Liaison Psychiatry and Dentistry

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I came across the name of a new subspecialty in psychiatry called "liaison psychiatry" .This subpecialty is a branch of psychiatry that works at the medical- psychiatric interface (as well as the dental-psychiatric interface). It's interesting how in latter years, various health professions are working in conjunction with members of other health domains. Are people in this forum familiar with liaison psychiatry? What are your experiences, if any, with dental phobic patients or patients presenting with symptoms in the head and neck area (eg. burning mouth syndrome and other orofacial pain syndromes) which were of psychosomatic origin?

From the article :
http://www.priory.com/psych/dentpsych.htm

"Liaison psychiatry is fast emerging as a well-recognized subspecialty within psychiatry . The boundaries of this subspecialty are ill defined and extend into various branches of medicine. Though psychiatric consultation liaison in dental practice is still in its infancy in this country, the contribution of behavioral sciences in management of psychosomatic symptoms in patients presenting to dental specialists was recognized early elsewhere

Dentists spend a considerable amount of time treating patients who present with either psychiatric disorders like depression and anxiety or with physical manifestations of underlying emotional disturbances. Common manifestations of covert emotional disturbance in patients in dental practice include oral dysaesthesia, atypical facial pain and other atypical syndromes. Increasing attention needs to be given to identify and appropriately treat somatoform disorders, more so, as they constitute one-third to one-half of referrals to any liaison psychiatry service .

Recognizable psychopathology is seen in up to 30% of patients attending dental clinics :eek: and this often goes undetected and hence untreated. Dental specialists, often come across patients, who present with complaints of pain, abnormalities of sensation, movement and salivation involving the mouth and face, which are a manifestation of underlying emotional disturbance and not due to a clearly identifiable physical cause. Early and appropriate recognition of such emotional distress would benefit both the individual and the health service.

Given the prevalence and impact of unrecognized and untreated psychiatric disorders in patients presenting in dental practice, there follows the need for a service to address this unmet need. This would directly provide a framework for psychiatric- dental liaison and indirectly lead to better understanding of psychiatric disorders by dental specialists, which in turn will lead to early identification and referral to such a service if one exists. It has been shown elsewhere that availability of psychiatric liaison service will lead to an increase in rate of referrals."

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Liason psychiatry really isn't all that new, as psychiatrists have been doing it in an official or unofficial capacity for years. It has traditionallly been lumped in with C/L or "consultation-liason" psychiatry, which recently became a board certified psychiatry specialty.

All I know is that I've probably got to have some major tooth work done this coming month, as my oral surgeries and caps placed when I was a high-school/college hockey player are now coming back to haunt me. I don't respond well to anesthesia, and have a very short lived effect from locals. They call me a "fast acetylator." That's a whole other thread. Am I phobic? Not really. Reasonable pain isn't that big a deal. Do I hate the friggin dentist? You bet your sweet ass.

Those chairs are torture chambers. Dentists perform a very evil albeit necessary service.
 
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Anasazi23 said:
Liason psychiatry really isn't all that new, as psychiatrists have been doing it in an official or unofficial capacity for years. It has traditionallly been lumped in with C/L or "consultation-liason" psychiatry, which recently became a board certified psychiatry specialty.

All I know is that I've probably got to have some major tooth work done this coming month, as my oral surgeries and caps placed when I was a high-school/college hockey player are now coming back to haunt me. I don't respond well to anesthesia, and have a very short lived effect from locals. They call me a "fast acetylator." That's a whole other thread. Am I phobic? Not really. Reasonable pain isn't that big a deal. Do I hate the friggin dentist? You bet your sweet ass.

Those chairs are torture chambers. Dentists perform a very evil albeit necessary service.

Yes, I love to torture ;) :laugh: Why else did I choose this profession?
 
Anasazi23 said:
Clarification:

I hate going to the dentist. I don't hate dentists per se.


Next time I go I'm insisting on general (anesthesia).

And I don't care HOW much the assistants argue with me!
 
Solideliquid said:
Next time I go I'm insisting on general (anesthesia).

And I don't care HOW much the assistants argue with me!

Do you need THAT MUCH dental work ? :eek:
 
Solideliquid said:
Next time I go I'm insisting on general (anesthesia).

And I don't care HOW much the assistants argue with me!

