My 2nd Look Wknd (Einstein)- LOVE THE BRONX! You gotta go back and see...

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  1. yunfat

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    Since I told a couple SDNers I'd post after my visit, here's some of what I saw...

    First off, I gotta address the location. The BRONX is awesome!!! If you're like me, and only saw what they showed you during your interview visit, you gotta go back!!! Basically, as I realized this weekend, the tour only covered like 1/4 of the Einstein campus... Since I drove up this time, I finally got to see Jacoby, Montefiore, Weiler, and the surrounding area BESIDES the Belfer and Forchheimer buildings! I must say I was so impressed with the facilities, and the diverse patient population... (For some reason, the buildings looked a lot nicer than what I remembered them to be from my interview visit...) More importantly, I got to see beyond that one block area. Within 10 minutes was Orchard Beach/City Island... what impressed me most was the beachside basketball courts (I love those!)... I also saw some outdoor sand volleyball courts, ppl canoeing and fishing in a nearby river, and I passed by a driving range on the way there (Bronx Zoo and the Botanical Gardens were also close by, but I didn't stop by to see). It really caught me offguard to see such an amazing place so close to campus! (it was very "un-Bronx-like" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ) I also drove around the area, and checked out various apartment buildings nearby. As others posted before, a nice one bedroom apartment within walking distance (for those who don't want to share an apartment with someone during your first year) will run around 700-800/mo. But I was only looking at the "ritzy" kind... so maybe there are cheaper ones out there... especially if you only want a studio or efficiency (there were also houses which you could rent a floor with a one-bedroom). While I was there, I also saw my friend's (MS-3) studio apartment in the Eastchester Rd. Residence... it was HUGE!!! She sectioned off a study area with a large IKEA desk, and had room for a coffee table, a couple bookshelves, TV stand and a queen-size bed (there was also a kitchen area that was separate)... rent was amazingly only $400/mo. Although she did complain about occasional plumbing problems! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

    Here are some other random facts I learned from my visit:

    - hospital has patient records (including their films, charts, etc.) filed electronically, which saves med students a tremendous amount of time
    - some students choose to do their entire clinical rotation at Beth Israel in Manhattan, and Einstein placed them in subsidized housing in the city! (I am still trying to figure out how that works... cuz I didn't think BE had a diverse enough patient population to do all your rotations... anybody know more about this???)
    - Einstein is building the new Price Translational Research Center (with the $100 million they recently got)... to increase research funding and to get them climbing back up the rankings...
    - If you drive, you can get into the city within 30 minutes or so (yes!!! <img border="0" alt="[Clappy]" title="" src="graemlins/clappy.gif" /> )
    - Although there is a waiting list for studio apartments, most students usually get one by the end of second year or beginning of third. You can also rent your own apartment outside the Einstein housing until you are taken off the waitlist for a studio.
    - Indoor garage parking with security, around $60/mo. (Don't need to be living in the Einstein residences to use this.)

    This is all the important stuff I can think of for now... I'll post more if I think of anything else...

    Basically, after visiting the school again and seeing their incredible 2002 matchlist (I posted the link on another thread), I am so excited about the school... and am actually convinced that I would *enjoy* living in da Bronx!!! It was also reassuring to know that they are concerned with their recent drop in rankings (mainly research funding) and am working to place Einstein at a more competitive standing...

    I guess the bottom line is, if you are still considering Einstein (or was turned off by the "Bronx" factor), GO BACK AND VISIT!!! (Although I must admit, you really do need a car to enjoy the area... otherwise, all you'll see is Morris Park...) As I mentioned in the other thread, Einstein is also the way to go if you are interested in doing your residency in NY (check out the new matchlist on their website!)...

    I was leaning towards Pitt as my first choice before, but now I gotta rethink all this again!!! ARGH!!! (At least I can finally choose between Rochester and Einstein now!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> )

    ok, i'll stop the babbling here...
    hope this was helpful...

    (PS- I also took a couple pictures, which I can try to post if ppl are interested... but they aren't that great, cuz it was pouring like crazy on and off...)
     
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    yunfat you are awesome. Thanks for sharing your experience at Einstein!!
     
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    Yunfat...

    that's awesome !
     
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    I don't go to school at AE, nor do I have any affiliation (got rejected!) ... but I've been to the Bronx ... And believe everything he says!!! He isn't just trying to sell the place.

