Louisiana State University/Alton Ochsner Medical Foundation

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I'm a little confused- on the website it says it is a three-year program. Was it ever a four-year program?
 
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Positives:
- Laid back atmosphere
- Nice people
- Ochsner is a nice hospital
- Good vacation time: 3 wks in PGY-2, 4 in PGY-3 and 4, and you get mardi gras and other holidays off
- Call isn't too rough

Negatives:
- So many different small town locations (Independence, Lafayette, Houma, Baton Rouge, Bogalusa), you only spend 6 months of each year in New Orleans. Residents commute to most places, which is an hour each way. This cuts into study time, or at least it would for me.
- $250 for travel expenses each month "doesn't cover it" according to residents
- No free lenses
- No pay for review courses - you must pay your own way and use "educational leave" time

Undecided:
- Didactics are 2-6 p.m. every week day. You watch via teleconference if you're somwhere else (?)

Overall: LSU/Ochsner isn't a bad program, especially considering what happened to New Orleans. I personally didn't like having to spend half of each year traveling to small towns in Louisiana to get adequate clinical experience. The people were friendly, and you seem to get good exposure to different areas and decent numbers, but New Orleans overall and the moving around didn't sit well with me. Also, I'd be scared to commit 3 years to N.O...what happens if another big storm hits and destroys everything all over again?
 
As a current LSU-Ochsner resident and someone who is not originally from the SE I wanted to update this thread from the last post a couple years ago. I've tried to discuss most of the topics that I found important while I was on the interview trail.

**Location**

I had never lived in the SE prior to starting residency so one of my greatest concerns prior to moving to New Orleans was "what if another hurricane occurs?" It was somewhat comforting to hear that during Katrina, the LSU-Ochsner Ophthalmology program was one of the few in New Orleans that did NOT need to send its residents to other programs. Every region has its downfalls with weather, but the benefit of the SE is that it's sunny and warm almost year round (hence the reason why there is a hurricane season). The city itself is amazing in that it has a completely different feel than any other city; saying the restaurants and bars here are amazing doesn't do the city justice (and most locals go to areas outside of bourbon street).

One benefit of the program is that it's joint between LSU and Ochsner so you get to rotate in both community and private clinics. While rotating at the LSU sites you basically get to run your own clinics and have complete autonomy. From talking to other ophtho residents around the nation, they are typically impressed to hear about all the procedures residents get to do - even during their first year (see below for details). The staff and fellows are readily available if you have questions, but they do provide you with complete autonomy. The Ochsner clinics give you exposure to the private side of Ophthalmology and are fully functional without residents. That being said you have the opportunity to evaluate patients and then discuss your treatment plan with the attending to make sure you are providing the standard of care. The private facilities are obviously nicer and you get exposure to how things in private practice are done.

A major disadvantage of the program is the number of satellite sites that we have. Most of the sites provide apartments that are similar to what people lived in during undergrad. Residents are provided an additional stipend for the sites which do not provide housing and require a daily commute (none during the first year). I'll agree that it is a pain to change locations every 6 weeks, but one advantage is that you get exposure to a variety of attendings and get to learn a variety of different surgical techniques/approaches.

**Staff**

The program is undergoing a number of positive changes as Dr. Jayne Weiss is now the new chairman for the department – she is a Cornea specialist and was the Course Chair for the BCSC Series. An added benefit of the joint LSU-Ochsner program is that there are multiple sub-specialists in every field (we have more than 5 Retina, 2 oculoplastics, 3 glaucoma, 5 cornea, 1 neuroophthalmology, and 2 pediatric specialists). This doesn't include the 3 retina fellows and 1 glaucoma fellowship positional available. The staff and fellows are very friendly (in my opinion) and create a positive learning environment.

The program does accept 8 residents per a year and one of the things that stuck out in my mind during the interview process was how close all the residents in the program are. We really are all very close and hang out at bars/restaurants outside of work very frequently.

