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Hi Everyone,

I recently been accepted to a private school in USA (the only school as well), but I would need to take out a 360,000 loan. I am debating if it is feasible to graduate with this amount of money to pay back (not including interests..) or should I just give up on this dentistry dream?

I am interested in learning about how people on this forum are paying their loans back and would you suggest taking the loan and become a dentist, obviously strictly speaking from a finance standpoint.

Let me know your thoughts!

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Hi Everyone,

I recently been accepted to a private school in USA (the only school as well), but I would need to take out a 360,000 loan. I am debating if it is feasible to graduate with this amount of money to pay back (not including interests..) or should I just give up on this dentistry dream?

I am interested in learning about how people on this forum are paying their loans back and would you suggest taking the loan and become a dentist, obviously strictly speaking from a finance standpoint.

Let me know your thoughts!


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Congrats on being accepted! Do you know what type of loans you would qualify for and at what interest rates? If you have to take out all private loans, they can have very high interest rates. And as you mentioned, interest accrues during school so $360k could be $500k upon graduation.

If you can, try to see what the total would be at end of graduation including accrued interest. Then calculate what a repayment would be. How do you feel about this number? Is it doable based on the average dentists salary?

If you have US government backed loans, you will qualify for certain repayment options like income based repayment. After a certain number of years (25 years I believe), the rest is forgiven and is treated as taxable income to you in that year.

I know people who do take out this amount in loans- dental school is super expensive- but it is a tough road. And if you think about getting married, kids, buying a house, whatever your personal goals are the loans can really be a set back and impact your relationships. So, I’d say try to run the numbers the best you can and really make the decision with both eyes open.

And, if you are thinking of a specialty or need a GPR year, don’t forget to think about that. It is often tough to pay back loans in a GPR salary.

Good luck!
 
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You'll find many threads on the forums that discuss this to no end... I'm the contrarian that thinks it's worth it, but supposedly that amount of debt load is not payable for long periods of time if you look at average dental incomes. If you're flexible enough to work wherever it takes to make money and willing to work hard, then you can pay that off in no time. Are you planning to practice in US or Canada? If you have no other alternatives to make a good amount of money, then you should definitely do dentistry as long as you have a plan.

Generic GP Strategy is:
1. Associate to have startup capital / already have enough money to start or buy office
2. ???
3. Profit

All jokes aside, second step should be to start or buy an office. Popular opinion around here? Buy an office. I did a startup and wouldn't go any other way unless the office was extremely cheap and had potential. Ultimately, to pay your loans back, you need step 3 (Profit) either from associateship or practice ownership. Practice ownership is probably the best way to pay your loans back AND have a decent lifestyle. I would assume that we don't exist/live just to pay off our loans, but have creature comforts as well. What's also debatable is how much profit you can extract/leverage from a dental practice for investing and debt servicing. You'll have a spectrum of dentists starting from those buried in debt and IBR is not even covering interest all the way to paying their loans off in a year or two.

Numbers to think about when making the plunge for student loan debt:
1. How much is your aggregate debt by the time you're working?
2. How much is the interest on your projected debt (monthly)?
3. What's your lowest income potential, medium income potential, and peak income potential?
4. This is where the leap of faith comes... how can you go from lowest to medium to peak? Does going from low to mid to high require capital (it does if you're going to own a practice) or are you going to improve your clinical speed/skills to do more dentistry as an associate/owner?
5. Now, for the risk v. reward weigh in... if your rough calculations show that your interest is going to be higher than your lowest post-tax income, then you need an exit strategy to get out of the cycle of debt (see bullet point 4). Otherwise, you're stuck in a positive feedback loop of your financial situation getting worse and worse. You have IBR as a stop-gap measure to save up money to go through the entrepreneurial route, but you don't have the option to discharge this type of debt. This is where I assume most people falter. If you're going for the clinical speed/skill route as an associate, you need to know how to work under stress with large volume.
6. Invest or pay off loans. If you have investment opportunities that can yield at least 2-3% more than student loan interest rates, go invest. Otherwise, pay it off faster.

It's not easy, but this is my thought process on how you succeed out of the "supposed" death cycle of student loans. I still think it's worth pursuing if you have no other alternatives to making 500k+/yr.
 
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Hi Everyone,

I recently been accepted to a private school in USA (the only school as well), but I would need to take out a 360,000 loan. I am debating if it is feasible to graduate with this amount of money to pay back (not including interests..) or should I just give up on this dentistry dream?

I am interested in learning about how people on this forum are paying their loans back and would you suggest taking the loan and become a dentist, obviously strictly speaking from a finance standpoint.

Let me know your thoughts!
Give up your dentistry dream and then do what with your BS degree? Don't see this loan as an obstacle but as a motivation to work as hard as possible. If I didn't have any student loan or if I had rich parents, who help pay for everything, I would just take things easy and would not work as hard as what I have done in the last 15+ years.

My wife and I owed a total of $450k in student loan, which was probably equivalent to $600-700k in today's dollars. We planned to pay these loans off in 10-20 years (some loan terms were 10 years, some were 20 years) by making the minimally required payments of $4500 every month. We didn't want to pay more than the minimum because we also wanted to reward ourselves with nice things like a nice house, Ethan Allen furniture, BMWs and Mercedes etc. We worked 6-7 days not because we had to but we because we wanted to make as much as possible. We hired a live-in nanny to take care of our new born son and daughter, so we could work 6-7 days/week. As specialists, I traveled to 6 different offices (I still do now....but the work load is a lot lighter now) and my wife traveled to 10+ offices. Fortunately for us, the unexpected and rapid rise in home values during the 2002-2008 period had allowed us to make a large sum of money.... and we used this profit to pay off the entire student loan in 5 years (15 years sooner than what we originally planned).

As our kids got older and needed more attention from us, my wife stopped going door to door to meet the referral GPs. As the result, she has lost a lot of patients. And now, she only has enough patients to work from 9am-12pm, 2-3 days/week. With zero loan to pay back, she doesn't need to work as hard as before. She does a lot of volunteer works at our children's schools so she can spend more time with them. Many of the friends her age still have to work F/T to put food on the table.
 
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Don't make the minimum payments. If you do, the overall amount can easily balloon to over a million dollars. I heavily recommend joining the military. The Army, Navy, and Air Force have the HPSP scholarship that pays for the entire tuition plus provide a monthly salary. This is the best route because you would not have to worry about enormous debt. In exchange, you get an opportunity to serve in the military. An alternative to the HPSP is the National Guard HPLRP. They don't pay for school but they give a stipend and drill pay while in school. Additionally, when you graduate you have the opportunity to get bonusses of 25K/yr for 3 yrs plus loan repayment of 40K/yr for 6 yr
 
I'm one of the "high debt" dental students as well, and I plan to do REPAYE (for federal loans) and put aside some money every month to save for the tax bomb later on.
 
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