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Meaning of Life?

Discussion in 'Medical Students - DO' started by Amra, Feb 18, 2002.

  1. Amra

    Amra A Quiet Voice of Reason 10+ Year Member

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    Any thoughts on this? I've been pondering it lately.... haven't come up with any conclusions yet though....

    -A
     
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  3. pags

    pags Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    I gaurantee you will not find it here.
     
  4. Popoy

    Popoy SDN Super Moderator 10+ Year Member

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    There is no answer b/c it's different for everyone.... Good luck in your search :cool:
     
  5. tBw

    tBw totally deluded 7+ Year Member

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    Don't worry about it you won't need it, this topic is not covered on either the MCAT or the boards!
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  6. Tazdoc

    Tazdoc Member 7+ Year Member

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    Thought that maybe this could be of some help to you....

    Here's a hypothetical for you what do you guys think?

    Let's say you had a superior even a transcendent intellect; a mind that was incomparable. I mean no beginning or end to your wisdom. But you found yourself all alone. Then one day you said to yourself, hmmm, I'd like some activity around here. It's too boring and I would like a little interaction.

    You then begin to think, "I know, I'll create people. But how can I form them in such a way that I (and they) will get the most enjoyment from our relationship??? Okay, they definitely should look and be like me. I don't want to make them in such a way that they have to like me, what kind of relationship would that be like if I forced them to like me? They would be just robots or something. And would they fully trust me if I don't give them a choice to like me? No, no, no, they must be given free-choice like I have.

    Next, I want to give them some of the abilities that I have. This way we will have a lot in common, that will make for a great relationship. Hmmm, but now the question is how much of my ability do I give them??? Well, since I'm only doing this because I'm alone and the thing I want is a relationship with these people, and I want to give love and want to receive it back from them, this is what I'll do. I'll prioritize.

    Okay, first, and the most important ability I want to give them is love. This, I can give them immeasurably&#8212;the ability to receive and give it because I will never have to worry about love getting out of hand. No one can give or receive too much love right?

    The second thing I want them to have is expression. I like to express myself so I would like them to as well. I will give them a little of my expressive ability too. Man, are we gonna have some fun!!!

    Then the last ability they will need is intellect. I think this will be a good TOOL for them to use in order to know how and in which way to do the things of expression in the place where I will put them. Yeah, that'll work.

    Well, that's it. Oh, wait a minute, this isn't going to work&#8230;.I forgot something. If I am going to give them a choice of whether to have relationship with me or not then I must give them an alternative (I can't be the only choice, then that wouldn't be a choice at all would it?) How do I do this???

    I will place a system before them that is in diametric contrast to all the attributes that are in me and indeed, the attributes that will be in them (since I'm making them like me). I think this will be good since it will be easier that way for them to clearly recognize me by that contrast.

    Now, how will I initiate relationship with them???? Well, I do know this, I want to respect the free-choice that I gave them. Let me think now&#8230;.my whole reason for making these guys was that I might have a relationship with them. They could be mine and I could be theirs. By priority, what were the abilities I said I was going to give them? Let's see&#8230;. they were Love, Expression, and Intellect. Hmmm, and why was Love the first and foremost ability I gave them? More importantly, why is it the only ability out of the three that I am giving without limit? Oh yeah, I want them to have love over anything else because this is what is suited best for maintaining RELATIONSHIP with me (or with anybody for that matter). Since my expression only works through and by love, making "expression" a priority over love would definitely put things out of whack.

    Now, I decided not to give them intellect beyond measure because these are my people, I'm making them. I mean really, can I make them to know as much as me? Can I make them know more than me? Would you? So then, if I made intellect the number one ability in their lives, what would that do for me? No measure of intellect could or would impress me. In fact, I know that they will confuse the purpose for which I'm giving them intellect. They'll try to use it way beyond the intent it should or could be applied (I just hope they don't try and use their intellect as a way to relate to me&#8230;nah, they wouldn't do that&#8230;or would they??? Hmmm&#8230;.)

    Ok, considering all this, this is how I'll initiate a relationship with them. And I think this will be the wisest. For those who don't choose me and choose the system instead, as long as they are in an active state of choosing that system they will not be able to understand anything about me with the intellect I will give them, no matter how hard they try. In this way, they won't be able to say that it was their great intellectual ability that enabled them to know me. Also, if I made intellect the DOOR in which to pass through for them to have relationship with me, would that mean only the smartest would have the truth? What about those who have low IQ's? How would they find me?

    No, no, definitely, through giving them a free choice, and making the door to pass through to me, one of Love, and not Intellect, ensures that only those who set aside their intellect by placing it within the priority I intended, and thereby humbling themselves, placing Love and their need for Love above all else, will come to know the truth about me and be granted a relationship with me.

    So, bottom line, I think I'll make the intellect in such a way where it will really appreciate empirical evidence. This will be a good thing. They will need it in order to construct their houses and such. They'll enjoy that among themselves (I just hope they don't use it for all of life's applications). But instead of professing the mantra "WHEN I KNOW, THEN I CAN CHOOSE", let it be, with respect to knowing the truth and having a relationship with me, "IT'S ONLY WHEN I CHOOSE, THAT I WILL BE ABLE THEN TO KNOW". Now how wise and intellectual is that!