    It's a great place to be around ... I've got a buddy at AE and a cousin who lives there and they loves it. Just nearby is all the stuff he says, and the patient population (from what I hear) is amazing. And it's close enough to the city to go whenever you have time. Hell, you could just go and study at some cafe in the village and it isn't even a real big deal.

    I don't get why AE isn't a far more coveted place to be. I was dying to get in, and I didn't even get interviewed.

    Hope y'all go there and love it,
     
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    Hey Simul,
    Thanks for such an affirming post. Although I can totally see how someone might leave Einstein after their interview thinking it was not a very exciting place... afterall, if you didn't drive, you are not going to see beyond that 1 mile radius...

    On a side note, this whole application process is definitely interesting... I actually applied to Tulane (cuz I love their Public Health program), and didn't get any love whatsoever... one of my friends who's a fourth year at Hopkins also wanted to go to Tulane but was also rejected (she's interested in medical missions and loved the tropical medicine program)... I guess for every spot you envy, there's someone envying yours! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

    Hope you are enjoying Tulane... I know lots of ppl who wish they were in your shoes!!!
     
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    Yunfat,
    Thanks for posting the information. I am going back in 2 weeks to check out the area and this is getting me excited about going back to check it all out. My interview day was a whirlwind also, from arriving by the Express bus to finishing the tour and catching the Express bus again.
    Thanks again,
    Droopy
     
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    I'll be back in June if anyone is up in NY and wants to meet at Einstein. I have a meeting with one of the FA officers and I'm going to lunch with my interviewer. Thanks Yunfat. BTW, if you're in town next weekend for second look at Pitt, let me know. I'm from the area.
     
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    I recently got accepted to Einstein. The only thing holding me back is the price. How is thier financial aid?
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by missMD:
    <strong>I recently got accepted to Einstein. The only thing holding me back is the price. How is thier financial aid?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Congratulations on your acceptance !
     
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    Thank you. I had a pretty tough interview so I am excited to get in. I missed 2nd look weekend but this post has inspired me to drive up there and take another look around. I think they have another tour on May 10th. Anyone else going?
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by missMD:
    <strong>Thank you. I had a pretty tough interview so I am excited to get in. I missed 2nd look weekend but this post has inspired me to drive up there and take another look around. I think they have another tour on May 10th. Anyone else going?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">missMD, I sent you a PM
     
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    Hey MissMD, congrats!!!!! <img border="0" alt="[Clappy]" title="" src="graemlins/clappy.gif" />

    Just to clarify, I don't think there is a second look weekend at Einstein (at least I haven't heard of one yet)... where did you hear about this May tour?

    I just decided to drive up myself since I really didn't get to see much of the area last time (I, like most people, took the express bus from Manhattan for my interview, and left right after...) All of you should definitely go back again and look beyond those two buildings they show you... their tour really doesn't do the school justice... they need to improve the way they sell the school!!! Lots of people (especially those from the west coast) are really missing out since not all of them can all fly back to visit... it's a shame... cuz even for me, I wasn't really too impressed with the school after my initial visit...

    Oh yeah, try to drive there if you can, or meet up with someone who has a car (if you don't know anybody there, ask the admin office to hook you up with a current student who has a car... most of them are genuinely VERY friendly and would be more than happy to show you around! :) )
     
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    Dr. Kermit and Legi, I sent you both PMs...
    thanks...
     
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    Yunfat-

    I read your message and wrote you back :)

    Talk to you soon-
    DK
     
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    Yunfat,

    thanks for your PM
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RNA Ladder 2003:
    <strong>Bronx, yikes.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Have you ever been to the Bronx? Thanks for the informative post.
     
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    missMD you're right - there is a minority revisit weekend on May10-11th
     
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    Wow...I just found out that the budget for Einstein is over $46,000 this year <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by E'01:
    <strong>Wow...I just found out that the budget for Einstein is over $46,000 this year :(</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">um, didn't you get a scholarship?
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by souljah1:
    <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by E'01:
    <strong>Wow...I just found out that the budget for Einstein is over $46,000 this year :( </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">um, didn't you get a scholarship?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Taking out over $30,000/year in loans plus $20K from undergrad and no parental help is rough.
     
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    Check this out...

    I haven't heard from AECOM yet, but if I am accepted, I have to give them $62,000 US in cash by July 15 or I forfeit my spot.

