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I laugh when think about how naive I was coming into medical school. Medical school is one of those things that will change your life forever and noone can know exactly how until they go through it. Many people when they are asked if they would do it again? Answer no! And I believe we may be talking a majority here. Medical school and Residency change you (some say it steals a part of you that you can never get back, personally it riped out my sole and I am working hard to put it back together). If your approaching medicine as a way to be altruistic than forget about it; if your choosing medicine for money, than you are probably righton however good luck enjoying life at the same time.

noone can understand what I am talking about until they experience it, but I am telling you now that this enlightenment is not worth the road to get there. Its right up there with the enlightenment you get from breaking your back and have to get around in a wheel chair; you have a different more complete take on life but you would rather not have gone through the suffering. Here are just a few quotes from the Residency forum that are very true to life.

"So do not misinterpret the "no" reponses as necessarily being regret. I am a finishing up on my third year and am happy that I had it in me to make it this far and I am looking forward to practicing but if I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't."

"Because it isn't worth it. This is something that is impossible to explain to those pre-meds who are super-amped-up about medicine... and a significant portion of those same pre-meds will eventually find themselves right here where I am: realizing that it just isn't worth it. Idealism is difficult to maintain in the climate of the modern medical system. It's a good job with a terrible lifestyle."

"No way, not a chance. But I don't really know what I would choose to do instead either. Drinking beer and watching sports just haven't made it as a career path. Like just about everyone who've posted here have said, medical school is so different in ways that are hard to explain than you could possibly imagine. There is really little resemblance between what I pictured medical school, residency, and practice to be like and the reality. At times you may feel misled. It is in some ways a bit of a trap, the med school thing, and by the time you have a grasp on it, it is too late to easily turn back. I am a little surprised how many positive responses there have been here. I can't decide if these are just better people, more naive, or folks who chose their specialties wiser. For me, the whole experience and how bizarre it really is have proven to be isolating. You simply cannot explain or complain to your friends, family, spouse about the realities of medicine and expect them to really be able to understand. Even when they listen and sympathize and seem to get it, they really don't. Try it and see. Other docs will nod knowingly, but everyone else is left out of the little club.

I can recall a clinical professor telling our class one day late in the M2 year, "You will never be as nice a person as you are right now." It has proven to be true for alot of us. That is one major reason I wouldn't do it over. In some ways, I would rather be the person I was before I went to med school, even if it was founded on ignorance and naivete. I wasn't nearly as cynical, impatient, hateful, and disinterested toward humanity in general. I didn't stay so stressed all the time. The water tasted better. The air was fresher. I wasn't so fat.

I don't see too many practicing docs who unequivocally without pause would say they would do it all over. Most don't REALLY enjoy seeing the majority of their patients; they have to see them to be able to do what it is they do for/to them. The patient happens to be the only place to find coronaries to stent, etc. Just check out the tremendous resentment clinical docs have toward those who managed to avoid the whole seeing-patients-for-a-living bit, particularly rads. Seeing patients is a terrible burden alot of the time. You cannot appreciate how many crazy, stupid, and screwed-up people are out there until you go to med school. People you wouldn't even come across on your worst day in Walmart will suddenly be there in the ER to see you. The personality pathology alone is astonishing. Reasonable, intelligent people are so rare. You truly get a different view of human nature as a doc.

People are much less respectful and appreciative in general than you probably expect. It is a business through and through. Managed care runs everything. Cookbook medicine is rampant. Forget about much intellectual stimulation. The reseach being done is mostly worthless and tainted by drug companies. Evidence-based medicine is a lie and a hoax. Administrators will drive you nuts. You get put in impossible situations all the time. Gomers really don't die, it's true. You'll send granny to a nursing homes and not even think twice about it. You'll be ordering pain meds and benzos for all sorts of losers like a waiter in some cheap restaurant. They'll demand demerol, and send it with phenergan on the side. No, don't try to substitute, look at all those drug allergies.

What was it called? The Hypocritic Oath? Something like that"
 
I suppose anyone naive enough to apply to medical school does have a serious wake-up call coming, but I don't think you speak for a majority of physicians. This sounds a bit like crying over spilt milk, if you're so miserable, why haven't you chosen a different path? Get out now while you still have your life ahead of you - There IS more out there than beer and sports.
 
The more people in the field I talk to, the more I start to think that medicine is not a good idea for me. I'm definitely an idealist (see my posts in this forum for a variety of idealistic rantings) and I operate on some sense of morality that people generally don't seem to have. I think it's kind of sad that I'm apparently not supposed to have this, and I'm living in a fantasy world.

