country which still wants the queen mom instead of being a republic when the rest of the world wants to establish a distinct identity.
     
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    You are right saying that postgraduate education sometimes don?t help, but I absolutely disagree saying that graduates from 1st world countries are not prefered vs other graduates. If a person from an european med school have a very low score, obviously will have a difficult time to match ( like everybody ) , but someone graduated from a prestigious university will have it easier to match that someone from India or Pakistan, not only because the medical schools in western europe are recognized very highly in the US, also because the % of people applying to US from Europe/Australia are the 2 % of all the FMG, and there are thousands of indians applying.
    Also don?t match it doesn?t mean you are a bad candidate, it depends WHICH specialty and WHERE are you applying, the same person applying to IM or Anestesia can have interviews in top programs and applying to Derm or Ortho can be unmatched.
    Also the match rate for USFMG has been this year 53,8 % and the other FMG the 51,3 %, almost the same thinking that the 90 % or more of FMG come from third world countries.
    Also it?s logical that U Miami get preference for graduates from latin american countries because in
    Miami the 55 % of the population are hispanics, and also a FMG from any country where you speak spanish you will have much easier to match there
    than any other FMG.
    And the last thing Scores are very important, but isn?t everything also is very important RESEARCH ( for competitive specialties ), LOR?s, US clinical experience ( maybe not for IM or Anest. but very important for some specialties ).
     
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    JGDLM Mi Amigo,

    The order of priority is

    1 Scores
    2 US experience, LOR
    3 Research

    US citizenship, Permanent resident status certainly helps.

    If you have poor scores.....you will be passed over by someone with good scores, even if you have research, US experience.

    If there are three candidtes for a residency

    1 Great scores, US experience, research
    2 Great Scores only
    3 Poor scores, US experience , research

    The order of preference will be 1, 2 and 3. I mean well . Listen to me, your scores are the key. Many. many programs throw away applications if you have a score below 84( now rising).

    I know a friend who had papers and papers and is still doing research because he had a 75.

    I also know a guy with 82, 78 who published an international paper in micro. He got 2 interviews!!

    I too tried to reduce my test anxiety by thinking I had contacts,a green card, can do research, US externship if I scored poorly. And believe me once I hit the interview trail I thanked my stars for having slogged my butt off for the boards....I really saw IMGs with clinical experience, papers groping around with just a few interviews because they had poor scores. All those with very strong scores on the other hand were struggling to keep off pre match offers.

    Slog for the boards and do not stop short of at least 2 SD( 250+ at least) above the mean, this done you will get interviews from the best hospitals. In addition to this if you have papers, US experience all the better. Mind you I said in addition. If you end up with a 220s and say I have papers, US experience...you will still end up in an average program compared to someone
    with only very strong board scores( for eg. 250 and 260s). Programs like to keep their board pass rates high by taking strong test takers. For their research they have enough faculty, US grads and MD PHDs. Unless you have published in JAMA or NEJM or any leading journal you stand a slim chance of only research making it easy for you.

    As for derm, IMGS with 260s on both parts, research , US experience go unmathced( I know one such person who was later on accepted into a very good IM program). Like one PD joked to methat the only way to get into derm. for an IMG is to win the Nobel Prize.

    Comprendrar"

    Buenos Dias, Noches whatever it is there now.
     
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    Si comprendo.
    In your last paragraph just say you: we will see if you need a nobel prize...
     
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    Furthermore it baffles me as to why grads from developed nations try to come here for residency and then sometimes even settle here....thats just plain greed. We third world folks have a reason, poor pay, poor living standards, fear of dying in a war. Some docs. in India are fabulously wealthy while some others struggle to pay bills. As far as i know docs. in Europe, ANZ make decent money, can have a decent standard of life and are rarely unemployed. It is actually ridiculous to see grads from developed nations hunting for residency here along with us third world and former communist bloc nation docs. I for one would have never left my homeland if I was assured a decent standard of living, and I have no shame in admitting that I came here like several of my relatives for better pay. Had I lived in India....I would have never made more than a 2000$ a month ( and that mind you is considered a successful practice) . I ve heard some developed nation grads say its for higher education...then why do so many of them stay back ?? I know for a fact that UK and Aussie pays their docs fairly well and infact UK has shortage still they come here...in my opinion he is a traitor who flees for a slightly better pay and opportunity, not one who flees because there is a heaven and earth difference in standard of living( such as me).
     
