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What are they for 2008-2009? When I applied back in '04 I believe it was Colorado (OOS) at over $60K. I've heard tuition at Boston, GW, and several of the newer DO schools has become insane as well. By the same token, what are the least expensive? Baylor and MS were both <10K back then.

If you chose a more expensive school over a cheaper one, or vice versa, how do you feel about that decision now?
 

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I've heard Tufts is the most expensive COA between 69 and 78k depending on the year. Cleveland Clinic is free now.
 
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MCG is close to the cheapest.. For in-state students (188/190) the tution is 14,000 (19k after fees and other misc. expenses).

Colorado now averages the OOS tuition to make it closer to 40k/year (instead of ~70, 20, 20, 20 or whatever it was).
 

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I've heard Tufts is the most expensive COA between 69 and 78k depending on the year. Cleveland Clinic is free now.
This isn't the tuition. This is the entire estimated budget. I just checked their website - tuition is $48,386 (without fees and health insurance).
 

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If you chose a more expensive school over a cheaper one, or vice versa, how do you feel about that decision now?
I didn't choose a more expensive school versus a cheaper on. They chose me in the sense that the medical school I ultimately attended was more expensive than three out of the six schools that accepted me. They awarded me a full-ride tuition scholarship and since they were one of my top choices anyway, I was quite happy.


Now that I am an attending and those loan payments are due, the $40K total cost for my medical education at less than 2% interest was just fine. Medical school is a distant memory now and having less expense is just wonderful.
 

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What are they for 2008-2009? When I applied back in '04 I believe it was Colorado (OOS) at over $60K. I've heard tuition at Boston, GW, and several of the newer DO schools has become insane as well. By the same token, what are the least expensive? Baylor and MS were both <10K back then.

If you chose a more expensive school over a cheaper one, or vice versa, how do you feel about that decision now?
State Dept. of Education-funded schools for in-staters are the way to go when considering cheapest (or rather, high value) education.
 

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i chose a public school based on value; i think that most public schools, especially in texas, have a lot to offer at a great price. just my 2 cents.

Example:
University of Texas at Houston
Summary of link: Instate tuition: $6,550.00/yr
Total tuition and fees: $12,127.90/yr
this includes health insurance, student services, etc.
 

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Here's a list of all the public, MD granting schools in the country. The list is tuition+fees and for in-state residents

SCHOOL NAME TUITION & FEES
East Carolina - Brody 10234
Puerto Rico 10780
Texas A & M 11564
LSU Shreveport 12043
UT Houston 12128
UT Southwestern 13515
Texas Tech 13636
Mississippi 13646
UT Galveston 14099
UT San Antonio 14179
LSU New Orleans 14618
North Carolina 14736
Nevada 16305
Georgia 16803
Massachusetts 17450
New Mexico 17763
Florida State 18610
Marshall - Edwards 18708
U Washington 19122
Arkansas 19222
West Virginia 20164
Arizona 20320
Alabama 20463
South Alabama 20790
Oklahoma 21162
Tennessee 21469
Buffalo 21875
Utah 21934
South Dakota 21973
South Florida 22456
SUNY Upstate 22476
SUNY Downstate 22665
Stony Brook 22718
East Tennessee - Quillen 23187
North Dakota 24077
UCLA - Geffen 24173
UC San Diego 24579
Nebraska 24809
Wisconsin 25097
Hawaii - Burns 25181
Kansas 25197
Southern Illinois 25200
UC San Francisco 25202
UC Irvine 25795
Maryland 26421
South Carolina 26566
Louisville 26653
Missouri Columbia 26732
Kentucky 27240
UC Davis 27414
Eastern Virginia 27573
Iowa - Carver 27729
Florida 27917
UMDNJ New Jersey 27934
MU South Carolina 27966
Michigan 28005
Connecticut 28168
MU Ohio 28253
UMDNJ - RW Johnson 28419
Vermont 28470
Missouri Kansas City 28810
Colorado 29060
Cincinnati 29289
Wright State - Boonshoft 29585
Virginia Commonwealth 29725
Ohio State 30283
Illinois 30366
Indiana 30541
Wayne State 30611
Northeastern Ohio 31209
Michigan State 31849
Minnesota Twin Cities 34623
Virginia 34626
Penn State 36194
Oregon 36773
 