I like my fantasy world, thank you very much; and if everyone around me is going to be a cynical bastard who really doesn't like to help people -- in a profession where all you do is help people, no less -- it's going to be a rough ride...
 
ingamina said:
I suppose anyone naive enough to apply to medical school does have a serious wake-up call coming, but I don't think you speak for a majority of physicians. This sounds a bit like crying over spilt milk, if you're so miserable, why haven't you chosen a different path? Get out now while you still have your life ahead of you - There IS more out there than beer and sports.

It's not what is ahead that I have regrets about. It is about what I have had to go through and the changes it has made in me that are the point. In addition, many students have 150-200k in debt by the time they finish. Try to pay that off with anything else but a physician salary. Give it 4-8 more years and I will be seeing you in the hall giving each other that understanding nod. Until you go through it, you cannot understand.
 
That's all fine, I understand life can suck as a med student - maybe some of these students wouldn't have so much debt if they planned their finances better. But I speak to plenty of people who don't have this notion of doom and gloom - how do you explain them? Are they acting? Perhaps they've been replaced by med-school zombies? It is almost halloween, maybe they're aliens using their faces as masks.. Mwahahah...
I think you do need to lighten up, and chalk some of these things up to lessons of life. But I won't be able to officially give this advice for another 5 years.. 😉
 
_ian said:
I like my fantasy world, thank you very much; and if everyone around me is going to be a cynical bastard who really doesn't like to help people -- in a profession where all you do is help people, no less -- it's going to be a rough ride...

people usually become cynical because, in many cases, you are unable to actually help despite your best efforts. Faced with enough futility even the best people become a little less idealistic
 
_ian said:
I like my fantasy world, thank you very much; and if everyone around me is going to be a cynical bastard who really doesn't like to help people -- in a profession where all you do is help people, no less -- it's going to be a rough ride...

1. You will lose your fantasy world if you persue medicine.
2. Most doctors are not "cynical basterds"
3. Most still want to help people and many do.
4. You will be more cynical than when you started and you will not see people the same way you see them now.
5. Your sole will be put through a blender and stuffed back into you during the 7-9 years of schooling (MS and residency) and you will struggle to keep you sanity.
 
My wife's a third year IM resident and I've heard her say many of those things. In fact, I've heard almost every resident I've met say those things. She loved medical school and has hated residency. She sometimes says she wished she would have been a nurse: finished school at 22 with no debt, punched a clock and did shift work instead of the 80hr weeks, and earned enough income to live a comfortable suburban lifestyle, etc.

I on the other hand am trying to switch from engineering to medicine. On those really bad days my wife looks at me like I am crazy -- why would I want to go through that, too.

My wife has signed with the medical school/teaching hospital to be an attending next year and is looking forward to it. Only time will tell if her attitude changes, but it's true that at this point she wouldn't do it all again.
 
_ian said:
I like my fantasy world, thank you very much; and if everyone around me is going to be a cynical bastard who really doesn't like to help people -- in a profession where all you do is help people, no less -- it's going to be a rough ride...

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ingamina said:
That's all fine, I understand life can suck as a med student - maybe some of these students wouldn't have so much debt if they planned their finances better. But I speak to plenty of people who don't have this notion of doom and gloom - how do you explain them? Are they acting? Perhaps they've been replaced by med-school zombies? It is almost halloween, maybe they're aliens using their faces as masks.. Mwahahah...
I think you do need to lighten up, and chalk some of these things up to lessons of life. But I won't be able to officially give this advice for another 5 years.. 😉

Point taken (although the subtle mocking is not appreciated), I can only speak for myself however I have discussed this with many people and everyone seems to go through this same process to some extent. I'm sure there are some people who can get through unscathed however I don't know any. I like your point of "chalk some of these things up to lessons of life". Perhaps your right, however sometimes ignorance in bliss and lessons are better off not learned.
 
I apologize if I offended you - wasn't meant to. You're right about ignorance is bliss, you have an advantage over me, in that you have gone through it. But I am determined to go through this process, and I can only hope to be unscathed. There is something you can take pride in, I suppose, you have thus far survived. Some people don't make it through ... something to think about.
 
Who cares? You get to cut people!!!
 
ingamina said:
I apologize if I offended you - wasn't meant to. You're right about ignorance is bliss, you have an advantage over me, in that you have gone through it. But I am determined to go through this process, and I can only hope to be unscathed. There is something you can take pride in, I suppose, you have thus far survived. Some people don't make it through ... something to think about.

