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Med School grading system: P/F vs. Grades

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by pocwana, May 18, 2002.

  1. pocwana

    pocwana MD/MBA candidate c/o 2008

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    Hi you guys,
    I've searched, but haven't found a thread that covers this.
    Can people post the grading systems for med schools? From a few med students I've talked to at UCLA, some have ultimately decided upon the school because they are P/F. (I don't know if it's Honors, too.)
    This is a little early to worry about this for me, if I need to worry about it at all, since I'm AMCAS2003, but I think it would be nice to know.
    So, to start the list:

    UCLA P/F

    Thanks! :D
     
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  3. Aria111

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    Adding UCI, UCD, and U.Miami

    So, to start the list:

    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F
    UCI H/P/F
    U Miami grades...i think <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
     
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    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F
    UCI H/P/F
    U Miami grades...i think <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
    Wayne State H/P/F
     
  5. MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (asked tour guide(Scott), secret ranking, top 10% get awards second year)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F
    UCI H/P/F
    U Miami grades...i think
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F
     
  6. Doctora Foxy

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    Adding UF and CMS--both grades...by the way, all of this info is usually listed in the MSAR under "curriculum" for each school :)

    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (asked tour guide(Scott), secret ranking, top 10% get awards second year)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F
     
  7. pocwana

    pocwana MD/MBA candidate c/o 2008

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Doctora Foxy:
    <strong>by the way, all of this info is usually listed in the MSAR under "curriculum" for each school :)
    </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have seen it for some of the schools. I'm just lazy sometimes :D and like things easily accessible.

    Thank you guys for all of your help!
     
  8. GeoffDevil

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    Adding Emory's old-school system.

    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (asked tour guide(Scott), secret ranking, top 10% get awards second year)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F
     
  9. Jalby

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    Hate to say this, but UCLA is not a real P/NP, as the people will find out who go there soon enough (a month into classes). Some of there classes have optional grades, and they are never really optional. I'll put a * next to them.

    And for USC, it's not a secret ranking. The top ten % gets an award based only on two tests at the end of the year. Whatcha got his info from a second year who are under a different system then 1st years and future classes.
    Adding a few schools:

    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western P/F
    Columbia Now P/F
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F
     
  10. djipopo

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    Adding Howard with Honors, Pass, Fail

    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western P/F
    Columbia Now P/F
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    Howard H/P/F
    MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F[/QB][/QUOTE]
     
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    Jalbrekt,

    CWRU is P/F for the first two "non-clinical" years, but the 3rd and 4th year clerkships are graded (honors commendable pass fail).

    For anybody who has posted the other schools' grading systems posted, are you aware of any grading distinctions between the first two years and last two years?

    Cheers
    -a.
     
  12. chak_de_phatee

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    Added Stanford from what I have heard.

    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western P/F
    Columbia Now P/F
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    Howard H/P/F
    MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Stanford p/f
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F[/QB][/QUOTE]
     
  13. randomlogik

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    Adding Hopkins, grades

    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western P/F
    Columbia Now P/F
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    Hopkins, grades
    Howard H/P/F
    MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Stanford p/f
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F[/QB][/QUOTE]
     
  14. Schubie

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    Chicago-Pritzker is P/F.

    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western P/F
    Chicago-Pritzker P/F
    Columbia Now P/F
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    Hopkins, grades
    Howard H/P/F
    MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Stanford p/f
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F
     
  15. rajneel1

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    hopkins just changed their grading to honors/high pass/pass/low pass/no pass or something to that extent (basically grades). it is in their constitution that their students will be graded. stanford is P/F for all 4 years without ranking. some of the UCs are H/P/F for the clinical years. harvard is P/F and then H/P/F for the clinical years.
     
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  17. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by bonecutter:
    <strong>Someone posted that Columbia is p/f. Only half true. The first year is p/f and maybe the second will be soon but the 3rd and 4th years are h/p/f (thank our lucky stars!)

    Bonecutter</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ok surprise surprise....why is that what Jalbrekt and bonecutter said arent a surprise

    it seems like we will be RANKED no matter what!!!

    ok pple

    then u all know from now...even if u go pass/no pass, U ARE STILL RANKED!!!

    so that basically means grades for another 4 years....yuk!!!

