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For it or against it?
Discuss.
Discuss.
It has been considered by the FDA. Thats how drugs are scheduled and made legal, not legal, legal by prescription etc.I think the FDA should decide and we should let them decide. Since when can politicians and lawmakers decide which drugs are considered for medical use or not? Similarly, pharmaceutical companies should be able to find a way to administer the beneficial chemicals in marijuana without the harmful effects of smoking it... I mean we don't make tea from poppy plants in the hospital when someone has broken their leg, we administer FDA approved opiates made from the poppy plant. The whole legal debate is really ridiculous and I'm leaving my personal opinion of marijuana out of this and just trying to look at it from a legal/professional standpoint, by saying that marijuana should be treated like other drugs... it should be considered for use by the FDA and it should be studied like other drugs, and then a decision should be made... but not by some politician.
It has been considered by the FDA. Thats how drugs are scheduled and made legal, not legal, legal by prescription etc.
http://www.fda.gov/cder/present/DIA2004/Leiderman.ppt
The FDA does studies determines the medical uses compared to probability of recreational or misuse, then they make a recommendation to the DEA of how to schedule the drug.
The problem is that the FDA hasn't tried to reschedule marijuana in a long time and hasn't been able to determine if its worth legalizing by prescription considering the high probability of misuse.
I mean in Cali where they do have prescription marijuana I have never met a person with a canibis club card that actually needs one. Its all idiot college kids who paid a crooked doctor $200 for a card. Then they get tons of REALLY GOOD marijuana products.
Overall, until they find a better way to control it it needs to stay illegal. And when there is enough evidence that marijuana provides assistance in ways that other drugs cannot I'm sure the FDA will reconsider the scheduling of the drug. Until then, here we are.
Oh I agree with you. Its definitely not a perfect system. There are a lot of problems, and I'm not public policist so I don't know how to fix them.Interesting point, but how about the legalization of what is essentially 'speed', aka drugs for ADHD and ADD. Furthermore, what about such narcotics (which was big news in the WSJ this morning) as oxycodone. Oxycodone is a heavily used narcotic that leads to heroin addiction, yet is still circulating through the states.
There seems to be a dichotomy here between legalizing medical marijuana (which has more beneficial benefits than giving kids speed and drug users oxycodone for 'pain') and having current drugs that do more harm to their users.
Volunteer at a cancer treatment clinic for a while and you'll meet lots of folks with cannabis club cards who actually need them. The reason your personally only meet college kids with the cards is probably that you're a college kid yourself.I mean in Cali where they do have prescription marijuana I have never met a person with a canibis club card that actually needs one. Its all idiot college kids who paid a crooked doctor $200 for a card. Then they get tons of REALLY GOOD marijuana products.
For it or against it?
Discuss.
Volunteer at a cancer treatment clinic for a while and you'll meet lots of folks with cannabis club cards who actually need them. The reason your personally only meet college kids with the cards is probably that you're a college kid yourself.
If they do decide to get rid of medicinal marijuana as it exists here in California, I hope they do away with valium and viagra as well. I mean, hey, most of the folks I know on these drugs are perfectly healthy middle age folks...
It would also take away incentives for any itnernational smugglers
I'm relatively certain that most marijuana is domestic. International drug smuggling is usually more valuable drugs such as cocaine.
I'm relatively certain that a very large amount of it comes from Canada and Mexico. Of course there is some that is domestic, but with decriminilized marijuana in B.C. and below the US I bet the majority of it comes from across the border
Hmm...admittedly I don't know. I was mostly talking from personal experience. I know a lot of dealers and never has one ever said its from Mexico or BC. Its usually somewhere regional, but these are small time dealers who are buying relatviely small amounts from small connections, so I suppose its not truly representative.
If anyone does have any numbers they'd be interesting to see.
I think the FDA should decide and we should let them decide. Since when can politicians and lawmakers decide which drugs are considered for medical use or not?
Let's look at the situation we're talking about use here... These are very sick people, typically cancer patients undergoing very cytotoxic chemotherapeutic regimens. I've personally had one such patient tell me that the only thing that helped her nausea was marijuana.
Why should we deny these patients a viable therapy?