**Lecture Schedule**

This is currently being adjusted. Right now we have weekly lecture every Wednesday from 2-5 pm and then Grand Rounds from 5-6 pm. They are toying with the idea of keeping weekly grand rounds but having lectures be one full day per a month instead of weekly. There are no weekend lectures. The lectures are broadcasted to all the satellite sites so you do not need to travel back to NOLA for them. Ochsner has a wet lab and LSU has an eye simulator which are both available 24/7 to the residents.

**Surgical Numbers**

As mentioned above, the residents have a lot of autonomy and get to do a number of procedures – starting in their first year. It is very common for first year residents to do PRPs, YAG Caps, PIs, Intravitreal injections, and a variety of surgeries (Conj biopsies, pterygium excisions, extracapsular cataract extractions, IOL injections). The numbers vary every year, but residents average in the low 100s for cataract extractions by the time they graduate (the ACGME requires 86 to graduate) - the reason we rotate at so many sites is so that all 8 residents can have good surgical numbers.

**HR stuff**
Residents do get 4 weeks off per a year which are taken in one week blocks. They additionally also get 1 week of educational leave to attend review courses. Ochsner provides residents with a book fund each year. The program does provide a copy of the BCSC Series during your first year. The program will pay for your trip if you present a poster/lecture at a conference. They do not however provide lenses/loupes/compensation for trips to Academy.

Advantages

.-.City of New Orleans
.-.Laid back atmosphere with approachable staff and the residents are very close
.-.Multiple sub-specialists in every field
.-.Being able to rotate at different sites helps you learn different surgical techniques
.-.Good surgical numbers
.-.Good patient autonomy when at the LSU sites
.-.4 weeks of vacation + 1 week of educational leave per a year
.-.BCSC provided along with a small annual book fund
.-.A pre-lim medicine year at Ochsner is provided (optional)

Disadvantages

.-.Satellite rotation sites – you spend just over 6 months per a year in New Orleans
.-.Program does not pay for loupes/lenses
.-.Weather during hurricane season (every place has its downfall, but it's something everyone considers after Katrina).
.-.2 weeks of mandatory orientation prior to your PGY-II year (only an issue if you do your first year outside of Ochsner)

Hopefully that helps answer some questions. Feel free to PM me if you have questions and I'll be happy to answer them. I don't check SDN regularly, but I'll try to respond in a timely fashion.
 
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bump - any updates since the program has now decreased from 8 residents to 6 residents?
 
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As a current LSU/Ochsner resident, I thought I could shed some accurate light on the program. I wanted a residency program that would get me into a good fellowship but was not malignant, and I believe that sums up LSU New Orleans.To start, here is a list of the fellowship match for last year’s graduates.
Cornea - Tufts
Oculoplastics - Duke
Retina - University of Alabama
Pediatrics - University of Wisconsin
Glaucoma - University of Wisconsin (this resident is from Wisconsin and did not want to go anywhere else).
Glaucoma - Tulane
2 residents went into general ophthalmology, including the resident who had the highest OKAP score. They felt well prepared for practice and did not want to specialize.

Our attendings are very approachable and friendly. In speaking with friends at programs in more high-intensity areas like New York, my experience has been very different from theirs in that they often feel overworked and under-appreciated. . Although I have no desire to stay in Louisiana long-term, I constantly find myself thinking that I would want to stay here for fellowship because of the great work environment.

We are an excellent clinical program and, unfortunately for our patient population, there is considerable ophthalmologic pathology. Traditionally, we have not been research-heavy, but this is changing now with our new chair(wo)man Dr. Weiss, former chair of the FDA Ophthalmic Devices Panel and recent chair of American Academy of Ophthalmology Basic and Clinical Sciences Course.

I would like to address some previous posts on student doctor.
1. “The state of Louisiana is having issues with its health care…budget cuts…negative consequences for its graduate medical training.”
These cuts have been in effect for over a year now. They have not affected ophthalmology at all. However they have resulted in rural small community hospitals providing fewer services to the poor. This results in more of the poor traveling great distances to New Orleans and some of the surrounding hospitals. Jindal is trying to center health care, particularly subspecialty health care, in New Orleans as a way of cutting costs. To accommodate the new influx he is currently building a 1.2 billion dollar hospital as well a brand new VA. Both will be state of the art and operational by early 2015.
2. “Back when I was a resident a few years ago LSU was a terrible program with very low surgical numbers. Tulane is def the better of the new Orleans programs.”