    <img border="0" alt="[Wowie]" title="" src="graemlins/wowie.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />
     
  18. pocwana

    pocwana MD/MBA candidate c/o 2008

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    i always thought it was odd to not be on an A-F scale, but instead to be high honors/honors/pass/fail...
    there are so many classifications, is there really any difference?
     
  19. STi555

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by pocwana:
    <strong>i always thought it was odd to not be on an A-F scale, but instead to be high honors/honors/pass/fail...
    there are so many classifications, is there really any difference?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My theroy would be because many students will be happy with pass or honors whereas medical students are not used to getting C's. For an A-F system to meaningful many students would have to get C's and they wouldn't like that whereas people can deal with a pass (P=MD).
     
  20. Nuclearrabbit

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    The pass/fail grading system has the advantages of fostering a less competitive academic environment while trying to foster collaborative learning. However, all schools that i know of have a class rank still, and track your progress throughout the years. AOA still exists at schools with P/F, and they are able to do so because of this internalized class ranking. In addition, the letter from the dean sent to your residency programs will undoubtably reveal to the committee how well you performed. Also, residency directors will put more reliance on the USMLE step I in evaluating you.

    Yet i believe that P/F DOES make the environment less competitive, and puts less stress on medical students. Rather than trying to beat your peers, you simply need to learn as much as you can, and try to stomp the boards.

    Personally, i found the p/f vs letter grade, a very important factor in deciding which medical school to attend. i don't want to be stressed out every couple weeks trying to honor a class because i want to do a competitive match. rather, i can focus on learning as much as i can, working with my classmates and channel my competitive spirit into killing the boards, and not my classmates.

    LONG LIVE P/F!!!
    <img border="0" alt="[Clappy]" title="" src="graemlins/clappy.gif" />
     
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    Tulane is H/HP/P/C/F ... for many, many years. And 70% is the pass line. So, someone correct that.

    Later
     
  22. Adding Tufts, SLU, Maryland, and PSU:

    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western P/F
    Chicago-Pritzker P/F
    Columbia Now P/F
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    Hopkins, grades
    Howard H/P/F
    MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Penn State H/HP/P/F
    Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
    Stanford p/f
    Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Maryland Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F[/QB][/QUOTE]
     
  23. bonecutter

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    You will be evaluated. Take away honors and you still must somehow be differentiated from the rest of the pack. If there were no way to differentiate you from other students from your school and from other schools it will severely limit your appeal to residency directors. They are looking for proven performers. Take away honors and you take away one opportunity to prove your capabilities. Also, in support of p/f, someone said:
    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> i can focus on learning as much as i can, working with my classmates and channel my competitive spirit into killing the boards, and not my classmates.
    </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">While this may be true for this individual, in general when there is no incentive to excel, the group will drop to the lowest common denominator and do just enough to pass, which has frightening implications for performance on boards etc.

    One final thing, I just recently sat down for my dean's interview preparatory to entering next years match, and while I did not honor every course, I was very glad to see the ones I had coloring my transcript.

    Bonecutter
     
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    thanks to all for the truth behind the p/f
    i still hope to get into a school with this system.
     
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    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western P/F
    Chicago-Pritzker P/F
    Columbia Now P/F
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    Hopkins, grades
    Howard H/P/F
    MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Penn State H/HP/P/F
    Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
    Stanford p/f
    Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UConn P/F (no rankings)
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Maryland Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F[/QB][/QUOTE][/QB][/QUOTE]
     
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    Revising CWRU:

    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
    Chicago-Pritzker P/F
    Columbia H/P/F except for first year
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    Hopkins, grades
    Howard H/P/F
    MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Penn State H/HP/P/F
    Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
    Stanford p/f
    Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UConn P/F (no rankings)
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Maryland Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F
     
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    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
    Chicago-Pritzker P/F
    Columbia H/P/F except for first year
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    Hopkins, grades
    Howard H/P/F
    Jefferson H/P/F
    MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Penn State H/HP/P/F
    Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
    Stanford p/f
    Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UConn P/F (no rankings)
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Maryland Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F
     
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    This is very usefull in picking what schools to apply to.
     
