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Well, again acceptance is not based on scores ONLY......Especially in Loma Linda, They have a dexterity test (in case you did not know), and then they select people for interview based on the dexterity test........so, decision is based on scores, resume, dexterity test, interveiw....and what ever else they are looking for......
Loma linda interview is one of the challenging interviews as far as I know.....

kpat.
 
Hi I am new user of the site......
Got to read lot of good suggestions here.

Kpat,
I wanted to know do they have preferance for students with part II?

how to prepare for dexterity test when you do not have work permit ?

I would appreciate your reply

thanks
 
Ketu, LLU dexterity test is carving in chalk and some other things. So you don't necesarily need a work permit to practice that.

Yasi, remember that LLU is a religious school, and as kpat said their interview is supossed to be one of the thoughest ones.
A panel of people in front of you, isn't exactly relaxing, specially when they start asking about your views in their religion.
 
that is very funny meggs if LLU really cares about the religion of their applicants..so if someone is not an advantist..he should never try..
good u say..i will start looking for the adventist church that is closest to our house:laugh:
 
Originally posted by Henna
If you have lot of money to throw away, why not ?
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not neccessarily henna,being a 7th day adventist school does not mean that all student must be adventists,the majority might be,but not all of them,i think its so similar to mount sinai which is a jewish hospital though it has resident from various religione, muslims&christains and buddist.
 
toothlord,you are right, LLU do accept candidates who are not adventists.I personally know someone who is not even a christian who got accepted .from what he told me,good work experience and reco letters also matters .as he is doing a master's program in U.S he got letters from his well reputed professors.according to him that helped his case .so there is no harm in trying,i guess, if one has an excellent resume...
 
Originally posted by gsmm
that is very funny meggs if LLU really cares about the religion of their applicants..so if someone is not an advantist..he should never try..
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:laugh: Well, not necessarily. I bet there are at least a few Indians in their IDP, non adventists I mean. But I'm sure having a nice letter from a pastor/preacher helps. 😉 But are sure you want to stop eating pork chops and stay put from Fri to Saturday. 😀
 
oooops..i didnt know they have such strict ruless..but for the sake of the admission..i really should do anything😍
 
Well ! I studied in SDA school and yet I felt very uncomfortable with their philosophy.
 
Originally posted by meggs
:laugh: Well, not necessarily. I bet there are at least a few Indians in their IDP, non adventists I mean. But I'm sure having a nice letter from a pastor/preacher helps. 😉 But are sure you want to stop eating pork chops and stay put from Fri to Saturday. 😀
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really?????
i thought they dont forbide eating pork...
 
Ketu229,

Honestly I do not know if they prefer people w/ part II scores NOW, because when I applied, I had not given partII yet....

Like meggs said, you do not need a permit for the dexterity test. Also, I did not even practice and did not know what we would be asked to do.....

And, in the interview, when did ask casually about my religion, and I am a HIndu and answered it to the point w/out hesitation and upon asking about seventh day adventists, I told them honestly that I did not know a thing about it.......but i was aware of it as one of the religion. Lomalinda was infact my 1st choice. So, anyone who is out there that is giving up on lomalinda just b'coz of their reputation, DO NOT! it is a great school and students there get the best clinical experience compared to all the other school that offer IDP program....based on what I know. So, if you spending the time and money get the best experience and learn as much as you can......

kpat
 
you dident tell us Kpat,did they accept you,or its under process right now?
 
😀

That was 7 ys back......yes they did and no, i did not go there....
 
I sometimes feel like I am too old to be here........ 😕
What do guys think?
 
we cant give you an answer because we dont know your age Kpat..!!
 
nice try, toothlord 🙂

But see, out moderator will be unhappy if I give out my personal info as we are not supposed to do that.....

Well, I was lucky not to have lost time before going back to school here.... so, go figure.....
kpat
 
Originally posted by kpat
nice try, toothlord 🙂

But see, out moderator will be unhappy if I give out my personal info as we are not supposed to do that.....
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Eh ! Really ??
 
Originally posted by Henna
Well ! I studied in SDA school and yet I felt very uncomfortable with their philosophy.
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You mean college or high school? Did you ever applied to LLU?
 
Originally posted by kpat
So, anyone who is out there that is giving up on lomalinda just b'coz of their reputation, DO NOT! it is a great school and students there get the best clinical experience compared to all the other school that offer IDP program....based on what I know.
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And is the cheapest and shortest IDP out there. 21 months long. I don't remember tuition, but is was wayyy cheaper than the rest.
 