    But, AECOM is much better than other schools such as Wash U and Hopkins. These schools require &gt;$200,000 US upfront.
     
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    Legi you are an international student I guess?
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by E'01:
    <strong>Legi you are an international student I guess?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes. I am a Canadian. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
     
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    [/QUOTE]Taking out over $30,000/year in loans plus $20K from undergrad and no parental help is rough.[/QB][/QUOTE]

    I feel you on that E'01. My undergrad loans were minimal upon graduating (had grants and scholarships), but my Master's degree is kicking me in the ass. As the application cycle comes to a close, it looks like I'll be heading to AECOM and will be taking around 40k/yr in loans, (also with no parental help). My g/f will most likely be working full time either in the bronx or manhattan as a dietician and finishing up her MS part time. Currently, we are trying to figure out the best way to go about financing my tuition, our loans, rent, etc. If she gets a decent job, she may be able to afford our rent which would be great b/c we wouldn't have so much interest accruing on our loans. We'll most likely consolidate our loans when I am in residency.

    I know exactly how you feel, but will be exceeding you in the loan department. This is my only reservation about Einstein...so damn expensive. Most of the other NYC schools have comparable budgets. It is an expensive process, but you also end up with a job that is soul-fulfilling and an income which is capable of paying those loans off and providing enough means to live comfortably as well. I know I'll have a large amount of loans to pay back, but I'll also have a nice jacuzzi and sauna to sit in and think about all of my loans. Bottom line..For me, it is worth every penny. Of course, getting into a school like UCSF, which is 11k/yr sounds great, but that is up to the ADCOM god/goddess. Gotta go with what you get.

    Are you still trying to decide between Sinai and Einstein? Any other schools that you are considering? I wasn't trying to be condescending in my above post, but I remembered you getting a very nice chunk off of tuition with a merit scholarship. With that, I wish you the best of luck as you make your decision (three weeks from now is the deadline).

    Yunfat, thanks for the excellent post!! I've heard the Bronx botanical gardens is amazing. I'd also like to add that in the summer, you are not too far from some very nice beaches (long island and new jersey). There is lots to do in the NYC area. I was pleased to see that you are so stoked about Einstein now.

    I think we should all get together and grab some Margaritas this summer.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by yunfat:
    <strong>As others posted before, a nice one bedroom apartment within walking distance...will run around 700-800/mo. But I was only looking at the "ritzy" kind... so maybe there are cheaper ones out there...I also saw my friend's (MS-3) studio apartment in the Eastchester Rd. Residence... it was HUGE!!!...rent was amazingly only $400/mo.

    -Indoor garage parking with security, around $60/mo. (Don't need to be living in the Einstein residences to use this.)
    </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Is it really that cheap to live there? Sounds like a downright bargain to me, from what you described.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I was leaning towards Pitt as my first choice before, but now I gotta rethink all this again!!! ARGH!!! (At least I can finally choose between Rochester and Einstein now!!! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So Yunfat - why is Pitt out of the running?
     
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    souljah-

    i'd be with you on the margaritas, but remember, i'm never drinking again!

    -kermie
     
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    kerm, i PMed you back
    -yf
     
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    FERM- yes the Einstein housing is definitely OBSCENELY cheap... and if you live with someone else (you get your own room but have a shared bathroom), it's actually $300 (in a 2br) to $250 (3br) a month!!! <img border="0" alt="[Wowie]" title="" src="graemlins/wowie.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> :) it's amazing to pay that kind of rent, have that large of a room, and still be that close to NYC... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

    COSCI- Rochester is out of the running, but Pitt is still in... although it is slightly behind Einstein right now... (mostly due to location... UPMC is an awesome hospital, but I don't think I want to do my residency in PA... thus, reputation-wise, the two schools don't seem all that different... although I do like Pitt's PBL curriculum and humanistic approach to medicine :p ... move it to NYC or LA, and this thread would read "I LOVE PITTMED!" ...but then again, it wouldn't be pitt anymore :) )
     
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    YF- Pitt isn't too terrible of a town in which to live. I've been here for 20+ years! They have a little movement after May 15th. One of my friends got in the day before graduation. If you want to know anything about the town, let me know.

