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do they exist anymore?
can they have a sustainable practice?
can they have a sustainable practice?
Originally posted by Akamushi
do they exist anymore?
Originally posted by Heathcliff
Learn Spanish. The major concern of Spanish-speaking patients is the language barrier, NOT your gender. Check out this article from The Atlanta Journal and Constitution.
Originally posted by jlinn01
Just to throw in my 2 cents on the original topic, the three teaching hospitals affiliated with the Ob residency program at my school have more women on staff than men. However, the chairs of the departments at all three hospitals are men, for whatever reason. Probably more significant, the busiest ob at each of the three hospitals is a man in each case.
Originally posted by jd807
I hope so, cause I am applying for ob this year and I am a manly man. I have heard that programs are looking to increase the number of males to around 50%, which is actually not the norm for any program i have looked at. I might be stretching it here, but i would say that men have a slight advantage in the match so programs can meet their numbers.
Originally posted by SupportingOccam
I've heard from a senior ob/gyn that the program at Indiana University is aiming for at least 70/30 f/m distribution. Some joke that there's actually an affirmative action plan for the Y chromosome in a lot of programs.
On a related note, one OB/GYN told me that men are more attractive to a group practice as increasing numbers of women are choosing the specialty with an interest in less-than full-time work (for families or other interests). This favorability assumes that the male will more "full-time," able to anchor a practice or at least be often available. Maybe some other practicing OBs could comment.
Originally posted by Heathcliff
I am not sure what Indiana University is thinking. Increasing the number of men will not decrease the number of patients who prefer to have a woman as their doctor.
And I don't think it is possible for either men or women to "pick up slack", at least not when it comes to delivering babies, because insurance companies limit the number of babies you can deliver per year, including any emergency room drop-ins.
Man, this is making me sick! Is the situation better outside of the U.S.?
Personally, I think the percentages are way off target.
Originally posted by leviathan
Just curious...why DO males want to practice in OB/GYN? In my own opinion as a guy, I don't see practicing in this field as being very exciting unless you were doing it for perverted reasons. Not trying to make anyone angry by saying that, because I know nobody would do it for that reason...I'm just lost on what is captivating about it...can any males in or planning to enter OB/GYN let me know why they chose to do so?
Originally posted by Heathcliff
I am not sure what Indiana University is thinking. Increasing the number of men will not decrease the number of patients who prefer to have a woman as their doctor.
And I don't think it is possible for either men or women to "pick up slack", at least not when it comes to delivering babies, because insurance companies limit the number of babies you can deliver per year, including any emergency room drop-ins.
Man, this is making me sick! Is the situation better outside of the U.S.?
Originally posted by leviathan
Just curious...why DO males want to practice in OB/GYN? In my own opinion as a guy, I don't see practicing in this field as being very exciting unless you were doing it for perverted reasons. Not trying to make anyone angry by saying that, because I know nobody would do it for that reason...I'm just lost on what is captivating about it...can any males in or planning to enter OB/GYN let me know why they chose to do so?
ZanMD said:How very chauvanistic of you. As someone pointed out, if you see it all day, you don't want to go home and eat bread. So obviously this requires a certain commitment. No matter how interested in sex I am, I wouldn't want to overkill for perverted reason. How sad that you have that viewpoint.
neilc said:i am interested in it for the following reasons:
1. very rewarding, with relatively healthy patients...start with a healthy mom and wind up with a healthy baby also!
2. lots of procedures
3. lots of primary care
not many other specialties have such a nice blend of office/OR. i do also like gen surg, and i am seriously considering it as well.
i really don't think being a male does (or should have) anything to do with it...in almost any specialty you are going to come into contact with the oppostite sex pretty regularly. i don't see why people make such a big deal out of it. really baffles me.
From a females point of view here. My first OB/GYN was female and I saw her for 4-5 years. I never felt comfortable with her, so I decided to try a male OB/GYN. He has been my doctor now for 6 years and I would never even CONSIDER going back to a female doc. I agree with #'s 2,3,and 4 above. Also, even though the exam is a medical procedure and NOT of a sexual nature, I found it 'strange' and almost 'unnatural' having a woman examine me. I TRULY hope I don't offend any female OB/GYN by saying that, but it's just my personal feelings. I have just found that I feel more comfortable with a male vs. a female, and I can assure you, I know many, many women who feel the same as me. So, in all seriousness guys, don't get discouraged. Keep doing what you're doing, achieve a great bedside manner, and you will never suffer a lack of pts.SupportingOccam said:Just how many women don't want a male OB-GYN? I'm sure someone has studied this... From discussion with others in life on this subject, it seems like at least 20% of women want a male for whatever reason. Reasons that women have told me (I'm a male) include (I'm NOT supporting these views, but they among others are out there):
1) Some women just trust male physicians more than females for ~oldschool/paternalistic reasons
2) Some women think that female physicians are less understanding of complaints than male physicians, or feel that men are less likely to be judgemental regarding the complaint
3) Some women see female physicians as more prone to taking a "honey we all have to deal with it" approach. I've seen this first-hand as a student, especially in OB (not GYN)
4) Some women see men as more aggressive in taking care of pain issues
5) Some percentage of women simply don't care if their doc is male or female
At the same time: A high percentage of women never will want a male OB-GYN under any circumstances. . I know one patient who had to have an all-female pre-op, operative, and post-op staff with zero males...including physicians. I respect her wishes...and would have never guessed she was so concerned having had another interaction with her in different primary care setting. Any woman who falls into this category should disclaim this position when talking about this issue
Again, I don't have numbers, but a 70/30 f/m split doesn't seem unreasonable, but I may be wrong.
