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I apoligize for those I may offend, but I do not have much sympathy for D.O.s and FMGs who did not match into allopathic G-Surg spots. I, a U.S. MD grad was fortunate enough to match at a good categorical Spot, but know several classmates as well as friends from other schools who were solid applicants, worked hard but did not get spots, and had to scrambble for B*llsh*t prelim and transitional spots and a year of uncertainty. I do not think that individuals who are vested in this process, do not have the option to train in D.O. spots or travel to other countries train and get boarded in the U.S. , should be out of work while others with other options can poach their spots. Then I read postings from people moaning about their chances at future allopathic spots when there were several D.O. spots available and unfilled. Are you kidding me ? 😕 If your going to "D.O it" then go all the way. Surgery is surgery right ? I think the match process stinks as it stands now. There should be a dual match process where U.S M.D. grads can match and scramble with every opportunity to get a job first, and any left overs after that can go to D.O.s and FMGs in a secondary process.

Sorry Just my opinion

 

[docmd2010]

I apoligize for those I may offend, but I do not have much sympathy for D.O.s and FMGs who did not match into allopathic G-Surg spots. I, a U.S. MD grad was fortunate enough to match at a good categorical Spot, but know several classmates as well as friends from other schools who were solid applicants, worked hard but did not get spots, and had to scrambble for B*llsh*t prelim and transitional spots and a year of uncertainty. I do not think that individuals who are vested in this process, do not have the option to train in D.O. spots or travel to other countries train and get boarded in the U.S. , should be out of work while others with other options can poach their spots. Then I read postings from people moaning about their chances at future allopathic spots when there were several D.O. spots available and unfilled. Are you kidding me ? 😕 If your going to "D.O it" then go all the way. Surgery is surgery right ? I think the match process stinks as it stands now. There should be a dual match process where U.S M.D. grads can match and scramble with every opportunity to get a job first, and any left overs after that can go to D.O.s and FMGs in a secondary process.

Sorry Just my opinion

i'm a d.o. student and honestly, i agree with you. it is entirely hypocratic that us md's and fmgs can't compete for d.o. residencies but d.o.s can compete for md spots. hypocratic? obviously. solution to this problem? be the absolute best, so u will match.

 

[San_Juan_Sun]

I apoligize for those I may offend

Apologizing FOR the people you offend is a bit odd, but okay. 😉

but I do not have much sympathy for D.O.s and FMGs who did not match into allopathic G-Surg spots. I, a U.S. MD grad was fortunate enough to match at a good categorical Spot, but know several classmates as well as friends from other schools who were solid applicants, worked hard but did not get spots, and had to scrambble for B*llsh*t prelim and transitional spots and a year of uncertainty.

I'm sorry for your friends, I have no doubt that they were solid applicants. It is unfortunate that the realities of the situation do not allow for everyone to simply match what and where they wish. I also think it unfortunate that they (or maybe just you) prefer to blame "The Others" for stealing their predestined categorical spots. Some might say that they should have worked harder, known more, and had better interviews.

But remember, entitled people take the truth to be hard. Just ask all those French kids rioting this week.

I do not think that individuals who are vested in this process, do not have the option to train in D.O. spots or travel to other countries train and get boarded in the U.S. , should be out of work while others with other options can poach their spots.

Poaching? Again with the entitlement. Do you not think that DOs or FMGs who matched categorical aren't invested in the process?

Then I read postings from people moaning about their chances at future allopathic spots when there were several D.O. spots available and unfilled.

I don't really think that future applicants are eligible to scramble into currently unfilled programs. If I'm wrong, let me know so I can get a leg up on the competition. 🙂

Besides, there are lots of reasons why DO students might be interested in specific programs. I don't think it's unreasonable to inquire about these positions. And I don't think it's a big deal when people marvel about how tough surgery was to match this year. Just look at it as a compliment to the amazing people who matched this year.

If your going to "D.O it" then go all the way. Surgery is surgery right ?

Lucky for me, my O Chem professors didn't feel this way back in undergrad. I'd be in a lab somewhere making Nylon to hang myself right now.

I think the match process stinks as it stands now. There should be a dual match process where U.S M.D. grads can match and scramble with every opportunity to get a job first, and any left overs after that can go to D.O.s and FMGs in a secondary process.

I agree that the match process seems a bit unfair. I would support MDS being able to match into DO programs provided there was equal access and consideration for applicants going both ways. Which probably won't happen.

As for your primary US MD and then secondary match, the only way a DO or FMG matched into categorical positions are if they are better than their US MD counterparts. Why would PDs want to remove great applicants from their prospect pool?

Sorry Just my opinion

Well, we've come full circle. You're now apologizing for yourself. 🙂

I'm sorry for your friends that didn't match. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I just don't agree with your mindset that your friends are entitled to anything. And I don't see much wisdom in blaming FMGs or DOs for their setbacks.

And I willing to give you a mulligan and let you write off that "no sympathy for unmatched DOs anf FMGs" stuff to Sunday Morning Coming Down after St. Paddy's weekend. You're better than this.

 

[ajimd]

Apologizing FOR the people you offend is a bit odd, but okay. 😉


I'm sorry for your friends, I have no doubt that they were solid applicants. It is unfortunate that the realities of the situation do not allow for everyone to simply match what and where they wish. I also think it unfortunate that they (or maybe just you) prefer to blame "The Others" for stealing their predestined categorical spots. Some might say that they should have worked harder, known more, and had better interviews.

But remember, entitled people take the truth to be hard. Just ask all those French kids rioting this week.


