Anyone else? I missed a non displaced radial head fracture on an elbow film today. Radiology called with the discordance a couple hours after the patient left. Left a message with the patient. How big of a deal is this?
Anyone else? I missed a non displaced radial head fracture on an elbow film today. Radiology called with the discordance a couple hours after the patient left. Left a message with the patient. How big of a deal is this?
Why? Just sling and send to ortho if there's suspicion of an occult fracture. It's kinda like Ct for Salter-Harris or scaphoid fracture. Just let ortho re x-ray and check for bony callusI CT a lot of elbows for this reason. Well, that and I work in ortho trauma central and I find occult fractures all the time.
Anyone else? I missed a non displaced radial head fracture on an elbow film today. Radiology called with the discordance a couple hours after the patient left. Left a message with the patient. How big of a deal is this?
Why? Just sling and send to ortho if there's suspicion of an occult fracture. It's kinda like Ct for Salter-Harris or scaphoid fracture. Just let ortho re x-ray and check for bony callus
So, you tell them that you can't see it on xray, but something hurts, and they shouldn't ski again. I mean, do they become more compliant after their CT?I work in the mountains in a ski town. Not only do I find occult elbow fractures, but significant wrist, ankle, and knee ones as well (tibial plateau and lateral process of the talus fractures for example). Quite a few of these end up getting surgery either that day or the next. While most don't work in my environment, my patients certainly appreciate the right diagnosis and management with their said injuries. Last thing I want them to do is go back on the slopes with it and make something worse before it gets better.
So, you tell them that you can't see it on xray, but something hurts, and they shouldn't ski again. I mean, do they become more compliant after their CT?
Venge, we all do it. I sent home a PTX my first year out. You call them back. It's not the end of the world. Once, in college, they sent an unstable neck fracture home because nighthawk reads were incredibly slow. Even it came back. Not pithed. I realize people expect zero miss, but that isn't realistic. Nobody has ever died from a radial head fracture.
I work in the mountains in a ski town. Not only do I find occult elbow fractures, but significant wrist, ankle, and knee ones as well (tibial plateau and lateral process of the talus fractures for example). Quite a few of these end up getting surgery either that day or the next. While most don't work in my environment, my patients certainly appreciate the right diagnosis and management with their said injuries. Last thing I want them to do is go back on the slopes with it and make something worse before it gets better.
Which occult elbow fracture needs surgery? I honestly didn't know such a thing existed...
If a PTX is so small that you miss it on your read, why does the patient have to come back for a chest tube? Generally PTX < 10% are observed.
I can now see why you would CT if you have an orthopedist that will take them that day. All the places I've worked, even in places where people are just visiting on vacation, the orthopedist always preferred to see them out patient in a few days. In those cases, broken is broken whether it's occult with fat pads or visible. How broken it is does not generally affect things in the emergency departmentIf xrays were only that perfect. In the winter time I bet that well over half of my ED volume is orthopedic trauma, which equates to 50-60 patients a day with likely fractures. I see negative xrays come back with CT-proven comminuted, intra-articular radial head fractures on a weekly basis. Xrays are notoriously ****ty for elbows. Next time you see some small coranoid process fracture or non-displaced radial head fracture get a CT and see if you find another associated injury. I bet you do! Could you splint them and have them follow up? Sure, but when you have a stellar orthopedics group that is very amendable to pinning these fractures, on the day they occur, why not take advantage of it and provide better care? If the CT is negative that's even better for the patient! I wouldn't be ordering CT's if it wasn't for the fact that I find stuff on a regular basis. Would I do this if I worked at Grady or some other inner city hospital? Unlikely, but I'll tell you this... if I was on the patient end of the equation I would appreciate a timely and accurate diagnosis of these respective injuries. The vast majority of these injured patients are from out of state/country as well, which certainly throws a monkey wrench into getting them timely follow-up and care.
It's not a big deal.Anyone else? I missed a non displaced radial head fracture on an elbow film today. Radiology called with the discordance a couple hours after the patient left. Left a message with the patient. How big of a deal is this?
True. However, good luck with their lame "missed radial head fracture" case, where the patient was already put in a sling, sent to ortho, and called back within 24 hours and told there was a stable fracture that needed, a sling and ortho follow up, with no damages or causation.To be fair: I thought missed MIs and missed fractures were the most common reasons to go to court for an ED doc
If a PTX is so small that you miss it on your read, why does the patient have to come back for a chest tube? Generally PTX < 10% are observed.
I always observed these in the hospital. Maybe things have changed.
So you could take care of your dog?When I had mine back in 1999 they sent me home.
So you could take care of your dog?
Well, that's one way, albeit not the most accepted, to deal with the "tension"!No, so I could drink. Duh.