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I've been hearing a lot of different things on this. Someone told me the military basically lives and dies by amalgam...doesnt use any type of composite. I was told they even make crowns using amalgam (I didnt even know those existed haha). Basically...does the military really short-change its dentists on materials? If you read military literature they will tell you they have state of the art this and top of the line that...but is this really the case? Does it vary from branch to branch?
 
There's good and bad. There is a ton of amalgam used in the Army, but no one tells you how to practice. At least on the Army side a lot of it depends on the patient. We are dealing with a pretty unique population, even though soldiers are young and healthy, they live off caffiene and cigarettes. You would too if you had to stay awake for a 12 hour shift on a guard tower with nothing to look at. Constant smoking or dipping and sodas ruins a mouth and for a lot of these guys amalgam is a solid clinical choice. A lot of them don't care about having a little silver in their mouths either. Some of it will vary on the base your at, a base with a big infantry battalion will have worse oral health than those at Fort Sam Houston where most soldiers are medical. You will do more than a few WFT Amalgams (Whole Freakin' Thing in Amalgam), also full cuspal coverage amalgams (where you buildup all the cusp tips in amalgam) are a really good idea if a patient just had a molar endo done and is deploying before he can get a crown on it. It minimizes tha chance one of those weakened walls will crack off and become unrestorable during his deployment, instead just the amalgam just chips and you still have tooth left to do a crown on when he gets home. So, sure the Army uses a lot of amalgam, but in most cases it's not a bad thing.

As far as materials go, it's generally not a big deal unless you are in Korea, Iraq, or some other remote location. Otherwise, your local supply can order pretty much anything you want as long as it's in the Henry Schein catalog, they can special order some other things also. I've never been to a place that doesn't have composite and most places have a good selection of anterior and posterior. You can order whatever posts and things you want, somethings for specialties, like thermafill for endo, would have to be approved by the local endodontist.

Equipment is another story, if it costs more than a couple hundred bucks it needs approval by the clinic commander, which isn't always easy. The other thing is, it's always hard to get things around September/October when the fiscal year changes over.

Overall, it's not too bad, can you choose to have your electric handpiece for crown preps, or the quietest highspeeds you can find? No. Do you usually have everything you need to do high quality dental work? Yes. You can purchase things on your own and use them in the clinic, which I may do when I get back home for stuff I'll use when I get out, like the combined RootZX endo handpiece.
 
In the AF, if it is a viable proven material, then there should not be an issue. I use a variety of composites, Glass ionomers, temporary materials, provisional materials, etc. And yes, you young pups, amalgam! There is still a time and place for it in the military AND civilian practices.

The AF is big on technology. We have a group of guys at Great Lakes Naval Station who spend their time testing materials and equipment. If they give it the ok, your commander's and supply guys will have a hard time saying no. The AF actually pushes state of the art technology.
 
Yet another reason the Air Force is better than the Army. I wouldn't say the Army pushes technology, they seem more of the make do with what you have mindset. If you want something they don't have you'll have to work to get it.
 
The AF is big on technology. We have a group of guys at Great Lakes Naval Station who spend their time testing materials and equipment. The AF actually pushes state of the art technology.

That's b/c they don't have to worry about fighting wars. They're not called the Chair Force for nothing.
 
I've been hearing a lot of different things on this. Someone told me the military basically lives and dies by amalgam...doesnt use any type of composite. I was told they even make crowns using amalgam (I didnt even know those existed haha). Basically...does the military really short-change its dentists on materials? If you read military literature they will tell you they have state of the art this and top of the line that...but is this really the case? Does it vary from branch to branch?

I'm a big proponent of Amalgam. I find the uses very versatile and user friendly. I haven't even heard of amalgam cuspal coverage buildups until i came into the AF. I was very skeptical at first and was even adamant about not using amalgam larger than an MOD. But when i saw patient after patient with amalgam crowns that lasted 10-15+ years (on E5 and above) i was sold. I now try to convince my patients that metal in the mouth is an excellent option to have. However, if a patient doesn't want that much metal, i'll offer CERAC as an option. How many military, or private clinics out there can say they have CERAC and use it proficiently?
 
That's b/c they don't have to worry about fighting wars. They're not called the Chair Force for nothing.


Ask a soldier or a marine seeking shelter behind an abandoned building with insurgent 50 cal sniper riffle or RPGs ready to fire when he sees a US serviceman stick his head out. Oh yea, don't forget he Airman who is hunkered down with them kicking in doors. I'll bet you they are pretty happy when an F-22 with laser guided missiles comes screeching across the horizon. I'll bet you they have a different opinion of the AF.