drbizzaro said:talking to various girls, i've heard there are quite a few girls who dont want to let a strange male touch their areas because they start feeling aroused.... (these are girls who haven't dated much), and therefore have decided to only go to female gyn..
MacGyver said:I'm calling BS on that. Its incredibly rare for a woman to become "aroused" by an ob/gyn exam. Now, a male having his genitals examined by a female doc on the other hand....
kwakster928 said:i am currently working in the dental field as a side job.
seeing a disgusting mouth is one thing but seeing a disgusting woman private part is just even beyond me. i have great respect for the OB/GYN either male or female. i dont think i can look at it all day for rest of my life. yikes.
Oetzi1286 said:From a females point of view here. My first OB/GYN was female and I saw her for 4-5 years. I never felt comfortable with her, so I decided to try a male OB/GYN. He has been my doctor now for 6 years and I would never even CONSIDER going back to a female doc. I agree with #'s 2,3,and 4 above. Also, even though the exam is a medical procedure and NOT of a sexual nature, I found it 'strange' and almost 'unnatural' having a woman examine me. I TRULY hope I don't offend any female OB/GYN by saying that, but it's just my personal feelings. I have just found that I feel more comfortable with a male vs. a female, and I can assure you, I know many, many women who feel the same as me. So, in all seriousness guys, don't get discouraged. Keep doing what you're doing, achieve a great bedside manner, and you will never suffer a lack of pts.
Oh...forgot to mention. My one and only problem with him is that he won't give me that magical pill that cures PMS. I KNOW he's stashing it somewhere. The jerk.
asherah said:You don't realise that you find it unnatural and strange to be examined by a woman, because this is in fact a sexual oriented examination in which you play a passive role . Unconsciously you find it ok to sexually submit yourself to a man. In your case you find it more natural to be examined by a man, for indeed paternalistic reasons, which you are not aware of on a conscious level. It's not because this is a medical exam that it is not sexual.
Why do you think that when children play 'doctorgames' that it is to feel sexually aroused?
You have adopted all the rational arguments that physicians always use to laugh the feelings of their patients away. Though patients can have heavily strong feelings during a medical exam that can have a deep effect on their subconscious mind for the rest of their lives.
asherah said:You don't realise that you find it unnatural and strange to be examined by a woman, because this is in fact a sexual oriented examination in which you play a passive role . Unconsciously you find it ok to sexually submit yourself to a man. In your case you find it more natural to be examined by a man, for indeed paternalistic reasons, which you are not aware of on a conscious level. It's not because this is a medical exam that it is not sexual.
Why do you think that when children play 'doctorgames' that it is to feel sexually aroused?
You have adopted all the rational arguments that physicians always use to laugh the feelings of their patients away. Though patients can have heavily strong feelings during a medical exam that can have a deep effect on their subconscious mind for the rest of their lives.
OMG. You can't POSSIBLY be serious. Paternalistic reasons of which I'm not aware? Are you trying to insinuate that at some point in my life I was molested by my FATHER? Before you even THINK about going down that road, I would strongly advise you to re-think it. This is a post about men in the OB/GYN profession. DO NOT turn this into an assault on my life, lady. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME OR WHERE I COME FROM. AND DON'T YOU EVER DARE TO PRESUME THAT YOU DO. You would be WELL advised to bring your posts back down a notch.asherah said:You don't realise that you find it unnatural and strange to be examined by a woman, because this is in fact a sexual oriented examination in which you play a passive role . Unconsciously you find it ok to sexually submit yourself to a man. In your case you find it more natural to be examined by a man, for indeed paternalistic reasons, which you are not aware of on a conscious level. It's not because this is a medical exam that it is not sexual.
Why do you think that when children play 'doctorgames' that it is to feel sexually aroused?
You have adopted all the rational arguments that physicians always use to laugh the feelings of their patients away. Though patients can have heavily strong feelings during a medical exam that can have a deep effect on their subconscious mind for the rest of their lives.
drbizzaro said:wow... this thread has turned crazy!
however, i still think women (some of them) will and are turned on by male gyn....during the exams... especially if they've never been touched there before
drbizzaro said:wow... this thread has turned crazy!
however, i still think women (some of them) will and are turned on by male gyn....during the exams... especially if they've never been touched there before
Drakensoul said:RoFL this just gets more and more awesome
Please, asherah, continue to tell Oetzi more about herself. You've never met her, you don't even know her name, but by all means, you have her all figured out, don't you. You don't know anything about her at all, yet you presume that you have pegged down exactly how she thinks, even if she doesn't know. Just can't stand the idea that there might be women who don't give a testicle about GYN exams, can you?