Poaching? Again with the entitlement. Do you not think that DOs or FMGs who matched categorical aren't invested in the process?


I don't really think that future applicants are eligible to scramble into currently unfilled programs. If I'm wrong, let me know so I can get a leg up on the competition. 🙂

Besides, there are lots of reasons why DO students might be interested in specific programs. I don't think it's unreasonable to inquire about these positions. And I don't think it's a big deal when people marvel about how tough surgery was to match this year. Just look at it as a compliment to the amazing people who matched this year.


Lucky for me, my O Chem professors didn't feel this way back in undergrad. I'd be in a lab somewhere making Nylon to hang myself right now.



I agree that the match process seems a bit unfair. I would support MDS being able to match into DO programs provided there was equal access and consideration for applicants going both ways. Which probably won't happen.

As for your primary US MD and then secondary match, the only way a DO or FMG matched into categorical positions are if they are better than their US MD counterparts. Why would PDs want to remove great applicants from their prospect pool?



Well, we've come full circle. You're now apologizing for yourself. 🙂

I'm sorry for your friends that didn't match. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I just don't agree with your mindset that your friends are entitled to anything. And I don't see much wisdom in blaming FMGs or DOs for their setbacks.

And I willing to give you a mulligan and let you write off that "no sympathy for unmatched DOs anf FMGs" stuff to Sunday Morning Coming Down after St. Paddy's weekend. You're better than this.

Great Points and Excellent sense of humor!!! I too was recruited by one of the SDN gangs, not for my bowstaff skills, but for my num-chucks skills

 

[Khirurg]

Why are you assuming that your US MD grad buddies are better than D.O. or FMG applicants? There must have been a reason that those DO's and FMGs matched, and your friends didn't.(whatever it is). You automatically assume that US MD are better trained than DO's or FMGs and as the result would make better residents and doctors. And luckily for people like you many program directors think so too. Trust me, i have been through interview trail last year and there haven't been a place where I wasn't asked why did i picked to be a DO. However this assumption is a baseless bias most of the time and i am very happy that more and more people realize that. Most of those DO's that you see at community programs, where they from US allo school, would have been at the top university programs weren't it for their degree, so please don't complain, based on their qualifications.
Those who didn't match, either didn't match because they weren't that good or because every US MD grad wants to go to MGH or Brigham or some big University program, and a lot of smaller or community programs get overlooked. And if they are visited, just because you graduated from US MD school doesn't mean you should be taken automatically, because what else have you got to show for yourself? Have you showed them your presumed superiority or that you can take care of patients better? Because, this is what it comes down to at the end - who can take the best care of patients. And regarding some FMGs, especially foreign trained doctors, some are very qualified and are better residents than many incoming new grads.
As for DO residencies, trust me, you wouldn't want an opportunity to go into vast majority. And those few that are above the rest are comparable to your average community programs.
So, while i am not urging you to feel sorry for FMG's or DO's you shouldn't be pissed at them, just because some matched where your buddies didn't. trust me, there was a reason for that.

 

[docmd2010]

Why are you assuming that your US MD grad buddies are better than D.O. or FMG applicants? There must have been a reason that those DO's and FMGs matched, and your friends didn't.(whatever it is). You automatically assume that US MD are better trained than DO's or FMGs and as the result would make better residents and doctors. And luckily for people like you many program directors think so too. Trust me, i have been through interview trail last year and there haven't been a place where I wasn't asked why did i picked to be a DO. However this assumption is a baseless bias most of the time and i am very happy that more and more people realize that. Most of those DO's that you see at community programs, where they from US allo school, would have been at the top university programs weren't it for their degree, so please don't complain, based on their qualifications.
Those who didn't match, either didn't match because they weren't that good or because every US MD grad wants to go to MGH or Brigham or some big University program, and a lot of smaller or community programs get overlooked. And if they are visited, just because you graduated from US MD school doesn't mean you should be taken automatically, because what else have you got to show for yourself? Have you showed them your presumed superiority or that you can take care of patients better? Because, this is what it comes down to at the end - who can take the best care of patients. And regarding some FMGs, especially foreign trained doctors, some are very qualified and are better residents than many incoming new grads.
As for DO residencies, trust me, you wouldn't want an opportunity to go into vast majority. And those few that are above the rest are comparable to your average community programs.
So, while i am not urging you to feel sorry for FMG's or DO's you shouldn't be pissed at them, just because some matched where your buddies didn't. trust me, there was a reason for that.

excellent post. It's very discouraging (however very true) that d.o. discrimination exists in these big name programs. not that i think that i will match at a place like mgh, but going into med school already knowing that top notch programs are out of my reach irrespective of my grades and scores isn't the most comforting feeling. doesn't seem very "america-the land of opportunity"-like, if you will, to me. i don't know why the bias still exists. okay let's face it. getting into us md school is tougher than osteo school, and many d.o.'s are d.o.'s cuz they couldn't get into md school. but if they work hard in d.o. school and come up (or even surpass) to the abilities and level of allopathic students then why must the discrimination be present. i simply don't get it. if i have an md and a do applicant to my residency program and they have the same scores, i would consider both of them equally. i hope that this discrimination isn't as bad as people on sdn make it out to be...

 

[THE instiGATOR]

I'm one of the MD applicants that didn't match this year. I could have matched if my standards weren't so high (only wanted a strong academic program). In the end, the qualified MD applicants who didn't initially match were snatched up by fantastic programs. In all honesty, I'm probably better off with my scramble than I would have been had I matched into a mediocre program.

Congrats to ALL who matched! You are awesome. Feel free to take a year off, though, if you get too exhausted next year! 😉

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