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    Correcting MCW

    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
    Chicago-Pritzker P/F
    Columbia H/P/F except for first year
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    Hopkins, grades
    Howard H/P/F
    Jefferson H/P/F
    MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Penn State H/HP/P/F
    Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
    Stanford p/f
    Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UConn P/F (no rankings)
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Maryland Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Whisker Barrel Cortex:
    <strong>Correcting MCW

    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
    Chicago-Pritzker P/F
    Columbia H/P/F except for first year
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    Hopkins, grades
    Howard H/P/F
    Jefferson H/P/F
    MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Penn State H/HP/P/F
    Pitt H/P/F
    Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
    Stanford p/f
    Temple H/P/F
    Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UConn P/F (no rankings)
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Maryland Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Femtochemistry:

    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
    Chicago-Pritzker P/F
    Columbia H/P/F except for first year
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    Hopkins, grades
    Howard H/P/F
    Jefferson H/P/F
    MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Penn State H/HP/P/F
    Pitt H/P/F
    Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
    Stanford p/f
    Temple H/P/F
    Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UConn P/F (no rankings)
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Maryland Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
     
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    Adding GWU

    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
    Chicago-Pritzker P/F
    Columbia H/P/F except for first year
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    George Washington H/P/C/F
    Hopkins, grades
    Howard H/P/F
    Jefferson H/P/F
    MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Penn State H/HP/P/F
    Pitt H/P/F
    Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
    Stanford p/f
    Temple H/P/F
    Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UConn P/F (no rankings)
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Maryland Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F
     
  33. Adding Mercer:

    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
    Chicago-Pritzker P/F
    Columbia H/P/F except for first year
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    George Washington H/P/C/F
    Hopkins, grades
    Howard H/P/F
    Jefferson H/P/F
    MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
    Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Penn State H/HP/P/F
    Pitt H/P/F
    Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
    Stanford p/f
    Temple H/P/F
    Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UConn P/F (no rankings)
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Maryland Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F
     
  34. Papi

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    Adding Yale University

    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
    Chicago-Pritzker P/F
    Columbia H/P/F except for first year
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    George Washington H/P/C/F
    Hopkins, grades
    Howard H/P/F
    Jefferson H/P/F
    MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
    Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Penn State H/HP/P/F
    Pitt H/P/F
    Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
    Stanford p/f
    Temple H/P/F
    Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UConn P/F (no rankings)
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Maryland Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F
    Yale University P/F
     
  35. ellerose

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    Not sure if I am doing this right. Add Mayo with P/F for first year (this year is the first year). I believe they are still toying with the idea of extending P/F to second year. If I am right, I believe 3-4th years are graded.

    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Wendy926:
    <strong>Adding Mercer:

    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
    Chicago-Pritzker P/F
    Columbia H/P/F except for first year
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    George Washington H/P/C/F
    Hopkins, grades
    Howard H/P/F
    Jefferson H/P/F
    Mayo P/F 1st year (maybe 2nd year); graded 3rd and 4th years
    MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
    Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Penn State H/HP/P/F
    Pitt H/P/F
    Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
    Stanford p/f
    Temple H/P/F
    Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UConn P/F (no rankings)
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Maryland Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
     
  36. Jim Picotte

    Jim Picotte Senior Member

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    Adding Michigan State-CHM

    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
    Chicago-Pritzker P/F
    Columbia H/P/F except for first year
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    George Washington H/P/C/F
    Hopkins, grades
    Howard H/P/F
    Jefferson H/P/F
    Mayo P/F 1st year (maybe 2nd year); graded 3rd and 4th years
    MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
    Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Michigan State-CHM 1-2yr P/F, 3-4 yr H/P/F rankings based on clinical years for Dean's letter
    Penn State H/HP/P/F
    Pitt H/P/F
    Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
    Stanford p/f
    Temple H/P/F
    Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UConn P/F (no rankings)
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Maryland Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F
     
  37. MSTP boy

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    nice thread - but no need to stress. ultimately it's your usmle scores which are most important in determining nrmp ranking. so don't sweat classes too badly.
     
  38. revising some info on Tufts.

