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Discussion in 'Dental' started by priya26, May 23, 2002.
What do you think is the most paying residency?
I'll nominate the spouse of the monarch of Great Britian (presently Prince Phillip).
Yep, the random openings are highly competitive.
To be serious for a second, if your looking into the residency with the largest paycheck associated with it, look to either a GPR or an Oral Surgery residency in an Urban hospital, preferably in the Northeast and you'll be in the mid-to upper 40's. Sounds like alot, but I know that when I figured out what my hourly wage rate would be during my 2nd year of my GPR (salary was just under 38K) it came out to be about $8.50 per hour <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> Remember your not in a residency for the money, your in it for the experience which will let you make more money in the future.
In general, look towards a GPR or an Oral Surgery residency for the largest salary. The other residencies (AEGD's, Endo, Ortho, Pedo, Prosth) very greatly from almost GPR/OS levels all the way down to you have to pay for the program yourself.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by priya26:
<strong>What do you think is the most paying residency?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">.......... umm sorry guys, I meant after the residency........
Well then the spouse of the monarch of Great Britian falls to the way side. Wives of Henry VIII did not find post consort residency to be very profitable.
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dunno much about the royal family, but for dentistry I'm going to guess ortho. If the office is designed properly it can be efficient like an assembly line. Get the assistants to check and adjust the brackets, and just spend a minute or two per patient per visit. Because of the low incidence of pain/blood it won't be too stressful to keep long hours either.
if you're thinking about a certain specialty just because of the money-making potential, you're going in it for the wrong reasons.
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Markymark, Everyone has a right reason for himself/herself. I want to know this from business point of view and might not follow it. No harm in getting some extra knowledge.
Please, everybody in here is too old to be lectured on the fact that people should not go into things for money. There is nothing wrong with asking that question at all. Money is a motivating factor. I'm not saying to go into things just for money, but in the same respect it is foolish to be hired at a job and not ask the income that you are going to make. People in the real world weigh job offers and choices, and then try to integrate them into their life plans. So please, no more lectures.
In answer to your question, it really depends. On average Endodontists make the most money because of such small overhead. Their income is about 500-700k. Orthodontists, who average about 450k, have a greater earning potential though. I personally know an orthodontist who nets (before taxes, but after expenses) 1.2 million. He was just in the right place at the right time though. Then again, I know of a General Dentist who nets (before taxes, but after expenses) about 850k. So, go figure <img border="0" alt="[Wowie]" title="" src="graemlins/wowie.gif" /> . Hope that answers your question.
P.S. Sorry if there are any words spelled incorrectly.
i think your reply could have been more civil than that. it is people who are in dentistry just for the potential of making money that make all of us look bad. did you check out this thread?
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you should... it's people like you who make the public wary of dentists as money-hungry. now please don't ever just jump in and try to lecture me about what not to say.
i'm sorry if i came off a bit harsh. it's just that i see too many people in my class wanting to specialize in a certain field because of the income. i'm sure that i misunderstood the situation in which you asked the question; you probably thought out the pros and cons of the fields and were just asking the about the income to supplement your decisions.
Our management teacher polled my class today on what we thought was the most paying specialty. About 1/3 thought Oral Surgery, a number thought Ortho, and more than half though Endo. He told us that it is Endo, although he didn't really elaborate why except to say that there isn't much blood involved. He did mention that lately, the number of applications to Endo has greatly increased. Our Endo professor tells us each year they get 100 application for 4 spots.
I haven't started on endo yet but so far I've heard it is tiring and strains the eyes, as well as a high failure rate due to accessory canals or underestimating the root length. Do you have any thoughts? I figure it must be more stressful than ortho and prone to malpractice etc.
As long as you know what you are doing, Endo is usually fairly straightforward and has a high success rate.
1 - canal lengths are visualized by working length films.
2 - true, certain teeth are more likely to have accessory canals and one usually spends a good deal of time searching for them before obturating.
In cases of molars, which are notorious for accessory canals, a two appointment procedure can aid in assessing the existence of a missed canal.
(if the pain continues after the root is extirpated, and one wasn't far out the apex, then more than likely a missed canal is the culprit )
3 - i'm not sure what you mean by tiring. If you mean regarding cleaning and shaping the canals (strain on the wrist from reaming / filing) the use of rotary instruments not only greatly reduces that, but also can increase speed and idealize flare of the canal. Otherwise if you are using the right technique repetitive stress injuries can be reduced.
4 - Eye strain? It shouldn't be more than other dental procedures. Some people find that magnification loupes help. But those i know who don't like endo don't complain because of this.
Endodontists are fairly by the book people. Obviously this is an issue where being conservative is the way to go. Follow an algorithm and most of the time everything will be just fine.
Malpractice might be an issue since the most difficult cases are sent to the Endodontist. If it is a question of the restorability of a tooth, that responsibility should lie with the referring dentist.
Informed consent should specify the risks involved, but there are always those cases where one winds up in court, but usually if the jury/judge are logical, then there should be no problem.
The combination of high fees and low overhead are why the endo people are raking it in.
But like an oral surgeon one must beware of the higher incidence of possible after hours emergencies.
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I have yet to do an endo on a real patient; I'll definitely be assigned some in the fall and am looking forward to it. From what I learned in pre-clinic Endo and our Endo lecture class, I agree with everything avalanche wrote. As long as you find all the canals, clean and shape, and seal the apices, the endo problem should resolve. I didn't feel like my eyes were getting strained in pre-clinic Endo and filing wasn't as tiring as it was boring sometimes. The Endo residents who were our TAs in the pre-clinic course seemed to be very knowledgeable and did case presentations for us every week on how they managed challenging cases.
Thanks Griffin and Kawrou.
whats happening with u? any news from NY/BU?
and hows ur part 2 prep coming along?
You seem to be really interested in the money. It seems that all incoming students only see dollar signs. They come in gunning, then after three years they decide that they would rather get married and have kids. Your salary will be determined by a number of factors when you get out: Location of your practice, income of your area, personality, staff, clinical skills, referals and lastly specialty. If you're really proactive you can learn enough to give your patients ortho, endo, surgery, and pros. What I have found in my class is that the people who want to specialize for money are only focused on the grade they will recieve rather than learning procedures. We have people going into Oral Surgery residencies who don't even know how to pull teeth!
Excellent assesment of Endo. I agree with all your points. Anybody know any pros tricks, or composite tricks?
No news yet.Also relocating to Indiana has been so tiring that I have to postpone the exam. How about you.
Thanks for the reply. By the way I am already a dentist and married since 1998( 4yrs)..