Hi guys,
i was going thru this link and felt interesting and i thought i have to post here. I appeared for Loma linda and got thru the dexterity test and couldnt succeed thru the interview. As far as i know it is a fantastic school with excelent IDP program (might be the best among all). They will have a separate clinics for the IDP students and all the difficult cases will be given to the IDP students. The only negative point i saw, u feel very lonely and there is no hype in the place. If u want to enjoy in the program other than the work, u better dont go there. Cos i didnt find much activity. And the second point is the religious activities where i think every one has to go to chapel on saturday and the course work, where u have to read about christianity. But by weighing with the other options they are negligible. Coming to the dextrity test, it is not tough as not easy either. U have to carve alphabets on Plaster of paris block, carving a flower diagram on an acrylic plate, making a molar out of clay and finally u have to make a cube using sticks, and sticky wax. And coming to the interview , it is an terrific, exciting interview, where u will hav 5 persons sitting infront of you and asking questions. Generally the questions will be general but if u r lucky/ unlucky u might have a clinical viva. which i had. :clap: . The questions they ask are the religion questions, smoking and drinking along with the regilar interview questions.
And the selction process is very unpredictable. u never know whom they will select. 😀 . I think they have some internal problems in selection process. The recomondation but not the reco letters, do work a lot as i know one person who didnt get thru the dexterity test last year , but that person is a student right now in the program :wow: It is a very surprising thing. Isnt it.
Finally i wanna say that it is a very good program, and if u get selected u rlucky, and if u werent selcted dont feel bad as there are many excellent programs out here, but belive me that there are many internal conspiracies in that 😍

Have a nice day

Indiandentist
 
so...in short this sounds like a "missionary school" with the main objective of converting you to christianity (read as "christian dentist") and not to impart education! that sucks!
i rather die than go to a school like this, which "dictates" me what am supposed to do and what am not supposed to do!
ps: lomalinda univ claims that they are an "equal oppurtunity affirmative..........no distinction will be made based on color, RELIGION , race............":laugh:
 
you know what guys..it sounds interesting to me..i am thinking of applying for next year, the point is why they invite you to an interview if they are only looking for christians..i guess this information is not very accurate..i think they are looking for conservative people (not specifically christians)..because they dont want anyone to spoil their religious enviroment..
this is only my opinion.
 
gsmm may be right....
i personally dont think they r very biased about religion.i know a person who is attending this program.i think she joined this year. she is not a sda or even a christian.unfortunately she is my friend's friend ,so i dont have enough information about her interview.if i get it ,i will definitely post it.
i have definitely heard abt their preferences for california residents.i am not sure if it is true or not.guess unless we experience it first hand we wont find out. so guys if u want to try applying go ahead,its a wonderful school and way less expensive😀
 
Originally posted by KAJALKIRAN
so...in short this sounds like a "missionary school" with the main objective of converting you to christianity (read as "christian dentist") and not to impart education! that sucks!
i rather die than go to a school like this, which "dictates" me what am supposed to do and what am not supposed to do!
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No kajal, actually they are great in their clinical aspects. They won't try to convert you to their religion, but they do want you to respect it, and don't openly violate what they are agaisnt. Like no smoking and drinking in campus, no saturday activities, etc.

If someone decides to join there, they know before hand they ought to respect their beleifs.

As gsmm said, they probably rather have conservative people (even if they aren't adventist) who would not disrupt their environment.

I remember reading a long time ago in different threads, that they do accept people from any religion (of course, adventist have a preference), as long as you're willing to respect them. They don't necessarily tell you what do and not to do.
 
Hi guys,
Meggs is right in that sense as they wont force you to convert you to their religion but they expect you to respect it. But finally it is a fantastic school in the sense of excellent pateint pool and fee. Those are the strong points of any school and as far as i know they r ranked number one among all the dental schools in USA in student exposure to the patients (Clinical productivity) So guys start workig to get there but i sincerely suggest you to do some very good ground work before applying there. You will understand what i mean by groud work for Loma Linda. hahhahahah. And i came to know that one gal got in to this year program as hers........... working in the dental school , even though she is comparitively less competent than the many of the students who attended the interviews. So u must know other ways to get in to program too.:laugh: I am not mean in this but this is what felt and concluded and i am sorry if it is hurting some one.

Have a nice day


indiandentist
 
thanks Meggs,

Actually I thought that they make you prepare Class II amalgam and Inlays, so I was worried.
As you said I think it will be easy. I have not applied yet but after appearing for part II in march I will be applying soon.