Do you really
A. Want a dentist using heavy sedation
or
B. Want to pay for anesthesia administered by a CRNA or anesthesiologist?
 
ORBITAL BEBOP said:
Do you really
A. Want a dentist using heavy sedation
or
B. Want to pay for anesthesia administered by a CRNA or anesthesiologist?


You all make very valid points. But the pain...
 
Solideliquid said:
You all make very valid points. But the pain...

Please specify what triggers this pain. Is it a toothache? The needle? The drilling? Which procedures?
 
Smilemaker100 said:
Please specify what triggers this pain. Is it a toothache? The needle? The drilling? Which procedures?

All of the above.

Speaking of psychoanalysis and your above comment (which I know was joking) about liking to torture people....

Talk to any analyst about why dentists went into their profession, and be prepared to discuss sadism at least, and certainly an unconscious desire to inflict pain either as a result of an unresolved oedipal, or manifestation of an unresolved anal phase.
 
Anasazi23 said:
All of the above.

Speaking of psychoanalysis and your above comment (which I know was joking) about liking to torture people....

Talk to any analyst about why dentists went into their profession, and be prepared to discuss sadism at least, and certainly an unconscious desire to inflict pain either as a result of an unresolved oedipal, or manifestation of an unresolved anal phase.

Liaison psychiatry's role in dentistry to psychoanalysis in just 10 posts! Wow.
 
Anasazi23 said:
Liason psychiatry really isn't all that new, as psychiatrists have been doing it in an official or unofficial capacity for years. It has traditionallly been lumped in with C/L or "consultation-liason" psychiatry, which recently became a board certified psychiatry specialty.

All I know is that I've probably got to have some major tooth work done this coming month, as my oral surgeries and caps placed when I was a high-school/college hockey player are now coming back to haunt me. I don't respond well to anesthesia, and have a very short lived effect from locals. They call me a "fast acetylator." That's a whole other thread. Am I phobic? Not really. Reasonable pain isn't that big a deal. Do I hate the friggin dentist? You bet your sweet ass.

Those chairs are torture chambers. Dentists perform a very evil albeit necessary service.

One of the reasons that C-L changed names to Psychosomatic Medicine was to boot out the "liaison" reference (though I don't much like the name Psychosomatic Medicine either).
The "consultation" part was assessing the pt and their coping in the setting of medical illness, and then helping them adapt, using medications, therapy, whatever. The "liaison" part was assessing the treater's reactions and coping style in dealing with a (perhaps "difficult") pt or family, and helping them adapt. The liaison peice is waht tended to get psychiatrists written off as kooks by other specialities in the hospital setting.

See:

Murray GB. The Liaison Psychiatrist as Busybody. Annals of Clinical Psychiatry 1:265-268, 1989.

Funny, and well worth digging up at the library.
 
Liaison Psychiatry

Liaison (a French term meaning “to bind”) was first used by Billings in 1939, and refers to activities that promote an awareness of psychiatric and psychosocial issues in patient care. These educational contacts can be either formal (e.g. structured teaching rounds) or informal.

A frequent comparison of the consultation model is that of “putting out fires.” while liaison may be conceptualized as lecturing on “fire safety.”



Conducting Psychiatric Consultations (2000)
 
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Anasazi23 said:
All of the above.

Speaking of psychoanalysis and your above comment (which I know was joking) about liking to torture people....

Talk to any analyst about why dentists went into their profession, and be prepared to discuss sadism at least, and certainly an unconscious desire to inflict pain either as a result of an unresolved oedipal, or manifestation of an unresolved anal phase.

I can assure you that my motivations to enter the dental profession had nothing to do with me being a sadist or a person suffering from the Oedipus complex or the unresolvement of Freud`s anal phase of child development. :laugh:

Ever hear of the biblical proverb (Luke 4:23) `Physician, heal thyself`? I think that a number of psychiatrists went into the profession because of a subconscious desire to understand themselves. ;) :laugh:
 
Anasazi23 said:
All of the above.

Speaking of psychoanalysis and your above comment (which I know was joking) about liking to torture people....

Talk to any analyst about why dentists went into their profession, and be prepared to discuss sadism at least, and certainly an unconscious desire to inflict pain either as a result of an unresolved oedipal, or manifestation of an unresolved anal phase.