    BTW, I just called the FA office at AE. They will be mailing out packages either this week or the beginning of May. They are trying to be fair with everyone and allow late FAFSA and CSS submitters to get their acts together! HELLO, get your stuff in so I can see how much I am going into debt. (I shouldn't complain too much, my parents are paying for everything but tuition.) And hopefully, my b/f will be able to help me out the last two years. (I'm writing that in hopes that he reads through this post. He's a lurker.)

    Alright, peace out pups!
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yunfat wrote... reputation-wise, the two schools don't seem all that different </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">YF - My take was that for residencies, Pitt has a better rep nationally, whereas Einstein's strength is primarily in the NYC area. Of course this works out if you know you'll want to be in NYC post-med school. Have you heard differently? Full disclosure: I'm accepted to both as well and have (pretty much) decided on Pitt.
     
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    I'm definetly waiting for my package. After looking at the match list they sent me I noticed a lot of students go to UMDNJ hospitals.
    I'm trying to decide between AECOM and New Jersey Med. What do you guys think about the extra cost of AECOM? Is it worth it to go there over NJMed :confused:
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by missMD:
    <strong>I'm definetly waiting for my package. After looking at the match list they sent me I noticed a lot of students go to UMDNJ hospitals.
    I'm trying to decide between AECOM and New Jersey Med. What do you guys think about the extra cost of AECOM? Is it worth it to go there over NJMed :confused: </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey missMD congrats on the schools! Coincidentally I got into both also but withdrew from NJmed. Just in terms of location, name reputation, research facilities, grading system (I Prefer Einstein's pass/fail!) and overall student body satisfaction (I barely heard anything positive at my NJMS interview)I am more for attending Einstein. What were your impressions of NJMS?
     
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    E'01 and anyone else

    I also prefer AECOM's location, pass/fail system, and reputation. The only thing I don't prefer is the price. I know that NJMed is also a good school if one wants to get a NY residency. Their name is known. And even though I prefer AECOM for the above reasons I am still not sure how much price will factor into my decision.
    Two doctors that I work with said they'd choose NJMed and that Einstein had only a slightly better reputation but, they could be biased since they work for a RWJ associated Hospital.
    Like I said yesterday, I'm gonna take another look next month and make a decision after that.
     
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    does anybody know the link to einstein's 2002 match list?

    thanx
     
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    <a href="http://www.aecom.yu.edu/home/admissions/2002_match_results.htm" target="_blank">Match results</a>
     
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    SOREN, both the 2001 and 2002 matchlists are under "admissions" and "student profile" on the AECOM website...

    COSCI- I was under that impression too... until after I talked with a few ppl (students and docs) and saw both matchlists...

    Pitt: <a href="http://www.health.pitt.edu/pittmed/pittmed/july_2001/match.pdf" target="_blank">www.health.pitt.edu/pittmed/pittmed/july_2001/match.pdf</a>

    Einstein: <a href="http://www.aecom.yu.edu/home/admissions/2002_match_results.htm" target="_blank">www.aecom.yu.edu/home/admissions/2002_match_results.htm</a>

    If you compare these lists, outside of their own respective residency programs (UPMC and Einstein/Beth Israel/etc.), they are actually very similar in terms of specialty and competitiveness... but I gotta stress again that UPMC is an AWESOME hospital... I think that is where they get their reputation from... thus in terms of residency programs, I would say maybe UPMC has the edge, but for med school, I don't think they're that different (especially true if you're thinking of doing your residency in another state like CA or something). It's really going to boil down to USMLE and grades... if you're comparing the schools, i'd consider location, curriculum, learning environment, etc... that's where I see the biggest differences... still, it's not an easy choice...

    oh, and if you're looking at USNews rankings (I was too! :D ), check out:

    McGaughie, WC and Thompson, JA, America's Best medical Schools: A Critique of the U.S. News & World Report Rankings. Acad. Med. 2001;76:985-992

    I'll post the abstract on another thread...
     
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    thanx for the links guys. unfortunately, i'm only on the waitlist. i think einstein is still my top choice, but i'm trying to weigh whether or not i would choose it over SUNY stony brook if i'm lucky enough to get off the waitlist. money matters...
     