(I'll also take this time to point out that Cocaine is still used as a topical anesthetic in eye surgery)
Also, most of the MJ in California is grown here rather than imported. Growers take advantage of the long growing season. They have had drug busts here in which thousands of plants were confiscated and burned. By decrimilzing it perhaps the taxes should go to pay for our public education in California which costs a arm and a ****ing leg. They should also build another med school in our state with that money.
im all for decriminalizing marijuana. jeez, stupid americans don't realize that it isn't THAT bad for you (don't lecture me, i know its bad, but it's made out to be WAAAY worse than it really is)
i'm against decriminalizing it, but for using it in specific situations - aids patients and cancer patients using it for pain management when there's a documented situation where nothing else works, for example.
...what ever happened to Marinol? i heard about it briefly but i dont really know much about it. it hasnt come up in this thread yet, so i'm curious as to what everyone else knows/has heard about it.
Marinol=****. Isolated THC doesn't work, it needs to be combined with all the other cannabinoid molecules found in marijuana for an effect
Then what does a vaporizer do? I thought it purified the THC from the other compounds? Am I mistaken?
I am from Oregon... you guys can figure it out. If alcohol and cigarettes are legal then why the **** can't I smoke a joint.
I agree with UMP too. Lets legalize all drugs... tax the **** out of them and make some money. Then we can get more revenue flowing through rehab clinics, etc. opening up more jobs and lowering crime. Word.
Let's look at the situation we're talking about use here... These are very sick people, typically cancer patients undergoing very cytotoxic chemotherapeutic regimens. I've personally had one such patient tell me that the only thing that helped her nausea was marijuana.
Why should we deny these patients a viable therapy?
(I'll also take this time to point out that Cocaine is still used as a topical anesthetic in eye surgery)
If it has a purpose in medicine that leads to the improvement of patients' lives it should be legalized, period.
Then what does a vaporizer do? I thought it purified the THC from the other compounds? Am I mistaken?
I am from Oregon... you guys can figure it out. If alcohol and cigarettes are legal then why the **** can't I smoke a joint.
I agree with UMP too. Lets legalize all drugs... tax the **** out of them and make some money. Then we can get more revenue flowing through rehab clinics, etc. opening up more jobs and lowering crime. Word.
A vaporizer reduces the number of compounds that are inhaled, it doesn't just vaporize THC. But, a smaller number of CBN's are inhaled and that is why the high is described as more in the head. That proves how all the compounds are needed for full effects to be felt
I agree. People who claim otherwise are in DENIAL!!! I just read an article about NFL Player Ricky Williams, weed caused this man to lose his mind. Hundreds of millions of possible dollars right down the drain, just to smoke weed, they say he teaches yoga now.If I knew a med student was doing any illicit drug, I'd turn them in and have them thrown out. Med schools have zero tolerance policies for illegal drug use. I simply think that drug users are complete losers.
There is no such thing as medical marijuana, only dopeheads who can't live without the next fix.
I agree. People who claim otherwise are in DENIAL!!! I just read an article about NFL Player Ricky Williams, weed caused this man to lose his mind. Hundreds of millions of possible dollars right down the drain, just to smoke weed, they say he teaches yoga now.
OK, if they could make marijuana into a pill or liquid form, I would be for it. But I bet you that all of these Pro Weed people wouldn't want it then because they can't SMOKE IT.Are you serious? Is this thread going to turn into a rendition of Reefer Madness?
Still, this isn't a debate about overall decriminalization, which I support, but about medicinal benefits. I tend to agree with the notion that, while marijuana has been shown to be effective at mediating pain associated with severe illnesses, its exclusive claim to such an effect has not been established. I do think that it is a relevant area of research, however. I recently read an article describing the observed inhibitory effects of THC on tumor formation, which I found very interesting. I'll try to find the link and post it here if anyone's interested.
OK, if they could make marijuana into a pill or liquid form, I would be for it. But I bet you that all of these Pro Weed people wouldn't want it then because they can't SMOKE IT.
That was attempted with the pill Marinol, which someone brought up earlier. However, the problem seems to be maintaining the effects of THC when delivered in this way. I defer to others who know more about the details of Marinol, if anyone would care to explain the specifics.
I'm confused, though, as you seem to directly correlate of smoking with getting high. Are you opposed to marijuana because it is a form of smoking or because it introduces a mildly altered state? To the contrary, I think that if an effective pill form were available, many, many people would embrace it, as it simplifies the whole process immeasurably.
Oh, here's one of the articles I was talking about: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070417193338.htm