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Here is the total (tuition+fees) for in-state residents at private schools (MD)

SCHOOL NAME TUITION & FEES
Baylor 15278
San Juan Bautista 20242
Ponce 22767
Caribe 26720
Mayo 29800
Miami-Miller 32045
Morehouse 32476
Howard 34081
Meharry 35106
MC Wisconsin 35880
Mercer 37976
Loma Linda 39122
Pittsburgh 39486
Mount Sinai 39610
Chicago - Pritzker 40497
Loyola - Stritch 40555
Wake Forest 40888
Vanderbilt 41249
Rochester 41397
Johns Hopkins 41760
Dartmouth 42960
Brown 43022
Harvard 43223
Temple 43232
Emory 43474
Chicago Med - Franklin 43487
Northwestern - Feinberg 44287
Yale 44740
Einstein 44780
Rush 44928
Southern Cal - Keck 45114
Case Western 45286
Creighton 45316
Duke 45549
Washington U St Louis 45550
Stanford 45888
Jefferson 46101
Georgetown 46154
New York Medical 46196
George Washington 46267
St Louis 46571
Drexel 46725
Pennsylvania 46851
Columbia 47092
Albany 47143
Boston 47404
New York University 47476
Cornell - Weill 48418
Tulane 49127
Tufts 51968
 

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Here is the total (tuition+fees) for in-state residents at private schools (MD)

SCHOOL NAME TUITION & FEES
Baylor 15278
San Juan Bautista 20242
Ponce 22767
Caribe 26720
Mayo 29800
Miami-Miller 32045
Morehouse 32476
Howard 34081
Meharry 35106
MC Wisconsin 35880
Mercer 37976
Loma Linda 39122
Pittsburgh 39486
Mount Sinai 39610
Chicago - Pritzker 40497
Loyola - Stritch 40555
Wake Forest 40888
Vanderbilt 41249
Rochester 41397
Johns Hopkins 41760
Dartmouth 42960
Brown 43022
Harvard 43223
Temple 43232
Emory 43474
Chicago Med - Franklin 43487
Northwestern - Feinberg 44287
Yale 44740
Einstein 44780
Rush 44928
Southern Cal - Keck 45114
Case Western 45286
Creighton 45316
Duke 45549
Washington U St Louis 45550
Stanford 45888
Jefferson 46101
Georgetown 46154
New York Medical 46196
George Washington 46267
St Louis 46571
Drexel 46725
Pennsylvania 46851
Columbia 47092
Albany 47143
Boston 47404
New York University 47476
Cornell - Weill 48418
Tulane 49127
Tufts 51968
Are these numbers tuition alone? If so I feel a little better about my schools ~$41k Tuition and admin fees alone...
 

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This isn't the tuition. This is the entire estimated budget. I just checked their website - tuition is $48,386 (without fees and health insurance).
I realize this. I stated in my post that it was COA (cost of attendance). This is the more important number to look at, since it represents what your true cost of going there will be. Even if you look at just tuition, I think Tufts is the highest.
 
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I don't regret going to Texas for a second.

I have a question... I went to a really expensive private school, but they were always building, improving, spoiling us with events, etc. Does this happen at a private med school? Do you see your money up to good use?
 

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I didn't choose a more expensive school versus a cheaper on. They chose me in the sense that the medical school I ultimately attended was more expensive than three out of the six schools that accepted me. They awarded me a full-ride tuition scholarship and since they were one of my top choices anyway, I was quite happy.


Now that I am an attending and those loan payments are due, the $40K total cost for my medical education at less than 2% interest was just fine. Medical school is a distant memory now and having less expense is just wonderful.
Glad to hear that, but 98% of us will not enjoy similar circumstances as you. 100% of us will not get the same interest rate, thats for sure. So cost should probably be more of a factor for those choosing schools now than for new attendings who are just out of residency.
 