Kpat,

I am hindu too. well religion does not matter to me since I beleive that there is only one god and these are all his forms ,and people have chosen one according to their choice.
I would surely like to try this school according to your experience.

thanks Kpat

Ketu
 
hi everybody,

I agree to Indiadentist's point, they cannot force you to change your religion. Secondly take it in positive sence that you will know the history of one more religion. Beleive me there are so many good things hidden in these religion history books.
And our main aim is to get the education, leave rest of the things there when you are back.
well what is the groud work that is needed to get into loma linda as said by indiadentist can you specify it? if you dont mind.

kajalkiran,

No you should not think in that manner, just go for your aim, so what if you have to attend those classes on saturday, take positive things from them and leave back what you dont like.
 
i think he means recommendations from people working over there who know you personally and can support u!!

however this cant be always the case..
i wish all the best for the people who will be applying for next year.
by the way does anyone know when does loma linda start accepting applications for 2005 class?
 
thanks gsmm,

you can start applying now the dead line is september 30th ....
 
hi kajal kiran,

The groud work i mean is that u need to know some one who can influence in the program. Cos i have reco letters from two of the alumni of Loma Linda Univeristy and i worked in seventhday adventist programs too. But still they didnt consider all this. I think now u must be familiar with what i mean by the groud work.
And i have found one more interesting thing in Loma Linda, They have around 8-10 indian students in before last years batch and 2-3 in last years batch and as far as i know only 1 is there in this years batch. So the resons can be they dont want to take indian students or a very good competetion from rest. But my experience tells me that they have some problems with the indianstudents. ( It is my opinion only). Any way all the best to you all.

Indiandentist
 
Hi,
i think u had an excellent experince there at Loma Linda and i pity for you. I could see thru the postings that u got accepted there at UCSF and i think it is also a very good college.
All the best
 
hey guys,
i received the LLU application form today. they have said here Part 2 highly recommended.......does this necessarily mean that we can apply with only part 1 socres. their deadline for 2005 is sept 2004. i wanted to give my part 2 in dec. so should i still try and apply anyway.

no offence to the people at loma linda but i am a christian. some of my friends told me that if i study there i will end up with 2 professions when i graduate

1) dentist
2) Padre

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
Originally posted by lasjy

no offence to the people at loma linda but i am a christian. some of my friends told me that if i study there i will end up with 2 professions when i graduate

1) dentist
2) Padre
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Padre is a Catholic preacher. Adventists have preachers, pastors, etc. they don't have Padres.


About part 2..... I remember I few months ago reading some post in which people who applied to LLU got rejection letters, in which they were encouraged to take part 2 and apply again. One of the rejectees did that, but she got rejected AGAIN. I don't remember who they were, but you could do a forum search and find out.
 
hi all

i want to say something about lomalinda university.as far as i know ,it 's a good universitiy both clinically and in research especially in endodontics program .
i know that a professor whose name is Torabi nejad ,director of endodontics department, has a different religion from 7 advantis.
www.aae.org/newstorabinejad.html
and he is already elected president of the american association of endodotics.
i think lomalinda at least has a more clear policy regarding admission than some university like upenn ,because nobody knows what are their factors for admission despite the fact that i got an acceptance letter too

😛
 
hey DVK,

are you interested in Endo?

kpat
 
Originally posted by meggs
Padre is a Catholic preacher. Adventists have preachers, pastors, etc. they don't have Padres.


About part 2..... I remember I few months ago reading some post in which people who applied to LLU got rejection letters, in which they were encouraged to take part 2 and apply again. One of the rejectees did that, but she got rejected AGAIN. I don't remember who they were, but you could do a forum search and find out.
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i wanna ask you something meggs and other guys here,do you know do they have a rolling admission or not? does it affect your application status if you apply early or late? or you should just apply before the dead line?
 
hey kpt

yes, I am,but let 's first grow the young cow(advanced standing) up and then deal with endo:laugh:
 
DVK,

well, that is the right way to go about it......
I see a lot of people here just wanting to go for MS for the sake of getting a license........it's a little disappointing.....but, I also know a person can get desperate and frustrated.....
Well, good luck.

kpat.
 
Originally posted by kpat
DVK,

well, that is the right way to go about it......
I see a lot of people here just wanting to go for MS for the sake of getting a license........it's a little disappointing.....but, I also know a person can get desperate and frustrated.....
Well, good luck.

kpat.
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well.....maybe because not all of us are as lucky as you, to get admitted at both (IDP and MS)?

I'm sorry kpat, but I found that post a little offensive.
 
for the second time,does loma linda have a rolling admission?
 
