Med Schools with NO Military Students

[boomuntilnoon]

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Are there any medical schools without military students? Or should I say military scholarship students? What about former military?

What schools have the most? The least? Are there certain schools that tend to favor the military-types?

Thank you for your enlightenment, sirs.

 

[jbone]

Are there any medical schools without military students? Or should I say military scholarship students? What about former military?

What schools have the most? The least? Are there certain schools that tend to favor the military-types?

Thank you for your enlightenment, sirs.

Why? Are you in the military? just curious. 😀

 

[boomuntilnoon]

Why? Are you in the military? just curious. 😀

Naw, but to quote Trent from Daria, "I have a problem dealing with authority."

 

[NapeSpikes]

Naw, but to quote Trent from Daria, "I have a problem dealing with authority."

What's that have to do with anything? Military or not, we're all gonna get pimped in med school and residency.

 

[Flopotomist]

It will be interesting to see how medical schools (especially those in CA) deal with the Soloman act and the issue of gays in the military.

(many schools are in a tough spot because they have anti-discrimination rules that should ban military recruiters from campus, but the soloman act makes the schools ineligible for ANY federal funding if they deny the recruiters access...)

 

[Law2Doc]

Are there any medical schools without military students? Or should I say military scholarship students? What about former military?

What schools have the most? The least? Are there certain schools that tend to favor the military-types?

Thank you for your enlightenment, sirs.

Having served in the military is considered a great EC in terms of leadership experience and working with people. Thus you are likely going to find folks with this background at all schools. But if you have trouble with authority medicine is not a good field for you -- medicine (especially residency) is quite hierarchichal, and you will be the low man on the totem pole for many many years.

 

[boomuntilnoon]

Having served in the military is considered a great EC in terms of leadership experience and working with people.

Nods, but then again some military types are so out-of-touch with civilian reality that it seems alienating and counterproductive... almost gunner-ish, if you will.

 

[MrBurns10]

Nods, but then again some military types are so out-of-touch with civilian reality that it seems alienating and counterproductive... almost gunner-ish, if you will.

This doesn't really make sense to me. If anyone is "out of touch" with reality it's we civilians, not the people who have served in the military and actually know what's going on in the world from a view not influenced by the media. And what is "civilian reality" anyway? It's certainly nothing they haven't experienced before. They have a different perspective because they have experienced things you and I haven't, and it's not a perspective that I think warrants worrying about.

 

[Tiger26]

"Are there any medical schools without military students? Or should I say military scholarship students? What about former military?

What schools have the most? The least? Are there certain schools that tend to favor the military-types?

Thank you for your enlightenment, sirs."

Hmm . . . . . Sounds like somebody's trying to discriminate. Furthermore, the ironic thing about some of those schools challenging the Solomon Amendment is that they are discrimating and impeding students from joining the military, despite being so elitist about their "anti-discrimination" policies. Of course, these are also the people who apparantly care about the troops now but couldn't give a damn about them when it's not politically convenient. Just had to get that off my chest before I spend my free time at National Guard drill this weekend.

 

[roboyce]

Nods, but then again some military types are so out-of-touch with civilian reality that it seems alienating and counterproductive... almost gunner-ish, if you will.

Yeah, because the first thing I'm looking to do when I get to my liberal bastion of a medical school is to form my class up and march them around campus, forcing them to memorize G.W. quotes, as we worship at the temple of Mars (donated of course, by Halliburton).

Your generalizations are fabulous! I have yet to have anyone figure out that I was in the military at any of the interviews and I doubt you'd know either. Let me guess, maybe you know one...maybe two people who served in military and you had a bad experience with them? Well, hell, I guess that means we're all autocratic, war-mongering a$$holes!

Civilian reality? Nicely put. Is that where you go around driving your SUV pretending that everything is fine while those crazy military types are off dying in a questionable war started by those "in touch" with the civilian reality? Maybe I need to watch a little more TRL to get myself back in the game.