- Our fellowship match speaks for itself. A terrible program would not be able to send its residents to such strong fellowship positions.
- With respect to surgical numbers…while we currently do not have excessively high surgical numbers, we meet ACGME requirements and are on par with any other large city such as DC or New York. Our average cataracts are around 115 to 120. Not amazing, but certainly not terrible and near the national average. That number should increase to about 160 for the incoming class. We are also cutting our residency program from 8 to 6 residents to get higher surgical numbers. We required 8 residents per year before Katrina, but after almost a quarter of the city population left we have not required the same number of residents.
- Is Tulane a better program? Hard to say. I am as close to being unbiased as possible as I have as many friends from Tulane Ophtho as LSU Ophtho .After talking with both groups of residents our step scores and class ranks are essentially the same. Both programs have one or two people with Steps in the low 250s but most of us are right at the national average of 238. For the most part our fellowship match is comparable with some variation from year to year. Most residents currently at Tulane and LSU interviewed at both programs, and ranked one higher than the other based on personal preference based on interactions with faculty, interview experience, etc. Both sets of residents were equally competitive.

3. “I believe a retina fellowship at LSU was cut because of the inability to fund one.”
- Before the healthcare cuts were put into effect there were talks about cutting the retina fellowship down by one fellow. However, after seeing that the cuts have not affected Ophthalmology, LSU continued to take its normal number of fellows – a total of 3 per year (2 one year, 1 the following year, 2 again, and so on). Nothing has changed. In addition, Ochsner has its own retina fellowship which takes one every other year.

4. “The travel issue”
- Currently residents are in either Lafayette or Baton Rouge 3 months out of the year. Lafayette is 2 hours away and Baton Rouge is a 1.5 hours drive. We also go to Houma, which is only an hour drive away. If you are used to LA traffic then that is a normal commute to work. We are currently traveling because Charity Hospital was shut down after Katrina. However a new $1.2 billion hospital is currently being built that will be staffed by both LSU and Tulane. Travel should not be an issue after 2015. However, I sincerely hope they keep the Houma rotation, as the staff and attendings are fantastic and it is a great place to practice. In the unlikely event that we are still traveling in 2 years, residents are able to come home on the weekends and call is light so its very manageable. While on my away rotations I really only spent 4 nights away and 3 nights in New Orleans – not too bad. Tulane residents also travel - they do 3-4 months away as a first and third year. They do not do away rotations as a second year, however their away sites are 3-4 hours away in much smaller towns and they are not allowed to come back on the weekends while they are on call. I would like to stress that most likely neither Tulane nor LSU will have away sites once the new hospital is built. On the off chance there are still away sites significantly reduced time will be spent at them.

LSU/Oschner is a great place to train. We have diverse institutions. Oschner, where we spend 4 months of our first year, is primarily wealthy patients. Call at Ochsner is moderately busy. ILH is a rough inner city hospital. The trauma and call is intense and you will often go in multiple times a night. Sleep is minimal while on ILH. You will get your ruptured globes, eyelid lacerations, and gun shot wounds to the eye - enjoy! This is only 3.5 months of the year so you have the rest of the year to recuperate. At ILH you learn all the required skills to handle trauma. I’m glad we don’t spend the entire year here – otherwise, there would be little time to study. The away rotations (Lafayette, Baton Rouge, and Houma) offer a lot of autonomy, great pathology, and light call. We typically start at 8:30 AM and end by 4 PM. That means for 4 months out of the year I have ample time to study. I feel I am much further ahead in BCSC reading than my friends at other programs because of this. I can also get up early before clinic to read.