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    PS just so that all ye call have a nice laugh....my stipend for back breaking work for 60-80 hrs a week during my internship was US$ 80 equivalent per month . Benefits....free healthcare at the hospital, free food on call days if your attending was generous enough to buy it!!( most did, though they themselves made only about 600-800$ a month). And free prescription medication. Thats it....forget about buying a car or a house till say you are in your late 30s. And docs there as a rule typically do not retire till they die as one needs income to live(no social security). Now we have avalid reason to seek greener pastures why do you guys from UK/Aussie. do it? Furthermore...a country like the UK which grew rich by leeching off places like India for centuries( and to this day refusing to return our gold and precious stones) should have been able to ensure a fabulous standard of life for all its subjects and none of them should seek greener pastures. Indeed pathetic to see Western Europeans still come here.....guess leeching off some country or the other is the only way they can live( kind of obligatory parasites). Indians on the other hand are forced to work overseas simply because years of colonisation impoverished the place....prior to colonisation Indians never left India. Once the economy is ontrack again the brain drain will stop.....
     
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    I?m not guilty to have an american fianc?e, who is a med student also, and that would be imposible for she come to my country as I can go to US.
     
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    Halothane,

    I'm an Indian, like you, and I, too, am proud of my heritage. However, my Indianness does not mean that I must be an Aussie-basher or a Pakistan-hater, for example. I can be proud of my ethnic and cultural heritage without feeling that I must derogate others'.

    That having been said, I say, "Right on!" to your post about IMGs being qualified docs. I think everyone agrees with you there, so there's no need to get overheated or defensive about it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> We're on your side.

    Jazzitup

    P.S. Sure, Pakistan may be a "distant second" with only 12% of U.S. docs, but they have only 1/7 the population of India. So, on a per capita basis, they are far more represented among U.S. docs than any other foreign nationality, including Indians. Is that a good thing? I dunno. Is it bad? Dunno. I'm just observing.
     
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    I did not Pakistan Bash. Saying a distant second only means that ....not in a derogatory sense. I have nothing against Pakistani docs. I consider the ones who come here and get into residency very competent and very good and they have my respect. You will however find it interesting that the reason that per capita representation is higher from Pak. is because during the cold war era the US was more liberal in giving visas to Paks. and rejected a large # of them to Indians(as they were pro soviet). Now of course 75-80% of the visa applications are accepted as India now is a new found democratic ally and a rising economic power. Infact as far as I can remember only 2 people from my school were refused visas in the past 5 years out of a total of maybe 60 or so who might have applied.

    Now as far as Bashing anyone...its only a reaction to some arrogant people who go about making blanket statements of third world/carribean grads being looked down upon in comparision to grads from UK/Aussie. There is also one idiot( pill counter) who says Indian docs. are dime a dozen...he does not even know that there is only 1 doc for 4200 people in India( compared to about 1 for 400 or so is Europe/US) and India only graduates as many docs as the US, probably the fool feels very priviliged that he went to school in Aussie by an accident of birth, let him come here for residency , he'll know what the real world is. There is no evidence whatsoever to substatiate this hierarchy and I myself never experienced this during my interviews. If this were true every UK/Aussie who tried to get in here would make it 100% of the time, the fact is that they too go unmatched while good third world grads find postions in great programs. Also they too work in the ghetto hopitals while third world grads work in good ones. All this goes to prove that an a non USIMG is the same irrespective of where he went to school and is judged mainly and sometimes solely by his scores. Anyone who disputes this is in delusion.....
     
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    Halothane... you remember me right? Anyway, seeing as you're familiar with Miami programs, what kind of a shot do you think I'd have at Mr. Sinai Rads in next year's Match with Steps 1 & 2 both 240+, all of 3rd and 4th year rotations in the States (Caribbean school), stellar LORs and clinical evals, a glowing personal statement, great interview skills, and sending out ERAS appys early (mid-Sept)? I know it's tough to say, but you seem well informed, so your opinion would mean a lot to me. Anything else you'd advise me? Thanks!
     