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    Hey Souljah - sorry about the attitude. I was a little bit testy that day - just thinking about how I was going to budget for everything got me down. But you know what, this is an investment that is worth every penny and I've worked so hard to finally be where I am today. By the way what are you doing your masters in? Will you have time off before school starts? What is with the pre-matriculation program do you know? Are people invited/required to attend? I sure wouldn't mind doing it since I never took biochem and genetics. Yes, I am still trying to decide between Einstein and Sinai - basically the price difference is around $3,000 a year more at Sinai (I think). I'm hoping that these re-visit weekends will help me make up my mind. So where would you and your girlfriend live - in the Bronx? Have you been checking out places yet?
     
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    Dr. Kermit I just Pmed you
     
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    YF - great points! I think that's what it's coming down to for me - quality of life. The Bronx is ok and NYC is fantastic, but the fact is, it'll be easier to be poor in Pittsburgh than it will in NYC.

    There are of course other factors, and that's what second look weekends are for. I'll see you there next week...

    E'01 - $3,000 a year - in the long run, will it really matter? 4 more months of loan payments should not make the difference here - it's there experience that counts. $60,000 is a different story...
     
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    Cosci- I mentioned this in an older thread (which is now probably on page 55 or something <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ), but I am actually waitlisted at Pitt so I won't be there this weekend. I visited Einstein again cuz I was trying to decide whether to write Pitt a letter of intent or a letter of interest... after my visit though, I'm going to just stick with a letter of interest :p Yeah, I agree with you that Pitt's going to be gentler on the wallet than NYC, but keep in mind that at Einstein you'll most likely want to stay in the Bronx during the weekdays, so you won't have to worry about paying $5 for a big mac. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> (only half joking...you should talk to ppl at NYU! :p ) Anyway, I've been talking to ppl at both schools (i have a friend who's a MS-2 at Pitt, and another who's MS-3 at Einstein), so if you want more comparisons between the two let me know. (Dr. Kermit is also very familiar with the two, and she grew up in Pittsburgh so she would know more about the area.) Last time I was at Pitt, my friend drove me around town, and I also got to sit in a couple classes and PBL sessions... the one I sat in rocked! (although he told me that wasn't always consistent... depends on your facilitator)

    anyway, please do let me know how your visit went when you come back... like I said before, I really think Pitt has a great program, so let me know what I can add to the + column!

    Hey, btw, have you gotten any financial aid packages yet? interested to know how generous they are... (i heard students have been complaining about the debt load in the past, but that the admin IS concerned and is working on it <img border="0" alt="[Clappy]" title="" src="graemlins/clappy.gif" /> )

    thanks!
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by CosciHasher:
    <strong>YF - great points! I think that's what it's coming down to for me - quality of life. The Bronx is ok and NYC is fantastic, but the fact is, it'll be easier to be poor in Pittsburgh than it will in NYC.

    There are of course other factors, and that's what second look weekends are for. I'll see you there next week...

    E'01 - $3,000 a year - in the long run, will it really matter? 4 more months of loan payments should not make the difference here - it's there experience that counts. $60,000 is a different story...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I just re-did my budget for both schools. There's a difference of $20,000 (doesn't take into consideration tuition hike each year) after the 4 years. C'est la vie I guess!
     
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    YF - I spent the weekend in Pittsburgh (w/a Pitt native and Pitt Med grad) before I interviewed and had a great time. It's a REALLY pleasant city - similar to Boston or San Diego (minus the ocean) just a little smaller. Lots of neighborhoods, parks, sports, culture and general things to do. I'm looking forward to the second look.

    I already took my own second-look at Einstein. I found a real nice student body who were, by their own admission, a little cliquey. The classes, as I was told, were nothing really to write home about with the occasional exception here and there. The main benefits were these: great clinicals and great NY residency positions. Another complaint I heard there was that it was difficult to get off anything but the primary care track during third year. Basically no specialties at all which made it difficult to get the exposure needed for an informed selection in fourth year. I've heard this complaint from other schools as well - it's certainly a question I'll be asking at Pitt.

    As for money, I haven't heard from either yet - my parents are a bit on the slow side with their taxes this year.

    I'll join the (almost certain) thread of post-Pitt-second-lookers with more.

    E'01 - which is more expensive - Mt. Sinai or AE? Where's all difference?
     
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    Coschi Hasher - Sinai is 20K more (for the 4 years)
     
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    I'm bumping this up for Naik... since there's no search function
     
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    bang (for NAP)
     
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    I just want them to get back to me ASAP ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
     

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