To summarize:
· Strong clinical program
· Good fellowship match
· Diverse patient populations
· Plenty of time to study for OKAPs
· Healthcare funding cuts in Louisiana have not affected ophthalmology
· Amount of time at away sites will be reduced by 2015.
· 2 brand new hospitals opening in 2015 totaling close to 2 billion dollars
· Approachable attendings
 
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Any updates on the oschner clinic this year? I know there was talk about less travel outside of New Orleans since their building a new hospital. Is this a real change?
 
1. “The state of Louisiana is having issues with its health care…budget cuts…negative consequences for its graduate medical training.”
These cuts have been in effect for over a year now. They have not affected ophthalmology at all. However they have resulted in rural small community hospitals providing fewer services to the poor. This results in more of the poor traveling great distances to New Orleans and some of the surrounding hospitals. Jindal is trying to center health care, particularly subspecialty health care, in New Orleans as a way of cutting costs. To accommodate the new influx he is currently building a 1.2 billion dollar hospital as well a brand new VA. Both will be state of the art and operational by early 2015.
2. “Back when I was a resident a few years ago LSU was a terrible program with very low surgical numbers. Tulane is def the better of the new Orleans programs.”


4. “The travel issue”
- Currently residents are in either Lafayette or Baton Rouge 3 months out of the year. Lafayette is 2 hours away and Baton Rouge is a 1.5 hours drive. We also go to Houma, which is only an hour drive away. If you are used to LA traffic then that is a normal commute to work. We are currently traveling because Charity Hospital was shut down after Katrina. However a new $1.2 billion hospital is currently being built that will be staffed by both LSU and Tulane. Travel should not be an issue after 2015. However, I sincerely hope they keep the Houma rotation, as the staff and attendings are fantastic and it is a great place to practice. In the unlikely event that we are still traveling in 2 years, residents are able to come home on the weekends and call is light so its very manageable. While on my away rotations I really only spent 4 nights away and 3 nights in New Orleans – not too bad. Tulane residents also travel - they do 3-4 months away as a first and third year. They do not do away rotations as a second year, however their away sites are 3-4 hours away in much smaller towns and they are not allowed to come back on the weekends while they are on call. I would like to stress that most likely neither Tulane nor LSU will have away sites once the new hospital is built. On the off chance there are still away sites significantly reduced time will be spent at them.

Some Updates on the program

Fellowship Match 2015-2016:
Pediatrics - UCSD
Retina - Tulane
Glaucoma - Tulane
Cornea - Cole Eye Institute

The travel issue:

Residents still travel to away sites approximately 5-6 months out of the year. This is so the program can make their surgical numbers. This year most residents will get approximately 130-140 cataracts each. Residents don't love traveling, but the program puts us up in fairly nice accommodations with cable TV, washer dryer and fitness centers at nearly every site. The diversity in patient pathology is pretty awesome at the away sites. Another perk is working with various attending and different equipment at each site. This creates a versatility and ability to adapt that is great when you get out into practice or academics. The away sites also offer a ton of autonomy and there are a lot of procedures and lasers to be performed into these locations.

The new hospital is built, but due to care being established in so many of the away sites it is difficult to just back out of these and remove care from the patients. The state of Louisiana does not provide transport to their patient population and many of our patients have no way of getting to New Orleans. We are very much needed at these away sites. Also, the program does not yet have more OR time at the new hospital. If the program obtains more OR time, and more staff for cataracts, then maybe more residents can be centered in New Orleans at the UMCNO clinic. Currently the LSU 3rd years do not operate at the VA New Orleans. The new VA is opening later this year and this may be the time for the 3rd years to get back into the VA and operate alongside Tulane. Time will tell.

In general, LSU/Ochsner is a solid program with good autonomy and clinical training. Like any middle tier program it has its strengths and weaknesses, but it has made a strong comeback since Katrina. The program strengths are definitely in Retina and Pediatrics. Our residents get some of the highest numbers in muscle surgery across the country. For retina, residents usually perform barrier retinopexy or PRP with binocular indirect ophthalmoscope. This is a great skill to have, and many programs across the country teach residents to laser only at the slit lamp.
 
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