    Okay, what do you guys think??? It certainly makes sense from the standpoint of logic, doesn't it? The only thing is is that I can't prove to you that it's true.

    But I think you see from the above that God has reserved the part of proving for himself. He doesn't do it through empirical evidence, that's just the way he designed it. But if you sincerely, actively investigate god and his existence (not by what anyone else says about him, but for yourself) and you enter through the door of love and not intellect, I have a feeling you'll find the answer you desire.

    IMHO, the most honest that we all can be is to say we cannot empirically prove the existence or non-existence of God because we can't. In other words, we should be saying,"I don't know" .

    If that is done then that leaves only two camps of people. Those that have made the sincere, honest and substantive effort to seek out for themselves the existence of God according to the prescribed way as indicated in the little hypothetical above, and those that have not.

    Those who have, will try their best to explain to those who have not that they have experienced the presence of God in their lives and now have a relationship with him. Then, they by all means try to prove it to you.

    Those who have not will always say, "how can this be? It doesn't make sense! Prove to me he exists! Therein lies the tension.
     
  7. dlbruch

    dlbruch Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    Well said, Tazdoc.
     
  8. Dagny

    Dagny PGY-1 10+ Year Member

    We go through life searching for meaning....

    but the meaning is in the search itself.
     
  9. Hawk

    Hawk Member 7+ Year Member

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    Very well said Tazdoc! I truly agree with your whole statement. I think that where people get lost in this world is that most of us, to coin a phrase, "Strain at a nat while swallowing a camel." So many of us focus our attention and views to small insignificant things, but by doing such they end up taking all of our vision away. The best thing to do when pondering some thing like this is to step back and look at the eternal view. Ponder things on a larger scale, not the smaller. Do not lose site of what potentially good be the large goal. Closed Mindedness is one of the banes of this world. Everything is organized in this world. If you can't see that after going through chem classes and other sciences then you have to be blind. Organizations exudes itself through everything. For those who have worked on cadavers compared to living flesh there is a huge difference and it is not just the blood. There is a purpose, I am not going to tell you what I think it is, but as I learn and understand more things in this world and see the intricate organization it becomes more clear to me. But even with learning this things it is as Tazdoc stated, learning will only get you so far. True knowledge must come from different route, I feel that love, or charity as it is referred to scripturally, is the best one word definition possible. I don't know if any of this makes sense to you, but if you get anything from this, know that this world is organized for a reason, a certain plan, if you will, and that at the center of everything is a power that did it all. Have a great eternity! :) :) :)
     
  10. John DO

    John DO A.T. Still Endowed Chair 7+ Year Member

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  11. "The Book of Mormon," Alma 34:31-33
    31 Yea, I would that ye would come forth and harden not your hearts any longer; for behold, now is the time and the day of your salvation; and therfore, if ye will repent and harden not your heart, immediately shall the great plan of redemption be brought about unto you.
    32 For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors.
    33 And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therofore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkeness wherein there can be no more labor performed.
     
  12. PalCareGrl

    PalCareGrl Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    Hey B-
    The meaning of life is a life filled with meaning.

    :) L
     
  13. EUROdocMOM

    EUROdocMOM Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    I don't know the answer, but I think it's the only question I WASN'T asked in my UHS interview!
     
  14. H-townComp

    H-townComp Member 7+ Year Member

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    one of the people above was right in that "everyone" has their own answer to this...Me, I truly would encourage you to open the Holy Qu'ran.....
     
  15. doc2b34

    doc2b34 Anesthesiology 7+ Year Member

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    I agree with Dagney,

    I think the meaning of life is what you make of it.
     
  16. jhug

    jhug 1K Member 10+ Year Member

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    man are that they may have joy-- not just a superficial, passing feeling of contentment or satisfaction-- but real, true, complete joy!! This isn't to say that life is a joy-ride!! Life will always throw us curve balls!! But in different trials/hard times we can find a lesson that increases the overall joy/happiness that we feel. Find what really gives you that joy-- whether it's family/friends/nature and you've found a piece of the answer to your question. Interesting post!!!
     
  17. lighthouse

    lighthouse Member 7+ Year Member

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    The meaning of life... An interesting question. I would point you to the book Ecclesiastes. It is a book written by a king who is asking that exact question. He goes through a very philisophical process trying to find the answer. He starts with "Meaningless! Meaningless! Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless. ... I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind." He explains all of the things he tried to fill his life with in order to find meaning and happiness, but all of them disappoint him and leave him empty. By the end of the book he figures out what actually brings him fulfillment and shares the meaning of life.

    I recommend that you read the entire book (it is very short). But for those of you who won't, here is the ending, his finding: "Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil."

    See also the life of Jesus Christ, who declared: "I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly."

    May God grant you clarity on your quest for meaning. :)

    Blessings,
    lighthouse
     

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