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    OK Cuts( I remember) one of my seniors had a 257, 248. Research in Radio, a lil US clinical experience, MPH in a very good university here, great LOR. He did not match, got a transitional year and then got into U Penn Anesth. He said he might have still gotten radio. in a comunity hospital but chose this at the last moment. I think that you will surely get at least 8-10 interviews in radio. Considering that u are an American, have US rotations I would say you probably stand a fair chance of radio at least in a community hospital. Apply to some of the Brooklyn-Bronx programs as back up ie Montefiore, Maimonides, Brookdale ( I think they have rads. if Iam not mistaken). I also heard U Arkansas, U Texas Houston is kinda of IMG friendly radio dept. and would have hired my senior if he did not have visa issues.

    Well still this is radio and I cannot tell you more....the gaswork is my domain. And believe it or not according to the recent ASA newsletter only a little over 100 IMGs matched in anesth. this year and it is likely to fall further!! in 1990 there were only 67 IMG getting into anesth. So you might wanna rethink bout catching the anesth train this year before it get tooo late.

    <a href="http://www.asahq.org/NEWSLETTERS/2002/5_02/grogono.htm" target="_blank">http://www.asahq.org/NEWSLETTERS/2002/5_02/grogono.htm</a>
     
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    Good info Halothane... I appreciate your input and advice, especially that Brooklyn-Bronx tidbit. I'm actually quite torn b/w Rads and Anesthesia... to be honest I sometimes feel that the only reason Rads has the edge for me right now is b/c it's more competitive (stupid reason I know). I will most definitely send appys to both however, including to where you are and Sinai. Thanks again... and oh yeah... Jai Hind! :D
     
  41. halothane

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    Jai Hind!! <img border="0" alt="[Clappy]" title="" src="graemlins/clappy.gif" /> Abhi hum yehan 38% hain bus aur 30 sal bad 70% honge. Ise rokne key liye gorey log bahut koshish karat hain. Pur kown rok sakega? hamesha kamiyaab hoga Hindi Bheja.

    Mt. Sinai is a good hospital I will be working there too. never knew they had an independent Rad. program. cos thereis only 1 Anesth. program in Miami...so I though radio too must be the same.
     
  42. ApacheIndian

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    :D Arre yarr... tum tho Desi ghee se banai ho! Mai Hindustan mai paida hooa likin U.S.-mai bachpan sai hoo... aur khas, thorasa ABCD banchuka hoo <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> (aur meri Hindi ithni achee bee nahee hai)!

    We'd better stop before the entire Pinoy board starts to join in lol! Yeah, both Jackson Memorial and Mt. Sinai offer Rads, but only JM offers Anesthesia. I'll definitely apply to all three. I'll keep in touch...
     
  43. halothane

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    Koi bat nahin vaise to mera 50% family bhi ABCD hai, meri biwi bhi ABCD hai. Sirf ye man me rakhna hai ki ham kahan se aye aur hamare buzhurgon ne kya kasht mehsoos kiya. Goron ne kiya chori 200 sal abh hamri bari hai ameer ban ne ka, usme koi galti nahin. Mehnat ki kamai hai!!

    Best of luck hope to see you at UM/JMH anesth 03.
     
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    I feel left out. i'm indian but i dont understand hindi, sorry only malayalam!

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  45. Stormreaver

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    Sheesh, Cuts, you didn't tell me you knew Hindi. Wah re wah!
     
  46. Qafas

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    Halothane:
    for all your denials and explanations of your position to the contrary, you ARE a racist! Case in point - what you posted above in hindi. Let's see you put up a literal english translation of your last couple of posts for all to see.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Stormreaver:
    <strong>Sheesh, Cuts, you didn't tell me you knew Hindi. Wah re wah!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">lol :) What can I say Stormreaver? Mai multi-talented hoo <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ...
     
  48. halothane

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    Hey kid! Sukham Undo??

    Thats all I can say in mal. Can do better if you are ok with kannada and tamil or bengali or maybe spanish(lil bit) know em all!!
     
