Leadership experience: guild leader in a full-loot mmo

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I used to play a game called Darkfall where it was a big open world and there was no restriction on who you could fight, people would band together, fight other groups of players, conquer and defend their cities, and when your character died, all of your stuff you had on you was lost. Fighting players was a high risk high reward endeavor (similar to Eve if you've ever played). I was, for about a year, a leader of one of these groups (called clans) of about 15-25 people.

My responsibilities included:
-negotiating alliances and mercenary contracts with other clan leaders
-resolving inter and intra-clan strife, disputes and drama
-organizing and commanding city defense, raids and general shot-calling for combat
-leading meetings to discuss current events

Put it down as leadership experience on application, Y/N?
 

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So,

I used to play a game called Darkfall where it was a big open world and there was no restriction on who you could fight, people would band together, fight other groups of players, conquer and defend their cities, and when your character died, all of your stuff you had on you was lost. Fighting players was a high risk high reward endeavor (similar to Eve if you've ever played). I was, for about a year, a leader of one of these groups (called clans) of about 15-25 people.

My responsibilities included:
-negotiating alliances and mercenary contracts with other clan leaders
-resolving inter and intra-clan strife, disputes and drama
-organizing and commanding city defense, raids and general shot-calling for combat
-leading meetings to discuss current events

Put it down as leadership experience on application, Y/N?
I played SC2 competitively for a while and was involved in organizing local tournaments + management......... and even that I didn't write in.

E-sports are more of a recent phenomenon and is still attempting to be more recognized.... but even then for a majority of people it is just fooling around.

Perhaps in about 50 yrs it may be worth considering... but just being an online guild leader is almost nothing, even in the e-sports category. If you have to dig and use this as a leadership experience you need to do more.

Don't do it.............. wait.............. nah don't do it.
 
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never know who'd on the other side of your application... But, 99% chance the person reading that will think your video game addiction was a waste of time
 

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I played SC2 competitively for a while and was involved in organizing local tournaments + management......... and even that I didn't write in.

E-sports are more of a recent phenomenon and is still attempting to be more recognized.... but even then for a majority of people it is just fooling around.

Perhaps in about 50 yrs it may be worth considering... but just being an online guild leader is almost nothing, even in the e-sports category. If you have to dig and use this as a leadership experience you need to do more.

Don't do it.............. wait.............. nah don't do it.
Darkfall isn't even E-sports though. At least esports is a legitimate career path now. I do agree with you. In 20 years, Esports might be recognize with as much prestige as a traditional sports :D or i hope at least haha
 

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I'd reject you on the spot.


So,

I used to play a game called Darkfall where it was a big open world and there was no restriction on who you could fight, people would band together, fight other groups of players, conquer and defend their cities, and when your character died, all of your stuff you had on you was lost. Fighting players was a high risk high reward endeavor (similar to Eve if you've ever played). I was, for about a year, a leader of one of these groups (called clans) of about 15-25 people.

My responsibilities included:
-negotiating alliances and mercenary contracts with other clan leaders
-resolving inter and intra-clan strife, disputes and drama
-organizing and commanding city defense, raids and general shot-calling for combat
-leading meetings to discuss current events

Put it down as leadership experience on application, Y/N?
 

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Being a board wargamer, I'd just have to trot out the US 2nd Armored Division, or Soviet 5th Guards Tank Army.

Careful. He might bring his clan of 15-25.
 

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I wrote about being a Guild Leader on my High School National Honor Society application...but I'm guessing it's different for Medical School.
 
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Whats funny is that this is probably 100 times more important to everyone involved than just about any fundraiser or student origination that a student could possibly lead. I've seen people bust valuable tech and relations up over those bindings for thunderfury when I was in middle school. On the other hand, the most significant emotions i've ever seen anyone express over real student "responsibilities" and "leadership experiences" would be mild annoyance and stres. I'd argue that GMing a raid guild is probably one of the best "leadership experiences" a person could get outside of the military considering you have to micromanage like 100 people But no, ADCOMs are old people and you really shouldn't even be telling them you play video games. Remember, your hobbies are sports or hiking or something cool.
 

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Whats funny is that this is probably 100 times more important to everyone involved than just about any fundraiser or student origination that a student could possibly lead. I've seen people bust valuable tech and relations up over those bindings for thunderfury when I was in middle school. But no, ADCOMs are old people and you really shouldn't even be telling them you play video games. Remember, your hobbies are sports or hiking or something cool.

Don't do it
 
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The secondary fatigue is strong with this one.
 
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Whats funny is that this is probably 100 times more important to everyone involved than just about any fundraiser or student origination that a student could possibly lead. I've seen people bust valuable tech and relations up over those bindings for thunderfury when I was in middle school. On the other hand, the most significant emotions i've ever seen anyone express over real student "responsibilities" and "leadership experiences" would be mild annoyance and stres. I'd argue that GMing a raid guild is probably one of the best "leadership experiences" a person could get outside of the military considering you have to micromanage like 100 people But no, ADCOMs are old people and you really shouldn't even be telling them you play video games. Remember, your hobbies are sports or hiking or something cool.
But there's absolutely zero way anyone else outside can (or even want to) know. It's the same with any other gaming/e-sports related phenomenon. Unless you were a functional coach, manager, or international player like EG that won the last dota2 tournament with millions of dollars (Vancouver, Canada represent!), how is running a simulation any more valuable to interacting with people in person? I also do remember EVE online being an absolutely huge game in terms of faction organization......... but when you combine that with people who skip work to manage these groups, or the negative publicity..... hard to change people's mind or even have them understand.

This leads to one of the biggest problems of gaming in general........... all the lessons learned can be difficult to apply in person since most people become complacent interacting in front of their console or computer. It's a different dynamic having a person in front of you.
 
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Whats funny is that this is probably 100 times more important to everyone involved than just about any fundraiser or student origination that a student could possibly lead. I've seen people bust valuable tech and relations up over those bindings for thunderfury when I was in middle school. On the other hand, the most significant emotions i've ever seen anyone express over real student "responsibilities" and "leadership experiences" would be mild annoyance and stres. I'd argue that GMing a raid guild is probably one of the best "leadership experiences" a person could get outside of the military considering you have to micromanage like 100 people But no, ADCOMs are old people and you really shouldn't even be telling them you play video games. Remember, your hobbies are sports or hiking or something cool.
Communicating and interacting with people online is just a whole different experience than doing it in real life. When you present anything video game related on your apps it usually comes off as favoring solitude rather than embracing the possibility to interact with people.
 
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Fire In the East, Cobra, Panzergruppe Guderian, Battles for the Ardennes...among others.

Is it Flames of War that you play? :-D
 

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Fire In the East, Cobra, Panzergruppe Guderian, Battles for the Ardennes...among others.
I was always interested in giving Flames of War a shot, but man, those models are expensive!
 

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I've never been good at figure wargaming, nor at the tactical level in board wargaming. Give me an armored division in the Ardennes, or a Soviet Tank Corps on the steppes of Russia, and I'm a holy terror.

I was always interested in giving Flames of War a shot, but man, those models are expensive!
 
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If he has a great GPA / MCAT , would you invite him? He is quite creative in his "leadership experience"!
 

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I would put it, theres a positive correlation between video gameplay experience and dexterity :)
 
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