Loma Linda has only one interview session in which they select for 16 positions and split them into 2 batches of 8 each. One starts in March and the other in September. However, their selection criteria some how seem to be skewed (May be justified as their's is a missionary funded school). For stats they looks like called around 80 from India, interviewed 3 and selected 1.
 
Originally posted by meggs
well.....maybe because not all of us are as lucky as you, to get admitted at both (IDP and MS)?

I'm sorry kpat, but I found that post a little offensive.
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Well,
my intention was not to offend anybody....
What i meant is it does not make sense to apply for a MS iand specialise in one area if you really are not interested in that subject......imagine just doing root canals or treating kids if you don't really like endo or pedo......yeah, you got your license, but you should be able to enjoy it! For ex.,I hate ortho and I would not have done MS in ortho no matter what......


And program directors do not encourage people that want to get into the program if they are not a 110% interested in that......and that is the main reason why it is more difficult to get admission into specialty directly. Also, it is not fair to some body who is REALLY interested in a particular area and does research and has to compete with someone who wants to do it just to get a license......! I know it sounds harsh and it is competitive out there, but life unfortumately is full of challenges.......

I know I was lucky, but I got my DMD only because I wanted to do MS only in Endo and I know how competitive it is........
And beleive me, apart from being lucky, I've worked my @$$ off.....

I hope you get the picture......

Good luck to you and I sincerely beleive you will get your magic letter soon.....looking forward to reading it on here.... 🙂

kpat
 
Originally posted by kpat
it does not make sense to apply for a MS and specialise in one area if you really are not interested in that subject......imagine just doing root canals or treating kids if you don't really like endo or pedo......yeah, you got your license, but you should be able to enjoy it!
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I agree with you Kpat, it's really unfortunate if some one is doing specialty just for a license. Besides if he/she wants to settle in US, then may land-up in severe licensure problems. ( e.g. if forced to move to another state which won't accept specialty for licensure).

As DVK rightly point it out, lets grow the young cow first...,
Unfortunately foreign trained dentists has to go through this 2 year advanced standing programs, unlike foreign trained physicians, who can directly join residency.

Well, it's tough in any case to get-in highly competitive residency program, which require patience and perseverance, and if someone dreaming of it, going through IDP is the best (though expensive and long) route.

I wish of a IDP with tution waiver and research assistance. :laugh:
 
Originally posted by DDS_FIGHT
Loma Linda has only one interview session in which they select for 16 positions and split them into 2 batches of 8 each. One starts in March and the other in September. However, their selection criteria some how seem to be skewed (May be justified as their's is a missionary funded school). For stats they looks like called around 80 from India, interviewed 3 and selected 1.
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thanks for the information.
 
I wish of a IDP with tution waiver and research assistance. :laugh: [/B][/QUOTE]

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Wouldn't that be neat! 🙂
 
I agree with meggs, kpat post is little offensive and her reply is even more! There are a lot (or few?) ways to get a license; it doesn?t mean that only doing an IDP is legal and royal way. But it is good for someone who wants settle down here permanently. But what about the people who cant afford such an astronomical fee and a circus of applying, interviews, and didactic tests.
For that matter why a fully graduated foreign dentist has to go back to 3rd year of a dental school? When physicians get into speciality residencies directly after USMLE? That means foreign medical education is OK for USA and not the dental education?
This is because they need someone at residency level and they can?t fill with US medical graduates alone. Unfortunately there wont be much residencies in dentistry left for foreigners.
I think IDP also as worst as doing MS in a speciality you are not genuinely interested,. it is just another way to get a license! No body wants to go back to 3rd year of school, paying hell lot of borrowed money and ?enjoys? it. I guess IDP is there to get the license, or else anybody wants to donate 150-250 k generously to a dental school? It is even more degrading ourselves being a 3rd year student than doing a MS in a speciality which you don?t like much (who knows, someday you might like it). When you don?t like both the ways and aim of both ways is obtaining a license, what is wrong in choosing the less expensive, easier one?
If you (WITH DMD and research) think you are equal to a guy with none of your qualification and a he is a competion to you, why do you have to go through all the pain of DMD and research? Or other way around if you think you are in a better position than him, you don?t have to worry about the competion with a less qualified guy.
Tell me honestly kpat , if you can get a license just after taking NBDEs like USMLE, would you go to UPENN paying 130k? And wasting two years?
I never heard any foreign physician after USMLE going to a medical school instead of a residency.
We poor souls with lot of craze for west has to go through the all these tests..IDPs?MS? bench tests ?to get the license, because our degrees are not recognised here. And then there is no point in arguing one way is better than other.
ps: if you a get a license with MS, that license will not restrict you to practise only in that speciality.
 
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