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Most "liberal" med school

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  1. Elysium

    Elysium Not Really An Old Beaver
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    I know, I know, all the political ideology aside.

    I'm wondering what (in your opinion) the most non-traditional med schools are, in terms of student diversity (all ages or races), course selection (like courses in eastern medicine, or "alternative" healthcare, like herbs, etc), or in overall outlook (e.g. progressive).

    It seems like schools like JHU would be more traditional and somewhere like Tufts or Dartmouth might be less so.

    Any opinions?
     
  2. THE instiGATOR

    THE instiGATOR Cow Tipper
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    Yeah, identify the "liberal" med schools so I can avoid them! <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />

    <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
     
  3. Elysium

    Elysium Not Really An Old Beaver
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    I knew you were going to act up! You know what I mean. Us bleeding heart liberals hate to be challenged!

    :D
     
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    LizardKing Veteran Member
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    Berkeley's joint program with UCSF, of course.
     
  7. USeF

    USeF sunny L.A.
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    putting my vote in for Pitt.. very flexible with their curriculum in recent years, and the most ethnically diverse/tolerable place I've seen in my short trips. My student interviewer was a jamiacan girl that chose Pitt because she felt more welcomed as an individual and not as a 'token'. Faculty interviewer was outraged at the recent 'racial profiling' following the attacks.

    I'd think some of the Cali schools too (maybe hippie town Davis). The most open-minded muslim [my dad's best friend] I know is a professor of endocrinology there. The guy sits indian style and makes wisecracks at the dinner table like a 17 yr old!
     
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    matthew0126 Anaheim Angels
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    why equate liberal with openmindness and conservate with closemindness. that's not true and you know it. i can't think of a single school that is not openminded in regards to race, gender, etc, regardless of their liberalness or lack thereof
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by matthew0126:
    <strong>why equate liberal with openmindness and conservate with closemindness. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't think anyone has done that on this thread...
     
  10. matthew0126

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    perhaps i'm being a little hypersensitive here,
    but usef went on and on about how openminded some schools were (pitt and the cali schools) -- which is great. but the question was on what schools are most liberal, thus that's what set me off on equating liberal=openminded

    i'm just being overreactive i know :D
     
  11. Dr. Dad

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    hehe :D

    actually nether one has anything to do with med schools. If you remember your gov't classes:

    Liberal= a government that highly regulates the nation to protect those who cannot protect themselves.

    Conservative= a government that is highly deregulated specifically to allow the freedom of capitalism.

    Thusly, the so called leberal and conservative names have nothing to do with med school. Somehow we have associated them with traditional and non-traditional, but those are just stereotypes. What he should have asked is: What schools are the most non-traditional?
    Now that's hypersensitive!!!
    :D :D
     
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    Emory! They have co-ed bathrooms! There's just something not right about that!
     
  13. oldman

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by barcher:
    <strong>Emory! They have co-ed bathrooms! There's just something not right about that!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">you mean they can shower together? ahh, that would be like going to undergrad again.
     
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    matt, you bring up good points, and you're right, there was miscommunication.

    When I read the thread, I saw "traditional vs. progressive" in the terms cons vs. lib.
    MY INTERPRETATION: Generally, conservative means to 'conserve' tradition. Liberal is to 'liberate the norm' or to be experimental and therefore less resistant to change and the status quo.

    As Don pointed out, we are not speaking of exact defintions here anyway, so there is room for flexibility. So define your terms, and THEN state what schools are which. How do we always turn a discussion into something so technical? :p
     
  15. Diogenes

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    actually, Dr. Dad, liberal and conservative have more meanings than the political distinctions. Conservative also means "tending to oppose change" and liberal also means "not limited to traditional or orthodox attitudes, views, or dogmas." So using liberal to refer to "open-minded" schools it totally legitimate, if the person is not making a political distinction.

    Words can have lots of meanings.
     
  16. quaileggs

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    Also, classical liberalism is VERY different from the modern use of liberalism. "Conservative" is also a loaded term which can mean many different things but always implies a resistance to change some status quo. I'm "conservative" about some things but "liberal" about others. I guess I'm just against cartoonish labeling of people (or institutions) as either/or some ill-defined term.
    The OP did not use the terms liberal or conservative. Others brought those terms in. I believe the OP was trying to distinguish between schools with a "traditional" outlook on teaching medicine versus those which are more progressive. This is an interesting topic.
    It's amazing how people freak out in a Pavlovian way over the term liberal on this board.
     
  17. Elysium

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    Leave it to SDN to analyze the terms!

    I'm sorry I couldn't come up with less emotive conotations, I should have said "traditional" and "non-traditional".

    The List:
    Yale
    UCSF
    Emory
    Pitt

    Any other ideas?
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by quaileggs:
    <strong> "Conservative" is also a loaded term which can mean many different things but always implies a resistance to change some status quo. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">"Conservative" can also refer to forces for which the amount of work done is independent of path
    :D Damn! that was a bad joke. I feel myself being pelted with overripe tomatoes. I shall now crawl back into the changing room for a pep talk from my manager.
     

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