What you're basically doing is defining yourself as a "real" woman, and saying that all women have to hate GYN exams as much as you do. You're saying that there can't possibly be a woman who doesn't feel negatively about them, or she isn't really a woman because she "doesn't have respect for herself," thereby removing her from the group of "women," and further isolating yourself from anyone who might disagree with you. Either that, or you'll say that she really does have a problem with it, but she just doesn't know because it's subconscious... of course you, being telepathic and all, do know, because you can read her subconscious mind.
Let me know how that works out!
Oetzi1286 said:OMG. You can't POSSIBLY be serious. Paternalistic reasons of which I'm not aware? Are you trying to insinuate that at some point in my life I was molested by my FATHER? Before you even THINK about going down that road, I would strongly advise you to re-think it. This is a post about men in the OB/GYN profession. DO NOT turn this into an assault on my life, lady. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME OR WHERE I COME FROM. AND DON'T YOU EVER DARE TO PRESUME THAT YOU DO. You would be WELL advised to bring your posts back down a notch.
As for everything else you said......
asherah said:Your status as a male ob/gyn is in danger and you know it. You wouldn't be spending so much energy otherwise on my postings.
asherah said:Your status as a male ob/gyn is in danger and you know it. You wouldn't be spending so much energy otherwise on my postings.
Wow, I am actually sorry for you Ob/Gyn's that you have to read this kind of stuff. The fact that you can listen to this and not get pulled into a flame war is a real testament to what kind of people you are! I badly want to respond to this kind of stuff and I'm not even an Ob/Gyn!asherah said:You need to redicule those other thinking women, to prevent other women from starting to think critically about these issues as well, because you have all the benefits to prevent women from becoming a strong unit and convince those who still believe your sexistic ideas about women, that this is the norm. Your status as a male ob/gyn is in danger and you know it. You wouldn't be spending so much energy otherwise on my postings.
Well is it any wonder WHY I assumed you were speaking of my father (paternal?)? With opinions as screwed up as yours, it made perfect sense to me that that was what you were insinuating. You know, us women being so "submissive" to men and all. I don't get inflammed just because I don't agree with somebody elses opinions. I get pissed with people like you who have already expressed their views over and over and over and over again, and continue to express them to people when they're no longer welcome. However, your views and opinions, as entitled as you may be to them, are without question some of THE most insulting that I have ever heard. Yet we have continued to try and explain what WE believe only to be told by you that we are "rapists" and "submissive" and "getting off" if, #1: you're a male OB/GYN #2: you're a woman who prefers/allows a male OB/GYN to examine us. You try real hard to dissect me. You tell me what I sub-consciously think and feel. Who the hell do you think you are? Do you know anything at all about me other than my screenname? Do you know anything at all about anybody else on here? No, Asherah, you don't. You have labeled every single male OB/GYN on the face of this earth, a rapist. What do you think of Catholics as a whole? Is EVERY priest a child molester? How about AIDS? Did they ALL get it because they are "dirty little homosexuals" or drug users? Does EVERY person that takes an anti-depressant belong in a straight jacket locked in a padded room? I don't think so. You cannot label an entire group of people. There are bad apples everywhere, in every community, in every profession. No exceptions. But we have never said otherwise. You have refused to discuss anything on this forum in an intelligent manner, and berate us for not agreeing with you. You have been asked time and time again what your experience and education consists of. We may not have "joked" about whatever they may be, but you refuse to back anything that you say up with any sort of credentials. Nobody else on here has kept theirs a secret. After all it's a student-doctor forum. But you have come in here with your views and COMPLETELY taken the topics off of where they should be. And that is education and friendship. So, until you are able to offer EITHER, please, take note... We have heard you. You have heard us. We do not agree on this subject whatsoever, and never will. There are students and doctors on here who would like to come and speak with each other about other, much more important subjects. Please have enough respect for them to do that and go elsewhere.asherah said:Oetzi, you don't even know what the word 'paternalistic' means. It doesn't have anything to do with YOUR father.
paternalistic/paternalism is the attitude of people in authority that subordinates should be controlled in a fatherly way for their own good.
And please, don't feel so attacked when somebody gives her view on certain issues, if you don't accept it, it doesn't mean you have to get inflamed like this.
Try to react in a mature way, before you let your emotions run high, after all this is a discussion board.
Asherah, you don't even know what the word 'rapist' means. It doesn't have anything to do with an OB/GYN.asherah said:Oetzi, you don't even know what the word 'paternalistic' means. It doesn't have anything to do with YOUR father.
paternalistic/paternalism is the attitude of people in authority that subordinates should be controlled in a fatherly way for their own good.
And please, don't feel so attacked when somebody gives her view on certain issues, if you don't accept it, it doesn't mean you have to get inflamed like this.
Try to react in a mature way, before you let your emotions run high, after all this is a discussion board.