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i actually didn't realize that texas public schools were that cheap relative to the national average...also you have to take into account cost of living, which i believe is relatively low in texas as well, just another thing to think about...as far as the question about what kind of improvements and uses of money we see i think it is relatively good, remember in texas that ut-houston, ut-sa, ut-sw, and utmb-galveston are all university of texas system schools so i think they have a relatively large budget, for instance at houston they just did a lot of renovations post-hurricane alison several years ago and added a new research building this year; also md-anderson is a ut affiliated institution...but i guess i am biased since i go to a texas school
 

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i actually didn't realize that texas public schools were that cheap relative to the national average...also you have to take into account cost of living, which i believe is relatively low in texas as well, just another thing to think about...as far as the question about what kind of improvements and uses of money we see i think it is relatively good, remember in texas that ut-houston, ut-sa, ut-sw, and utmb-galveston are all university of texas system schools so i think they have a relatively large budget, for instance at houston they just did a lot of renovations post-hurricane alison several years ago and added a new research building this year; also md-anderson is a ut affiliated institution...but i guess i am biased since i go to a texas school
The budget feels a lot smaller at my school than my private undergrad (and I'm in Texas). Building when you need to is one thing, but rebuilding dorms every 10 years and having 3 or 4 construction projects is another and getting thousands for your new student organization, etc. I just wonder if this spoiling still happens at private medical schools.
 
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The budget feels a lot smaller at my school than my private undergrad (and I'm in Texas). Building when you need to is one thing, but rebuilding dorms every 10 years and having 3 or 4 construction projects is another and getting thousands for your new student organization, etc. I just wonder if this spoiling still happens at private medical schools.

very true, i went to a public undergrad as well so i guess i don't have any other perspective on the issue other than public school...interesting to hear your views...

just some facts i found...no idea how they relate to other schools (and these numbers are not for just the medical school), but just fyi

"The University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston had an operating budget of $725.3 million with $191.7 million in research expenditures...the health science center further enjoyed $100.0 million in endowments in 2008."
 

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The reason that Texas medical schools are so cheap is due to the fact that a lot of the oil money from texas is directed into education.
 

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Interesting numbers. I graduated in 2000 and am now 1 yr into practice. My state school, according to the numbers provided, has more than doubled in cost. Out of state- my first year was about 22k and in-state for final 3 was 12k. Cost is something to consider. I am still paying loans and on 70k or so it is only about 600$ a month (some undergrad to total 70k.) This comes close to what some have to borrow for just a year. In the current and probably future payor climate, huge loans are really going to change your practice choice, location and degree of autonomy. (You may not be able to simply afford "hanging a shingle" but forced into a group or hospital type setting that you don’t desire.) Simply stated, tuition costs may play a role in choices that you make for a work environment in the future.
 

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Simply stated, tuition costs may play a role in choices that you make for a work environment in the future.
Yes. My "work environment" may be out of the country, where creditors cannot follow...

I wish I had a low-cost alternative, but due to some rather draconian residency policies I had no in-state options. I'm just praying for the collapse of our entire financial system at this point.
 

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Out of state- my first year was about 22k and in-state for final 3 was 12k.
Hah! They let you change from OOS to in-state after your first year? My school basically says that whatever your designation is at matriculation is how you graduate. So I'll be graduating as OOS after living here for four goddamn years.

I'm just praying for the collapse of our entire financial system at this point.
That's already pretty much happened. If you're talking about the federal loan programs...if that happened we'd have WAY bigger problems than trying to find out how to pay back $3000/month in loans. We'd most likely be trying to figure out how to adjust all of our diets to better accommodate our new Chinese overlords.
 

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Hah! They let you change from OOS to in-state after your first year? My school basically says that whatever your designation is at matriculation is how you graduate. So I'll be graduating as OOS after living here for four goddamn years.

That's already pretty much happened. If you're talking about the federal loan programs...if that happened we'd have WAY bigger problems than trying to find out how to pay back $3000/month in loans. We'd most likely be trying to figure out how to adjust all of our diets to better accommodate our new Chinese overlords.
If I could eat a real chinese diet I would. I spent 2 months there and lost like 15 pounds. The best part was that it was delicious! Also, if you think the states has it bad right now, you haven't seen what the rest of the world is going through. The euro used to be 1.60 to the dollar, now its 1.20. Chinese manufacturing is down enormously, and countries are buying american bonds at 1 to 2 percent interest. With inflation, that basically means that they are keeping there money safe with no profit at all. Even now, everyone knows that the most stable economy is ours.
 
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