Nice try with the "I have a problem dealing with authority line." Who are you James Dean? To me that translates into "I don't work well with people." That will certainly serve you well in the future. You're also assuming that people in the military are brain-dead *****s who carry out orders without question. Well, I got news for you stud, the best people in the military are those who DO question their leaders, who look for novel solutions to get seemingly impossible missions done. That's how you stay alive.

I think it's you who's out of touch my friend.

 

[tacrum43]

I have heard that Yale doesn't allow military recruiters on campus, but that might just be for undergrad. Interesting as that's where Bush went.

I don't think there's any school that would see military experience as a negative, unless you got a dishonorable discharge. Why are you so concerned about this anyway? You'll be dealing with the school's authority, not your classmates'. Anyway, I would guess that the more liberal the school, the fewer military scholarship students it would have (in general). Also I would think that if a school has great financial aid, then there will be less students who opt for the military scholarship there.

 

[kimmcauliffe]

I'm confused as to whether or not the OP is talking about recruiters or what. Doesn't sound like it.

As for military members being out of touch with reality, how sad that you think so. As an Air Force vet, I believe my reality is a little more real than most. There's nothing more real than having friends that don't return from the desert, constant deployment, and spending holidays away from loved ones.

There's nothing more real than being asked upon enlistment, 'Would you have a problem dying for someone you don't know?'.

You should be thankful that military members are around you, my friend.

 

[Law2Doc]

Nods, but then again some military types are so out-of-touch with civilian reality that it seems alienating and counterproductive... almost gunner-ish, if you will.

I promise you the majority of gunners in your med school class (when you get there) will not be folks with military experience. From what I can see, the gunners are mostly traditional student types who have yet to work any semblance of balance into their life.

 

[boomuntilnoon]

All I can say is "to each their own"... but keep in mind those very same commendable qualities gained from a military experience can be gained elsewhere, sans the draconian and cookiecutter dog-and-pony shows.

Just as an aside: honestly, I am not sure if I can view a military member as my equal... call me a close-minded liberal elitist or whatever, but I would be much more likely to look up to someone who pursued profound life experiences on one's own, without having to rely on the military (or parents, for that matter) to achieve them.

--a proud member of the entitlement generation

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Hmm . . . . . Sounds like somebody's trying to discriminate. Furthermore, the ironic thing about some of those schools challenging the Solomon Amendment is that they are discrimating and impeding students from joining the military, despite being so elitist about their "anti-discrimination" policies. Of course, these are also the people who apparantly care about the troops now but couldn't give a damn about them when it's not politically convenient. Just had to get that off my chest before I spend my free time at National Guard drill this weekend.

If the military didn't discriminate against homoesexuals than there wouldn't be this problem. It's rather childish of the military to prohibit gays, just as it chilish of the Ivies to prohibit military recruitment.

Its absurd that in this day in age, a government-run organization like the military can ban homosexuals from the ranks. If they were so concerned with romantic relations between soldiers, then women would also be banned from the military. But there's plenty of women in our armed forces.

 

[Law2Doc]

All I can say is "to each their own"... but keep in mind those very same commendable qualities gained from a military experience can be gained elsewhere, sans the draconian and cookiecutter dog-and-pony shows.

Just as an aside: honestly, I am not sure if I can view a military member as my equal... call me a close-minded liberal elitist or whatever, but I would be much more likely to look up to someone who pursued profound life experiences on one's own, without having to rely on the military (or parents, for that matter) to achieve them.

--a proud member of the entitlement generation

From what I'm reading, they are not your equal -- they are your better...

I doubt your posts are serious. But honestly, the vast majority of folks in med school relied on their parents to achieve that goal. The small minority who took the armed service route aren't relying on the military -- in many cases they provided a service for experience and tuition. Much as anyone who works to pay for school. Get real.

 

[kimmcauliffe]

From what I'm reading, they are not your equal -- they are your better...