I think the key is to imagine who you want to be when you finish the process and continually reassess wheather you are meeting those goals.
My goals included:
1. Being there for my family above all else
2. Being a human being first and a doctor second (i dont' want people in my neighborhood thinking of me as DR. soandso instead I just want to be soandso)
3. Staying "real" with my patients
4. Not thinking I'm better than other people

#1 brings me the most guilt of all when Im not living up to it. Yet, another thing that I think all parents who are in the process have to deal with.
 
med99 said:
I laugh when think about how naive I was coming into medical school. Medical school and Residency change you (some say it steals a part of you that you can never get back, personally it riped out my sole and I am working hard to put it back together).

Was your sole leather?? Mine was, and a dog ripped it out.. It's IMPOSSIBLE to put back together.
 
Your list sounds pretty balanced to me, admirable, actually.

You know, maybe medschool did change you, at least bring about a certain level of maturity and appreciation for what is truly important. In fact, maybe it changed you for the better. Guess it depends on how you look at it.
 
I don't know, I'm a 2nd year student and if I was asked to do it again, I'd say yes in an heart beat. Sure, there are some bad days, but I just can't imagine myself studying something else. I know, I'm only a lowly 2nd year who hasn't been on the wards yet, so my opinion means jack, but I just know that I won't hate the wards as much as some of you folks do. Why ? Partly because most of the attendings, residents, 3rd and 4th year students are actually enjoying medicine, and I'm pretty much following their path. When I was in first year, I remember seeing all those laid-back happy 2nd years and I really hoped I'd be like them soon enough. Guess what ? 2nd year is a blast so far ! Believe me or not, my friends in upper classes enjoy their lives just like I enjoy mine, even though medicine requires some sacrifice. Hopefully I'll still be enjoying this stuff in the next years, and no doubt I'll be talking about it. It's nice hearing some good stories from time to time... Some of you guys are way too negative, and weirdly enough, you do not represent the majority of doctors I've met.
 
I have heard this so many times. Ignorance is bliss, naive premeds, blah blah blah. The simple fact is that med school/residency is a substantial challenge. Those idealists who encounter the slightest instability with their enviroment/academics will crumble, or even worse, develop opinions like this. There is nothing wrong with the notion presented by the OP. Its perfectly valid, and probably very true for some people. Some.

I have had a lot of medical influence in my life. My dad is a researcher, but has an MD. He has 9 brothers and sisters, all with their own kids (my cousins). I have 2 cousins in residency right now, one in OBGYN, the other doing his intern year of ortho surgery. I have another cousin currently in his 3rd year of MS, and I have another 2 cousins in the application process right now, waiting to get in.

My 2 cousins that are in residency are in no way different people than they were before med school. In fact, the loved med school. They love what they are doing now. They are both married, planning when the ideal time should be to have children. They are free on weekends to go to football games. I go out to eat with them every now and then. My point is, they seem to be living perfectly normal lifestyles. They must be either handling the stress very well, or masking their dysfunctional lifestyle even better.

My point is, I just dont simply believe that the notion held by the OP applies to every student. Yeah, its true on some levels, and for some people, every single word of that post is true. Depends on the person abd their ability to adapt and function properly.This is something I have seen from simple observation.
 
indo said:
Who cares? You get to cut people!!!

😉 I'm with this guy. Other than that, I go into medicine with no expectations, so I cannot be disappointed.
 
though most of the clinicians i've spent time with aren't quite so negative; the majority of the sentiment expressed by the OP is true. in a lot of ways, it almost gets hard to believe that the healthcare system is as truly messed up as it is... but make no mistake, right now it challanges even the best individuals to stay positive in medicine. you just can't believe how much BS is involved.

i will say that as i've grown to know some docs on a more person level, there's no doubt that they are by and large the most heavily medicated group of people i've ever been around. there's a lot of zoloft and xanax next to those stethoscopes.
 
med99 said:
I laugh when think about how naive I was coming into medical school. Medical school is one of those things that will change your life forever and noone can know exactly how until they go through it.
I think about how much time and effort I spent trying to get into med school and how excited I'd be to get in. And.. well perhaps because I put SO much effort and SO much time and because it's what I have always ever wanted to be (When I was 10 I begged my dad to get me a Merk manual for my birthday - I'm on my 4th one now), I feel cheated by people who come by and say things like this. Like they had it much easier and now are looking a gift horse in the face.

