Lake erie - anatomy lab

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When I went to LECOM we spent hours upon hours in the gross lab picking fat and getting nowhere. Trust me, unless you want to be a pathologist or coroner you don't need to know how to dissect a body. I think students are hired during the summer break to dissect the bodies for the coming year if you want to get in on that. Otherwise, prosection is the way to go, then you can concentrate on learning the structures and not waste your time trying to find them. Its a much cleaner course and conserves your time.
 
I believe the only pathway at LECOM that doesn't dissect is PBLers.
 
PBL at LECOM does anatomy through computer simulations - no cadaver lab.
 
the bodies are prosected in the sense that all the fat/skin is removed over the summer. However, the rest of the labs you must dissect.

Dissecting is fun for the first week, then it's just tedious. It's nice being the last lab group for the day because everything is disected for you already and you just get to learn instead of spending half of the lab trying to find some small nerve that you probably cut already anyways.
 
This is ridiculous. Who's going to be the first school to eliminate clinicals for 3rd and 4th year and instead just make you do 10 clinical encounters daily on a computer and then email your H&P/Assessment/Plan to the school? Oh, and every 4th night your encounter has to be emailed at exactly 2am to simulate you being on overnight call 🙄

Learning anatomy on a computer is absurd. Are there any MD schools that are doing this as well?
 
J1515 said:
This is ridiculous. Who's going to be the first school to eliminate clinicals for 3rd and 4th year and instead just make you do 10 clinical encounters daily on a computer and then email your H&P/Assessment/Plan to the school? Oh, and every 4th night your encounter has to be emailed at exactly 2am to simulate you being on overnight call 🙄

Learning anatomy on a computer is absurd. Are there any MD schools that are doing this as well?
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I don't see anything wrong with that. We can do distant learning in the comfort of our own home for the first two years. Many programs record the lectures anyways. And like you said, we can do clinicals online.
As for OMM we can do that at home too, like this course http://www.canyoncollege.edu/cc/naturopathic/syllabus/nh760.htm
(This is actually naturopathic manipulation).

After graduation, since a lot of patients like tele-consulting, we can use sites like http://www.healthcaremagic.com/ to treat patients!

...all in the comfort of our own home! ;-)
 
J1515 said:
This is ridiculous. Who's going to be the first school to eliminate clinicals for 3rd and 4th year and instead just make you do 10 clinical encounters daily on a computer and then email your H&P/Assessment/Plan to the school? Oh, and every 4th night your encounter has to be emailed at exactly 2am to simulate you being on overnight call 🙄

Learning anatomy on a computer is absurd. Are there any MD schools that are doing this as well?
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If you look at the history of human dissection in medical school--- anatomy lab has gone from dissection, to prosection, to (now) computer simulation (at some schools). Take a look at this article http://articles.latimes.com/2004/feb/28/science/sci-anatomy28 from 2004 discussing the same. The book "Stiff" by Mary Roach takes a similar approach. You can also check out http://www.uchsc.edu/sm/chs/overview/overview.html - the Center for Human Simulation at the University of Colorado.

Now, I did not look specifically which other schools may use computer simulations for anatomy lab - but I think eventually many or even most schools will move to this type of teaching.

Personally, I don't think I'd like to learn anatomy in computer simulations. Keep in mind, if you're interested in LECOM, only PBL uses this method. LDP/ISP/PCSP all have gross anatomy lab.
 
JRjcu08 said:
If you look at the history of human dissection in medical school--- anatomy lab has gone from dissection, to prosection, to (now) computer simulation (at some schools). Take a look at this article http://articles.latimes.com/2004/feb/28/science/sci-anatomy28 from 2004 discussing the same. The book "Stiff" by Mary Roach takes a similar approach. You can also check out http://www.uchsc.edu/sm/chs/overview/overview.html - the Center for Human Simulation at the University of Colorado.

Now, I did not look specifically which other schools may use computer simulations for anatomy lab - but I think eventually many or even most schools will move to this type of teaching.

Personally, I don't think I'd like to learn anatomy in computer simulations. Keep in mind, if you're interested in LECOM, only PBL uses this method. LDP/ISP/PCSP all have gross anatomy lab.
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Actually RVU has the 3d hologram technology- they're just waiting for the software though.

So maybe dissection>prosecution>computer simulation> 3d hologram
 
wannabeaDO said:
I don't see anything wrong with that. We can do distant learning in the comfort of our own home for the first two years. Many programs record the lectures anyways. And like you said, we can do clinicals online.
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You were probably joking in your whole post, but what's wrong with doing anatomy on the computer is that you need to see the variability that can exist between cadavers.
 
JRjcu08 said:
Personally, I don't think I'd like to learn anatomy in computer simulations. Keep in mind, if you're interested in LECOM, only PBL uses this method. LDP/ISP/PCSP all have gross anatomy lab.
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Just to be clear, PBL at LECOM-B uses prosections, not computer software.
 
I thought anatomy lab was good for helping me discern the 3D layout of the pelvis and abdomen. You don't need it for the limbs, thorax, back or head/neck. For head/neck I looked more at atlases for dissections because the dissections in lab were crappy for the most part. Another benefit to using computer software is that you are looking at really good dissections by professionals. In lab practicals, the profs used the bodies we dissected so it was probably not the greatest dissection ever. Also if you know how "perfect" anatomy is supposed to be, you can identify where a nerve or artery is supposed to go. There were times when I never was able to identify something, like the chorda tympani or thoracic duct because they are hard to find. But if I saw it on a practical, I was able to identify it because I knew what structures were in the area I was looking.
 
Oh another thing. The Student Osteopathic Surgical Association (SOSA) here at LECOM-E puts on practice anatomy lab practicals before the three main practicals. There wasn't anything for PBL students last year in the way of a good practice practical. This upcoming year, we are going to have PBL students from my class set up practice practicals for the PBL students in their format. I can guarantee this will happen because I am an officer of SOSA and this was a topic of concern for us even though none of us are PBL.
 
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