Law2Doc, you are the reason that I believe humanity and kindness still have a chance.

For the record BoomUntilNoon, the GI Bill helps a little, but I'm mainly coming out of pocket. Without the assistance of my parents. And you invited me to call you a close-minded liberal... I got a couple other names floating around my head for you...

 

[pathognomonic]

To the OP - Over the last five years, I have been to the funerals of seven people (not mindless clones as you would suggest) that I either went to flight school with or served with. They gave their lives (apparently worthless to you) so that you could make these offensive statements. I really hope you are a troll beacause I'm sickened if that is your "civilian reality". 🙁

 

[deuist]

Nods, but then again some military types are so out-of-touch with civilian reality that it seems alienating and counterproductive... almost gunner-ish, if you will.

Huh? Out of touch? All of us military medical students go through civilian medical schools, civilian pimping during the 3rd and 4th years, and we apply to the civilian match. Most of us have no prior experience and then rejoin civilian life after serving our 4 year payback.

Also, what's "alienating and counterproductive" about the military? Yeah, we have requirements for joining (e.g., don't ask, don't tell; certain weight requirements; no disabilities), but our requirements are only slightly more stringent than those found at most medical schools. Just look at the technical requirements that most universities have.

Finally, you mention that you have a problem with authority. Like Law2Doc mentioned, you will always have to take orders as a physician: HMO's dictating your procedures, attendings who pimp you, deans who tell you what to teach. Let's face it, refusing to be a follower is alienating and counterproductive. Further, why do you want to take out your feelings on military medical students? How is our presence going to make your medical school experience so miserable?

Oh, by the way, the gunners are civilians who are out of touch with reality.

 

[tacrum43]

Huh? Out of touch? All of us military medical students go through civilian medical schools

Well...there is USUHS, so not all of them go through a civilian school.

 

[getunconcsious]

Nods, but then again some military types are so out-of-touch with civilian reality that it seems alienating and counterproductive... almost gunner-ish, if you will.

This seems a bit judgmental to me. Our school has a few military peeps (both former military people and people on military scholarships) and they are in large part indistinguishable from the other students...Honestly, I think medical students as a group are really uncool and burdensome so I don't know about picking out certain groups. Some people are cool and most are losers, that goes for all med students pretty much, not just military people.

Med school is so all-consuming that it kind of molds people into the same sort of thing, so that the rest of their traits fade into the background. This may sound strange now but you'll see what I mean when you get there.

 

[opivy]

Hey Kim what did you do in the AF?

 

[ghostchild]

From what I've heard, most students who are paying for med school with a military scholarship have never even served in the military previously. Most just signed a contract saying they would serve when they completed their residency. So even if they're on military scholarship, most are just traditional students.

 

[kimmcauliffe]

Hey Kim what did you do in the AF?

Opivy, I did satellite command and control for four years and then came out here to Vandenberg AFB to teach under AETC for two... so I got to teach new airman all about orbital mechanics, apogee, perigee, the satellite body, ect. It was really fun and I do miss it, but it wasn't what I wanted to do for the rest of my life. But apparently according to Boomuntilnoon, these personal experiences will only make me a bad doctor/ classmate.

 

[kimmcauliffe]

From what I've heard, most students who are paying for med school with a military scholarship have never even served in the military previously. Most just signed a contract saying they would serve when they completed their residency. So even if they're on military scholarship, most are just traditional students.

That's right. They go through school first, then complete basic training and are then shipped off to thier assignment. In rare cases, previous enlisted members are given the chance to become officers and get thier four year degrees. I was offered this chance as a Staff Sergeant- to go to school and they would pay for all 8 years, and then serve 8 when I was finished... but I opted for civilian life.

 

[WholeLottaGame7]

Why is nobody else screaming troll yet?

 

[Law2Doc]

Why is nobody else screaming troll yet?