Or ask the airman who's driving the convoy bringing in supplies. Better yet ask the OMS in Balad when he puts someone face back together while the hospital is getting shelled. The military is a lot more purple than it used to be. One fight-one force.
 
Ask a soldier or a marine seeking shelter behind an abandoned building with insurgent 50 cal sniper riffle or RPGs ready to fire when he sees a US serviceman stick his head out. Oh yea, don't forget he Airman who is hunkered down with them kicking in doors. I'll bet you they are pretty happy when an F-22 with laser guided missiles comes screeching across the horizon. I'll bet you they have a different opinion of the AF.

Or ask the airman who's driving the convoy bringing in supplies. Better yet ask the OMS in Balad when he puts someone face back together while the hospital is getting shelled. The military is a lot more purple than it used to be. One fight-one force.

👍 good post!
 
No CERAC in the Army, as I have said the Army is poor on the tech side. CERAC is a great option for those large buildups. Composites are fine for what they were intended, small restorations with limited occlusal contact, but a large composite trying to replace a cusp is going to fail a lot quicker than an amalgam. The military gets a bad wrap for the amount of amalgam it uses but it is a very conservative restoration compared to cutting the tooth down for a crown when it's missing a single cusp. If it fails, the soldier comes in and you do the crown. (Now getting pros done in the Army is a whole other issue but in principal it sounds good.)
 
Ask a soldier or a marine seeking shelter behind an abandoned building with insurgent 50 cal sniper riffle or RPGs ready to fire when he sees a US serviceman stick his head out. Oh yea, don't forget he Airman who is hunkered down with them kicking in doors. I'll bet you they are pretty happy when an F-22 with laser guided missiles comes screeching across the horizon. I'll bet you they have a different opinion of the AF.

Or ask the airman who's driving the convoy bringing in supplies. Better yet ask the OMS in Balad when he puts someone face back together while the hospital is getting shelled. The military is a lot more purple than it used to be. One fight-one force.

👍 Hoooahh
 
It was kinda a joke, but whatever. My entire family is AF but me.
 
There's good and bad. There is a ton of amalgam used in the Army, but no one tells you how to practice. At least on the Army side a lot of it depends on the patient. We are dealing with a pretty unique population, even though soldiers are young and healthy, they live off caffiene and cigarettes. You would too if you had to stay awake for a 12 hour shift on a guard tower with nothing to look at. Constant smoking or dipping and sodas ruins a mouth and for a lot of these guys amalgam is a solid clinical choice. A lot of them don't care about having a little silver in their mouths either. Some of it will vary on the base your at, a base with a big infantry battalion will have worse oral health than those at Fort Sam Houston where most soldiers are medical. You will do more than a few WFT Amalgams (Whole Freakin' Thing in Amalgam), also full cuspal coverage amalgams (where you buildup all the cusp tips in amalgam) are a really good idea if a patient just had a molar endo done and is deploying before he can get a crown on it. It minimizes tha chance one of those weakened walls will crack off and become unrestorable during his deployment, instead just the amalgam just chips and you still have tooth left to do a crown on when he gets home. So, sure the Army uses a lot of amalgam, but in most cases it's not a bad thing.

As far as materials go, it's generally not a big deal unless you are in Korea, Iraq, or some other remote location. Otherwise, your local supply can order pretty much anything you want as long as it's in the Henry Schein catalog, they can special order some other things also. I've never been to a place that doesn't have composite and most places have a good selection of anterior and posterior. You can order whatever posts and things you want, somethings for specialties, like thermafill for endo, would have to be approved by the local endodontist.

Equipment is another story, if it costs more than a couple hundred bucks it needs approval by the clinic commander, which isn't always easy. The other thing is, it's always hard to get things around September/October when the fiscal year changes over.

Overall, it's not too bad, can you choose to have your electric handpiece for crown preps, or the quietest highspeeds you can find? No. Do you usually have everything you need to do high quality dental work? Yes. You can purchase things on your own and use them in the clinic, which I may do when I get back home for stuff I'll use when I get out, like the combined RootZX endo handpiece.

Best post I have seen on this subject, thanks.
 
👍 Hoooahh


Hooahh??? What is hooahh about this? You guys are Air Force, by definition you took the path of least resistance and there isnt anything hooaah about that. Remember, this is an Army fight (you know, the guys doing 15 month tours). If the Army has anything going for it (and I will admit there aint much these days) it is that IT is hooahh and all the other branches are escape routes of sacrifice.
 
Hooahh??? What is hooahh about this? You guys are Air Force, by definition you took the path of least resistance and there isnt anything hooaah about that. Remember, this is an Army fight (you know, the guys doing 15 month tours). If the Army has anything going for it (and I will admit there aint much these days) it is that IT is hooahh and all the other branches are escape routes of sacrifice.

