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MCAT vs Board scores

Discussion in 'Step I' started by Nico, Nov 25, 2001.

  1. Nico

    Nico Junior Member

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    Just a general question for those who may know.
    Do MCAT scores correlate with board scores or do they have nothing to do with each other. Could a person who scored a 25 on the mcat still do very well on the boards?

    Thanks
     
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  3. pags

    pags Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    Well, MCAT performance is a fairly good indicator of future medical school performance, as the same with most standardized exams in other academic arenas. However, in my case, and you can argue amongst yourselves: 27 MCAT, 248 Step II. You make the call...
     
  4. Orthodog

    Orthodog Junior Member 7+ Year Member

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    Well, I totally disagree. I believe MCAT and USMLE scores are only used as screening sources and nothing more. They are poor predictors on how one will perform on the USMLE or specialty boards, respectively. A student's performace on any standardized test depends on many factors, including the mood and overall psychological well being on test day. However, if a student fails the board exam on more than one occassion, then question marks should be raised about the student ability to achieve passing scores on future tests.

    In short, prediciting a students success on one test score isn't practical. However, using these scores to decrease the applicant pool from 3000 to 500-1000 people gives these score much more usefulness in the application process.
     
  5. tweedy

    tweedy Junior Member 7+ Year Member

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  6. ckent

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  7. pags

    pags Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    no comment
     
  8. Big_Poppa DDS

    Big_Poppa DDS Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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  9. bonecutter

    bonecutter Member 7+ Year Member

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    I recently placed the question to our plastic surgery residency director and he said that, while there are exceptions to the rule, in the vast majority of cases he has seen MCAT scores do correlate very strongly with USMLE scores and with subsequent performance on specialty boards. His theory was that, while your score indicates your preparation to some degree, it also indicates your ability to think in a pressured, timed environment, something that is valued by most surgical residency programs. Anyway, hope that is useful

    Bonecutter
     
  10. tulanestudent

    tulanestudent Member 7+ Year Member

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    27 MCAT, 195 Step1, haven't taken step 2 yet, but I hope I can do as well as pags did!

    For both exams, I spent a LOT of time in preparation and practice questions. Additionally, I have worked hard and studied consistently for all my classes in both med school and undergrad (and lead a balanced life outside school too). Despite feeling that I learn a lot and know a lot, I can't seem to get the scores I want on standardized tests. I hope more people post their scores, b/c this topic really interest me.
     
  11. SimulD

    SimulD Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    hey tulanestudent,

    I've heard around here that we generally don't kick butt on the boards (i'm not speaking about you, because I have no idea how good a 195 is)? Is this somewhat true or just LSU-NO propaganda? 'Cause our residency placements are really good, and I'm wondering how we can do it with not as great test scores. I'm just worried that I won't end up doing as well as counterparts at other schools. And how much of it is because of our school compared to how good individuals are at taking tests? I also heard that your class didn't have very much time between the end of 2nd year and the boards ... did that effect things?

    It's just that I don't seem to strain here to pass (and most people don't seem to either), and I'm wondering if that lack of pressure/incentive will eventually hurt us on Step 1.

    later,

    Simul
     
  12. Jim Picotte

    Jim Picotte Senior Member 7+ Year Member

    Well, I posted this in some other forum at one time as well.

    MCAT--32 (10V, 11P, 11B) Can't remember my letter grade.
    Step I--230
    Step II--259

    Studied the most for Step I (about 23-25 days) and I also took some time off between the 1st and 2nd year of med school so the biochem, physio was nearly 3 years out for me for Step I. Studied for about 6 days for Step II but I think the shelf exams in all the clerkships helped a lot. Didn't study for the MCAT but had taken a lot of physics and advanced biochemistry, molecular biology classes when I did take it and I think that helped me a lot for that test.

    If you go even farther back, I did very poor in high school 2.7 GPA (around there) and a 22 on the ACT test which isn't that good from what I understand.
     
  13. MCAT - 34 (12,11,11)
    USMLE Step I - 257
    USMLE Step II - 241

    I spent about two months preparing for both the MCAT and the USMLE Step 1. I did not study for Step II at all since I took it after interviews.
     
  14. squeek

    squeek Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    I recently spoke with someone on the Cornell admissions committe, and he said the following: MCAT scores really only indicate how well you will do in medical school if your score is REALLY low. i.e., really low scores (in the 6-7 range for each section) = likely to do poorly. Students at the mean and above have about equal likelihood of having no trouble passing medical school (notice I said passing, not excelling. The ad com guy also made this distinction).

    I have read there is a correlation between MCAT and Step I scores, but I've also read that men tend to do better on Step I and women better on Step II. According to our dean of education, Step I scores are generally used only as a screening tool for residency. You are placed into pools according to your score--1st tier, 2nd tier, etc. But then your grades and med school activities, performance, and letters are taken into account, and these count for a lot.
     
  15. DrQuinn

    DrQuinn My name is Neo Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

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  16. pags

    pags Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by squeek:
    <strong> You are placed into pools according to your score--1st tier, 2nd tier, etc. But then your grades and med school activities, performance, and letters are taken into account, and these count for a lot.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Do not, I repeat, DO NOT underestimate the power of the interview! If you can't speak or come off as a turd, not even your stellar board scores can save you from the PD's mighty pen.
     
  17. Cassidy61

    Cassidy61 Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    ACT 27
    MCAT 30
    Step I 238
    Step II 241
     
  18. EC

    EC

    Hi Everyone,

    Could someone explain to me what the scale is for boards scores?

    Thanks,

    EC
     
  19. jamdmd

    jamdmd Junior Member 7+ Year Member

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    mcat 35 (11,12,12)
    usmle I 241
    usmle II ?
     
  20. Dr. Nick

    Dr. Nick Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    MCAT 34
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