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what are your thoughts on these two schools, is Sinai clearly a better school, or is the fact that it is in Manhattan the big draw?
 
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according to US News "rankings":

Einstein = 39th Primary Care/37th Research
Sinai = 57th Primary Care/28th Research


I would think Sinai would be ranked much higher in primary from the excellent clinical experience opportunities presumably available. Whats up with that?
 

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Although I do have my personal biases toward Mount Sinai, both are great schools. With that said, if you simply compare housing, I think Sinai wins based on what you get. Mind you AECOM has a better value for the rent (lower $ per square foot), but in real estate it's location, location, location!

Here's my little AECOM story. I was on the way to my interview. I took the shuttle to one of the other hospitals. After hanging out a while,I started walking at appropriate time to get to my interview site. Then, I hear a noise behind me and to my left. There was some hooting and hollering going on. From a city bus, some youths were making noise, kissing the glass on the bus, and otherwise heckling me as if it were a construction site! Well, I laughed it off, had my interview and was on my way. Oh, and did I mention that I'm a guy and these were females doing this :laugh:
 

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As someone accepted at AECOM but WLed at Sinai, i can honestly say that I have thought about this matchup. Reputationwise, I would have to give the edge to Sinai. I think that their affiliation with NYU has contributed greatly in this area. USNews corroborates this idea of a better reputation through its residency directors' assessment. However as far as clinical experience goes, AECOM is a nobrainer with opportunities at reknown hospitals like Montefiore and Beth Israel. This idea of better clinical opportunities at AECOM is reflected in the USNews giving it the higher primary care ranking. (I don't mean to sound like USNews is the ultimate authority, but it is a great resource) Locationwise, I would take an apartment near central park over Morris Park anyday of the week, although AECOM housing is extremely affordable (approx $300 per month). Lastly, like another poster mentioned, there is the issue of NIH funding in which AECOM clearly receives more than Sinai. As anyone can see by reading this erratic post, it does go back and forth and is a real toss up. I know people who have been accepted at both schools who picked one over the other and they are all very happy where they ended up. That being said, they are both really great medical schools and best of luck to all in the decision making process.
 

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winsicle said:
what are your thoughts on these two schools, is Sinai clearly a better school, or is the fact that it is in Manhattan the big draw?
The second (which probably enables it to attract better students and become a "better" school).
 

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scoops418 said:
This idea of better clinical opportunities at AECOM is reflected in the USNews giving it the higher primary care ranking.
The reasoning here is faulty. If you look at the criteria upon what PC rankings consist of, it is mostly the same criteria as research, but the NIH funding is replaced with % of class entering primary care and therefore really does not reflect clinical opportunities in any way.
 

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YzIa said:
The reasoning here is faulty. If you look at the criteria upon what PC rankings consist of, it is mostly the same criteria as research, but the NIH funding is replaced with % of class entering primary care and therefore really does not reflect clinical opportunities in any way.
fair enough. thanks for clarifying.
 

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I can't believe you guys care about primary care ranking! A huge part of the ranking for primary care is based on % of student who match into primary care. Obviously a gunner school where everyone wants to match into the most difficult residency possible will be dead last in primary care. Thus, the more impressive the matchlist, the worse the primary care ranking is gonna look.
 

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I can't believe you guys care about primary care ranking! A huge part of the ranking for primary care is based on % of student who match into primary care. Obviously a gunner school where everyone wants to match into the most difficult residency possible will be dead last in primary care. Thus, the more impressive the matchlist, the worse the primary care ranking is gonna look.
People like you are why the cost of medical care is becoming unaffordable....If everyone becomes a specialist, then the nation's in trouble.
 

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winsicle said:
what are your thoughts on these two schools, is Sinai clearly a better school, or is the fact that it is in Manhattan the big draw?
manhattan is a huge draw. hence a slightly stronger student body. other than that, no huge differences. let's consider a few things though:

(1) NIH funding. You'd have to be an idiot to say that one school is better than the other because of a $30M difference. How exactly will that affect you?...it won't. If you're interested in research, you can do it at either place.
(2) primary care ranking. Who pays attention to this? From what I've heard, Mt. Sinai is doing less indigent care these days. Which may have some effect. Clinical training (for medical students at least) will be superior at Einstein given the vastly different patient populations.
(3) there is no way an affiliation with NYU has "improved" Sinai's reputation. Historically at least, Mount Sinai has been among the premier hospitals in NYC.
(4) Housing at Einstein is definitely better. At Sinai, you're put in apt's very similar to college-style suites; at Einstein, you're in a real apartment.
(5) Match lists. Sinai has a definite edge; most match into good programs, with competitive subspecialties well-represented. Einstein will of course have some great matches, but also plenty of average matches. This may reflect different interests of two different student bodies though.
 
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(2) primary care ranking. Who pays attention to this? From what I've heard, Mt. Sinai is doing less indigent care these days. Which may have some effect. Clinical training (for medical students at least) will be superior at Einstein given the vastly different patient populations.

What makes you think the patient population at Einstein (in the bronx) is much more diverse than the one at Sinai which is located b/t harlem and an affluent upper east side on top of having people from all over the country/world coming to manhattan/mt. sinai for care?
 

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Both are great schools just think where you want to live and also look at FA packages. Congrats on acceptances.
 

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I agree with the previous poster. Both are wonderful schools, and both schools have opportunities to do what you want: be it focus on cutting-edge research, or becoming really involved and get practical training in providing indigent care/serving the underserved. To the OP: If you can afford it (not sure where you are in terms of location), maybe you should ask the schools for a chance to have a second look. Stay with a student host, and really ask those nitty-gritty questions. Get a feel for living conditions, student body. At this point, I think it's down to where you feel like you belong. Personally, my interview days were a blur to me...one experience melds into another...barely distinguishable, so if I had the means, I would go for a second look at these schools again. Good luc, and congrats.