    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
    Chicago-Pritzker P/F
    Columbia H/P/F except for first year
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    George Washington H/P/C/F
    Hopkins, grades
    Howard H/P/F
    Jefferson H/P/F
    Mayo P/F 1st year (maybe 2nd year); graded 3rd and 4th years
    MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
    Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Michigan State-CHM 1-2yr P/F, 3-4 yr H/P/F rankings based on clinical years for Dean's letter
    Penn State H/HP/P/F
    Pitt H/P/F
    Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
    Stanford p/f
    Temple H/P/F
    Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years), H/HP/P/F during clinical years
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UConn P/F (no rankings)
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Maryland Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F[/QB][/QUOTE]
     
  39. nap

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    editing Pitt

    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
    Chicago-Pritzker P/F
    Columbia H/P/F except for first year
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    George Washington H/P/C/F
    Hopkins, grades
    Howard H/P/F
    Jefferson H/P/F
    Mayo P/F 1st year (maybe 2nd year); graded 3rd and 4th years
    MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
    Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Michigan State-CHM 1-2yr P/F, 3-4 yr H/P/F rankings based on clinical years for Dean's letter
    Penn State H/HP/P/F
    Pitt H/P/F-1st 2 yrs, then Honors, High P, Pass, Low Pass, Fail
    Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
    Stanford p/f
    Temple H/P/F
    Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years), H/HP/P/F during clinical years
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UConn P/F (no rankings)
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Maryland Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F[/QB][/QUOTE][/QB][/QUOTE]
     
  40. ComplexPuzzle

    ComplexPuzzle shakin dat a**

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    this list is real helpful but i didnt see one of my schools maybe just missed it. oh well.
     
  41. Bikini Princess

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    What about which schools grade on curves? :confused:

    I've heard that this is more important than the grading system, because the average score for med school tests tends to be somewhat low. Schools which don't curve tend to have a higher % of dropouts (ie Jefferson).
     
  42. mikegoal

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    adding SUNY upstate H/HP/P/F

    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
    Chicago-Pritzker P/F
    Columbia H/P/F except for first year
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    George Washington H/P/C/F
    Hopkins, grades
    Howard H/P/F
    Jefferson H/P/F
    Mayo P/F 1st year (maybe 2nd year); graded 3rd and 4th years
    MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
    Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Michigan State-CHM 1-2yr P/F, 3-4 yr H/P/F rankings based on clinical years for Dean's letter
    Penn State H/HP/P/F
    Pitt H/P/F-1st 2 yrs, then Honors, High P, Pass, Low Pass, Fail
    Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
    Stanford p/f
    SUNY upstate H/HP/P/F
    Temple H/P/F
    Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years), H/HP/P/F during clinical years
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UConn P/F (no rankings)
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Maryland Grades
    U Miami grades...i think
    U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F
     
  43. CANES2006

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    Reaffirming UMiami's grading policy

    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
    Chicago-Pritzker P/F
    Columbia H/P/F except for first year
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    George Washington H/P/C/F
    Hopkins, grades
    Howard H/P/F
    Jefferson H/P/F
    Mayo P/F 1st year (maybe 2nd year); graded 3rd and 4th years
    MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
    Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Michigan State-CHM 1-2yr P/F, 3-4 yr H/P/F rankings based on clinical years for Dean's letter
    Penn State H/HP/P/F
    Pitt H/P/F-1st 2 yrs, then Honors, High P, Pass, Low Pass, Fail
    Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
    Stanford p/f
    SUNY upstate H/HP/P/F
    Temple H/P/F
    Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years), H/HP/P/F during clinical years
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UConn P/F (no rankings)
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Maryland Grades
    U Miami Grades (in terms of percentages)
    U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F
     
  44. Papa Smurf

    Papa Smurf Thug 4 Life

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    &$#&**(#$&**(#$&**(#$&*(!!!!!!!!!
     