I doubted the OP's sincerity many posts ago. Seems to have joined SDN too long ago to be the typical troll - that's a long time to run under the radar, and a sad waste of time if so.

 

[opivy]

Opivy, I did satellite command and control for four years and then came out here to Vandenberg AFB to teach under AETC for two... so I got to teach new airman all about orbital mechanics, apogee, perigee, the satellite body, ect. It was really fun and I do miss it, but it wasn't what I wanted to do for the rest of my life. But apparently according to Boomuntilnoon, these personal experiences will only make me a bad doctor/ classmate.

haha yeah the OP is a **** -_- I love it when people talk about and generalize things they have no idea about. Anyways I worked the flightline, I did Electronic Warfare for about six years. I was orginally stationed at Dyess AFB and did TDYs to all of Europe and SWA, then I went to Osan AFB in S.Korea and finally ended up in Kirtland AFB in New Mexico. I still talk to my buddies that are still in and sometimes I really miss it, but like you said I couldn't imagine myself doing it forever. Its really great to hear from someone that was prior AF and doing their premed now.

 

[kimmcauliffe]

Its really great to hear from someone that was prior AF and doing their premed now.

I agree! I went to Kirtland once on a trip to Albuquerque. Nice to 'meet' you, so to speak, and best of luck to you!!

 

[BOHICA-FIGMO]

I have no definitive proof, only circumstantial evidence, but I suspect Vanderbilt looks unfavorably on applicants with prior active duty miltary service. I was accepted to six medical schools listed in U.S. news rankings, yet VANDERBILT was the only school to deny me a secondary appication! I also know of an active duty applicant with combat time in both Iraq and Afghanistan with a 38 on the MCAT (I do not know their undergrad GPA) who was denied admission. I do not know of anyone with prior military experience who was ever accepted to Vanderbilt University medical school. Therefore, I surmise, Vanderbilt is anti-military. If it is ever proven/provable, I suspect their enormous federal funds would be cut, thereby forcing them to "pull their head out" as we like to say in the armed forces.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

I have no definitive proof, only circumstantial evidence, but I suspect Vanderbilt looks unfavorably on applicants with prior active duty miltary service. I was accepted to six medical schools listed in U.S. news rankings, yet VANDERBILT was the only school to deny me a secondary appication! I also know of an active duty applicant with combat time in both Iraq and Afghanistan with a 38 on the MCAT (I do not know their undergrad GPA) who was denied admission. I do not know of anyone with prior military experience who was ever accepted to Vanderbilt University medical school. Therefore, I surmise, Vanderbilt is anti-military. If it is ever proven/provable, I suspect their enormous federal funds would be cut, thereby forcing them to "pull their head out" as we like to say in the armed forces.

I've never heard of anyone in the military getting into Vandy. Then again, everyone I know who applied didn't get in either. I mean they only have so many spots in their class...

 

[roboyce]

I have no definitive proof, only circumstantial evidence, but I suspect Vanderbilt looks unfavorably on applicants with prior active duty miltary service. I was accepted to six medical schools listed in U.S. news rankings, yet VANDERBILT was the only school to deny me a secondary appication! I also know of an active duty applicant with combat time in both Iraq and Afghanistan with a 38 on the MCAT (I do not know their undergrad GPA) who was denied admission. I do not know of anyone with prior military experience who was ever accepted to Vanderbilt University medical school. Therefore, I surmise, Vanderbilt is anti-military. If it is ever proven/provable, I suspect their enormous federal funds would be cut, thereby forcing them to "pull their head out" as we like to say in the armed forces.

Sorry, I ruin your conspiracy theory. I got in. In fact, I can say that I definitely didn't feel anything but welcomed there. When the dean called me to inform me of my acceptance, he made special note of mentioning my service as one of the strengths of my application.

I could say that UPenn doesn't like prior-service applicants because they didn't even give me an interview, but I think that is much more a factor of the competitiveness of the medical school application process than a reflection upon their views of the military.