  49. halothane

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    Qafas, tum garv ko racism ke sat confuse kar rahen ho. Yehan problem hai ki hum racism or progressive discrimination ke nishan hain. Aaj kal yehan sab tarah se koshishen kiye ja rahen hai ki asians ko medical field me limit kiye jayen. Isi liye medical applications par profile information dena padta hai. To ab batao kaun racist hain? Hum to sirf ye chahaten hai ki bina koi profiling ke recruitments kiye jain. Vaise to mujhe racist bulane ko tumhe kya haq hai? Self rightious huh?? Shayad tum nadan ho, ise mehsoos nahin kar chuke ho ki bahut salon se south asians par racial pressure lagaya gaya tha. Apne adhikar aur talent ke liye nyay expect karna racism nahin hai, garv hai. Duniya me bahut kam desh hai jahan expats par anyay nahin kiya gaya hai, agar hum apne adhikar ko pane ke liye tayyar ho to is prakar ke anyay hone ka kum chance hai....so ab se accuse karne ke pehele zara soch ke karna!!

    Aur is link ko bhi dekhlo....

    <a href="http://www.itihaas.com/independent/contrib3.html" target="_blank">http://www.itihaas.com/independent/contrib3.html</a>
     
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    I have to say this thread is quite entertaining.
     
  51. Dr. MAXY

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    Halo,
    First and foremost, YOU BRAG TOO DAMN MUCH. If you have not heard, there is a saying that " EMPTY BARRELS MAKES THE MOST NOISE". So quit blowning your own horn. Also I can see you are some kinda Racist fellow. In your earlier post you made this comment.
    " An FMG must think about his boards very seriously. There are UK/Aussie grads in the Ghetto Hospitals in Chicago and NY".

    What the hell do you mean by Ghetto. Did you become a doctor to cater for the rich, if so, then move to Hollywood. Don't forget that the poor has to be taken care of as well. No wander you've left India without worring about who's going to care for the poor in India. Like others mentioned, I really think you went to Med school just to get out of India, and also to be rich. Cos from all your post, everything is about YOU.
    No wander there are slumbs in India with a a lot of poor people dying. People like you don't give a damn all you care about is YOU. DO YOU THINK YOUR GOV'T GAVE YOU FREE EDUCATION FOR YOU TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY. VERY SELFISH. Here you go talking about UK colonising 3rd world countries and making them poor. BUT YOUR SELFISH EGO IS FORGETTING THAT, YOUR INDIA GOV'T SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON YOUR MEDICAL EDUCATION, THAT MONEY COULD HAVE BEEN USED TO HELP THE POOR IN INDIA. And quit typing those Hindu languages cos others know other languages too.

    Wo ye kwasia ba paa. wo kasee wo nim bibeaa. Fa wo ho kin kin ko India. Kwasia ba.
     
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    You get me all wrong Maxy, I am very passionate with my views and some times get carried away no intention to hurt anyone. I do not mean ghetto in any derogatory sense, I am just calling them that because thats what they are....hospitals in ghettos. For example I finished medical school in what might be considered a ghetto hospital, large
    public hospital for the indigent and I have true to my conscience served hard and well ( sometimes taking money out of my paltry stipend of 80$ month to buy medicine or food). Still the fact that it was a ghetto hospital did not make it an inferior place ...infact it was one of the best rated medical schools in the country. Infact I enjoy and feel fulfilled in working for poor people ( my current residency is in a university based county hospital). Unfortunately in this country the highly ranked programs are typically private, posh hospitals ( with few exceptions) and the tendency is for USMGs to avoid the ghetto hospitals ( hospitals in ghettos of bronx, harlem and brooklyn) and they typically get filled by IMGs who do not get elsewhere or have visa issues. When I interviewed at such hospitals current residents would encourage me to avoid coming there if possible because of safety, diminished professional opportunities. Thats all so you see the fault is not mine...it the system.
    I have a better understanding of poverty and problems of the poor than several on this forum so judge me not!! And so I make a lot of noise...I am passionate in my views, if you think Iam an empty vessel you can ignore me as you would an empty vessel!! and not get worked up( PS by the way a lot of serious things like an atomic exlposion, thunder, car horns etc. make louder noises ) If I were you I'd make sure that I did not judge all loud noises as empty vessels each time. <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />

    Aur mujhe meri matru bhasha bolna pasand hai! ( I like practicing my mother tongue ) Why do you feel intimidated? I convey the same idea in English. too. ( sorry I do not know Swahili/ oriental languages if thats what you wrote.)

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