  45. tristate

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    Adding Texas Tech Grades (year 1-3), H/P/F (year 4)
    * this policy will change for the class of 2007

    Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
    Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
    Chicago-Pritzker P/F
    Columbia H/P/F except for first year
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    George Washington H/P/C/F
    Hopkins, grades
    Howard H/P/F
    Jefferson H/P/F
    Mayo P/F 1st year (maybe 2nd year); graded 3rd and 4th years
    MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
    Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Michigan State-CHM 1-2yr P/F, 3-4 yr H/P/F rankings based on clinical years for Dean's letter
    Penn State H/HP/P/F
    Pitt H/P/F-1st 2 yrs, then Honors, High P, Pass, Low Pass, Fail
    Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
    Stanford p/f
    SUNY upstate H/HP/P/F
    Temple H/P/F
    Texas Tech Grades (years 1-3), H/P/F (year 4)
    Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years), H/HP/P/F during clinical years
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UConn P/F (no rankings)
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Maryland Grades
    U Miami Grades (in terms of percentages)
    U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F
     
  46. Trek

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    I dunno who put in the baylor, but it's wrong: should be Honors, High Pass, Pass, Marginal Pass, Fail. I know- blows. --Trek


    Baylor Honors/High Pass/Pass/Marginal Pass/Fail
    Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
    Chicago-Pritzker P/F
    Columbia H/P/F except for first year
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    George Washington H/P/C/F
    Hopkins, grades
    Howard H/P/F
    Jefferson H/P/F
    Mayo P/F 1st year (maybe 2nd year); graded 3rd and 4th years
    MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
    Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Michigan State-CHM 1-2yr P/F, 3-4 yr H/P/F rankings based on clinical years for Dean's letter
    Penn State H/HP/P/F
    Pitt H/P/F-1st 2 yrs, then Honors, High P, Pass, Low Pass, Fail
    Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
    Stanford p/f
    SUNY upstate H/HP/P/F
    Temple H/P/F
    Texas Tech Grades (years 1-3), H/P/F (year 4)
    Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years), H/HP/P/F during clinical years
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UConn P/F (no rankings)
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Maryland Grades
    U Miami Grades (in terms of percentages)
    U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F
     
  47. nylee

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    I think that Hopkins just changed from grades to H/HP/P/F this year...and University of Washington is H/P/F

    Baylor Honors/High Pass/Pass/Marginal Pass/Fail
    Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
    Chicago-Pritzker P/F
    Columbia H/P/F except for first year
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    George Washington H/P/C/F
    Hopkins, H/HP/P/F
    Howard H/P/F
    Jefferson H/P/F
    Mayo P/F 1st year (maybe 2nd year); graded 3rd and 4th years
    MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
    Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Michigan State-CHM 1-2yr P/F, 3-4 yr H/P/F rankings based on clinical years for Dean's letter
    Penn State H/HP/P/F
    Pitt H/P/F-1st 2 yrs, then Honors, High P, Pass, Low Pass, Fail
    Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
    Stanford p/f
    SUNY upstate H/HP/P/F
    Temple H/P/F
    Texas Tech Grades (years 1-3), H/P/F (year 4)
    Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years), H/HP/P/F during clinical years
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UConn P/F (no rankings)
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Maryland Grades
    U Miami Grades (in terms of percentages)
    U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
    U Wash H/P/F
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F [/B][/QUOTE]
     
  48. CANES2006

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  49. Lara

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    Correcting Temple - there's a high pass too. :)

    Baylor Honors/High Pass/Pass/Marginal Pass/Fail
    Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
    Chicago-Pritzker P/F
    Columbia H/P/F except for first year
    Emory A,B,C,F
    Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
    George Washington H/P/C/F
    Hopkins, H/HP/P/F
    Howard H/P/F
    Jefferson H/P/F
    Mayo P/F 1st year (maybe 2nd year); graded 3rd and 4th years
    MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
    Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
    Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
    Michigan State-CHM 1-2yr P/F, 3-4 yr H/P/F rankings based on clinical years for Dean's letter
    Penn State H/HP/P/F
    Pitt H/P/F-1st 2 yrs, then Honors, High P, Pass, Low Pass, Fail
    Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
    Stanford p/f
    SUNY upstate H/HP/P/F
    Temple H/HP/P/F
    Texas Tech Grades (years 1-3), H/P/F (year 4)
    Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years), H/HP/P/F during clinical years
    Tulane A/B/C/D/F
    UConn P/F (no rankings)
    UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
    USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
    UCD P/F
    UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
    UCI H/P/F
    U Florida Grades
    U Maryland Grades
    U Miami Grades (in terms of percentages)
    U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
    U Wash H/P/F
    Vanderbild grades
    Wayne State H/P/F
     

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