Are we really going to keep doing this? Everyone likes to turn what branch they are in into a giant pissing match. It's pretty ridiculous.
 
Are we really going to keep doing this? Everyone likes to turn what branch they are in into a giant pissing match. It's pretty ridiculous.

Didnt I see you going "amen" to an earlier post defending the AF? So I make a good point and all of a sudden it is a "pissing match"? I think I was simply stating what needed to be said and putting things in the proper perspective. Thats all. (Even if the Army can piss further than the AF)


just kidding about that last part... sort of.
 
Hooahh??? What is hooahh about this? You guys are Air Force, by definition you took the path of least resistance and there isnt anything hooaah about that. Remember, this is an Army fight (you know, the guys doing 15 month tours). If the Army has anything going for it (and I will admit there aint much these days) it is that IT is hooahh and all the other branches are escape routes of sacrifice.

Last time I checked there are lots of Marines in the sandbox being supported by the Navy Dental and Medical Corps. Don't get me wrong, 15 months would suck, but calling the other branches a cop out is a pretty big generalization.
 
Last time I checked there are lots of Marines in the sandbox being supported by the Navy Dental and Medical Corps. Don't get me wrong, 15 months would suck, but calling the other branches a cop out is a pretty big generalization.

Precisely...While the AF doesnt have an infantry..you have to think of things like a boxing match...the army, marines, and even the Navy are the ones who kinda keep the fight alive..and the AF comes in and delivers the big final blow. And going a different route...yes the Army and the Marines are doin the ground fighting..many have tragically lost their lives..but think about how many more would have died if the Navy or the Air Force medical groups hadnt been there. I'd say probably close to double. One hand washes the other.
 
Last time I checked there are lots of Marines in the sandbox being supported by the Navy Dental and Medical Corps. Don't get me wrong, 15 months would suck, but calling the other branches a cop out is a pretty big generalization.

Almost everyone avoids the Army because it is the hardest route to take these days. This is common knowledge. If someone knows that and still chooses the Army, then that is hard core. I dont mean to split hairs here, but isnt the definition of a cop out to take the easy way out (ie Air Force)? I am jealously guarding this point because Army guys should hold their heads a little higher these days knowing what kind of sacrifice they are making vs. the other services.
 
The one reason I like this Military dentistry forum is because we generally give accurate data that is useful to prospective military dentists as well as us already on active. We have always been very helpful, courteous, and respectful of each other. That's what sets this forum apart from many of the others on this site. That is why I contribute.

I think some of you will change your opinions when you are actually on active duty and have the chance to work and serve with professionals from other branches. I have seen plenty of Drs. form each branch that can't march with a ruck sack or complain because it's too hot/cold. You will see that many "preconceived" notions of each branch are fallacies. You will learn, when on active duty, that many of the old roles of each branch are out the window. Like I said before, we are all in this together.
 
The one reason I like this Military dentistry forum is because we generally give accurate data that is useful to prospective military dentists as well as us already on active. We have always been very helpful, courteous, and respectful of each other. That's what sets this forum apart from many of the others on this site. That is why I contribute.

I think some of you will change your opinions when you are actually on active duty and have the chance to work and serve with professionals from other branches. I have seen plenty of Drs. form each branch that can't march with a ruck sack or complain because it's too hot/cold. You will see that many "preconceived" notions of each branch are fallacies. You will learn, when on active duty, that many of the old roles of each branch are out the window. Like I said before, we are all in this together.

I enjoy this forum as well with the respectful discussion of ideas. This will be my last response on this thread because this is obviously going nowhere and has nothing to do with military materials. My "preconcieved notions" are actually the result of three years of active duty time spent with an Airborne Infantry unit. I went through Ranger school with members of all the different services and most of those dudes were awesome. On the flip side, I had an Air Force buddy get paid "sub standard living pay" because he was stationed at an Army Post. There are real and legitimate differences between the branches, but, yes, we are all on the same side.

My point remains: the Army is shouldering the brunt of the fight and deserves a large amount of credit for it. For the beating the Army takes on this forum that oughta be worth something.
 
I also thoroughly enjoy this forum because people tend to support one another. I'm a new recruit, and my choice of joining the AF wasn't the easy way out. It was the SMART decision for me.

Noone joins the military saying I want to join the branch that takes the most amount of sacrifice while receiving the least amount of benefits just to garner attention. If they do, not only is it stupid, but it also hurts the branch because you're telling the government that their "lousy" benefits are good enough for your sacrifice. In which case, you're going to be perceived as even more disposable.

If nobody joins the army, as we're seeing now...benefits go up, negative perception goes down, and pissing matches on SDN decrease. Bottom line...make the SMART choice and things will balance out.
 
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