I'm with the professor on this one :)
 
Solideliquid said:
I'm with the professor on this one :)

I can assure you that my motivations to enter the dental profession had nothing to do with me being a sadist or a person suffering from the Oedipus complex or the unresolvement of Freud`s anal phase of child development. :laugh:

Ever hear of the biblical proverb (Luke 4:23) `Physician, heal thyself`? I think that a number of psychiatrists went into the profession because of a subconscious desire to understand themselves. ;) :laugh:
 
I volunteer at an urban subacute inpatient ward and many of our clients have horrific dental problems. I have often tried to imagine the brave souls that do extensive dental work on some of our more psychotic clients. This sounds like it would be a great service for someone who handles a number of mentally ill clients already. Or maybe even as an placement/internship opportunity at dental schools that handle low-income or community clients?
 
vesper9 said:
I volunteer at an urban subacute inpatient ward and many of our clients have horrific dental problems. I have often tried to imagine the brave souls that do extensive dental work on some of our more psychotic clients. This sounds like it would be a great service for someone who handles a number of mentally ill clients already. Or maybe even as an placement/internship opportunity at dental schools that handle low-income or community clients?

Actually, these type of patients are usually state insured and are often referred to hospital based dental clinics. When a patient requires full mouth rehabilitation ( a lot of dental work), they are placed under general anesthesia and all the dental work is done in one session. Unfortunately, the waiting time for such procedures can be really long and it can only be done every few years for a given patient.
 
Smilemaker100 said:
I can assure you that my motivations to enter the dental profession had nothing to do with me being a sadist or a person suffering from the Oedipus complex or the unresolvement of Freud`s anal phase of child development. :laugh:

Ever hear of the biblical proverb (Luke 4:23) `Physician, heal thyself`? I think that a number of psychiatrists went into the profession because of a subconscious desire to understand themselves. ;) :laugh:


Hmmm, Yes...

I've seen this before. Classic resistance. Right Doc Samson?
;)
 
Anasazi23 said:
Hmmm, Yes...

I've seen this before. Classic resistance. Right Doc Samson?
;)

Well... I think all of us in pretty much any of the health professions have to be comfortable with inflicting some degree of physical pain. Even when we know it's in the patient's best interests, it's worth figuring out how we metabolize the guilt associated with it (if there really is NO guilt, then I might start to worry).
 
Anasazi23 said:
Hmmm, Yes...

I've seen this before. Classic resistance. Right Doc Samson?
;)

Yes, you hit it right on the nose, doc ! I am TENACIOUSLY resistant! ;) :laugh:
 
Doc Samson said:
Well... I think all of us in pretty much any of the health professions have to be comfortable with inflicting some degree of physical pain. Even when we know it's in the patient's best interests, it's worth figuring out how we metabolize the guilt associated with it (if there really is NO guilt, then I might start to worry).

Yes, I do feel a sense of guilt when a patient feels any degree of discomfort, especially when I have kids in the dental chair, and I haven't even started the treatment and they are already starting to act up ! The maternal side of me gets out the kleenex to wipe those little tears away and attempt to reverse that upside down smile. :( Saturday is typically pediatrics day at the clinic I work at . While it can be fun, it can also be mentally exhausting to be so patient ! :rolleyes:

Dental patients are so unpredictable that it is difficult to even stereotype them ! :rolleyes: Sometimes, I'll have a four year old :love: come in for his first appointment , requires a filling or an extraction and he/she won't react to the needle and even falls asleep on me (thank goodness for that mouth prop to stop them from closing their mouth on my drill! ) ! :D Other days, I'll have an adult patient who over reacts worse than any pediatric patient I have ever had ! :rolleyes:
 
Murray GB. The Liaison Psychiatrist as Busybody. Annals of Clinical Psychiatry 1:265-268, 1989.

Funny, and well worth digging up at the library.

sorry to bump such an ancient thread, but I've been looking for this (after having lost a barely legible photocopy of a photocopy) without luck. it's not online and my hospital library doesn't have it... anyone have it scanned or other suggestions?

thanks
 
sorry to bump such an ancient thread, but I've been looking for this (after having lost a barely legible photocopy of a photocopy) without luck. it's not online and my hospital library doesn't have it... anyone have it scanned or other suggestions?

thanks

Message DocSamson, I'm sure he might be able to dig up the old copy he got from Stern ;)
 
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