I keep being asked by friends if it feels real to me to be in medical school like some big oh wow I'm a big bad ass medical student now... You know what -- It doesn't. It's just more schooling. Granted I spend more hours studying than I ever did before but this is what I expected. And because I love the topics I enjoy the effort,now. I hated the applying and reapplying and making As in classes I hated to get to med school.

Maybe it's because many med students are so young.. maybe it's because of the personality types that are attracted to go into medicine.. but medical students are really whinny. They are also melodramatic. "medical school will change your life forever" well you know what.. not getting in several times will change your life, getting married, having children, having friends die, etc.. life is about changing your life... forever.... graduating from highschool changes your life... the process of getting old changes your life.. no **** that medical school would change your life.. but probably not as much as you'd think .. and not as much if you dont let it. Do try to keep in mind that we aren't going it to this with out options. All of us could have done other things - teach, reserach, drug reps ... This isn't like some sort of hellish boot camp.

If i could do this all over again and had to put the effort and time into getting in again would I do it? Yes. This is were I want to be going with my life. Granted if I could do this all over I would have done different things in undergrad like majoring in something dead easy and then just spending a load of time studying for MCAT specific things.


Inod said:
Who cares? You get to cut people!!!
This is the best thing said in this thread.
 
ingamina said:
Your list sounds pretty balanced to me, admirable, actually.

You know, maybe medschool did change you, at least bring about a certain level of maturity and appreciation for what is truly important. In fact, maybe it changed you for the better. Guess it depends on how you look at it.

Perhaps, but then again I miss much of the person I used to be and can never get it back! Thankyou for your encouragement however.
 
med99 said:
Perhaps, but then again I miss much of the person I used to be and can never get it back! Thankyou for your encouragement however.

No, I don't think you will ever be the same, but hopefully there are some positives you can take stock on - there are opportunities and friendships, family and patients... every day is for you to make what you will of it.
 
stoic said:
though most of the clinicians i've spent time with aren't quite so negative; the majority of the sentiment expressed by the OP is true.
That is unfortunate. 🙁
I guess I've been very lucky in that the clinicians I work with and know love medicine and are very encouraging
 
Megalofyia said:
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Maybe it's because many med students are so young.. maybe it's because of the personality types that are attracted to go into medicine.. but medical students are really whinny. They are also melodramatic. "medical school will change your life forever" well you know what.. not getting in several times will change your life, getting married, having children, having friends die, etc.. life is about changing your life... forever.... graduating from highschool changes your life... the process of getting old changes your life.. no **** that medical school would change your life.. but probably not as much as you'd think .. and not as much if you dont let it. Do try to keep in mind that we aren't going it to this with out options. All of us could have done other things - teach, reserach, drug reps ... This isn't like some sort of hellish boot camp.
Sounds like you got it all figured out. How far are you into the process? Sounds like your still doing the fun stuff, hours of reading exciting texts.
 
Megalofyia said:
Maybe it's because many med students are so young.. maybe it's because of the personality types that are attracted to go into medicine.. but medical students are really whinny. They are also melodramatic. "medical school will change your life forever" well you know what.. not getting in several times will change your life, getting married, having children, having friends die, etc.. life is about changing your life... forever.... graduating from highschool changes your life... the process of getting old changes your life.. no **** that medical school would change your life.. but probably not as much as you'd think .. and not as much if you dont let it. Do try to keep in mind that we aren't going it to this with out options. All of us could have done other things - teach, reserach, drug reps ... This isn't like some sort of hellish boot camp.

Can I get an "amen"? Testify, brotha. Life happens. I completely agree that reapplying does change your life and your outlook on medical school. You are forced to re-evaluate everything about yourself and your motivations for going into medicine. Also, when you finally get in, you're more certain this is where you need to be, and you treasure it infinitely more because you had to work for it.
 
I dunno about the rest of you, but every profession has a bunch of BS associated with it. I mean we could all go to Law School...but there are more law grads than great jobs so we could end up defending the same people the original post complains about showing up in the ER as a public defender working for next to nothing. There is always business and getting an MBA, which I honestly think might be the easiest way to make good money without stressing yourself out beyond believe, but once again this means sitting in a cubicle working your way up the food chain...which would suck. Then there is research, but anyone who has worked in the cancer, RNAi etc. field surely must realize how cut throat of an enterprise science has become...i mean seriously people make careers out of scooping others research hoping to one day make HHMI. The point is unless you are the top of the top in a profession such as athletics or the arts your gonna have to put up with a bunch of bull****, I think we are all looking at medicine because the bull**** we have to endure balances out with the positives we each stand to take from the profession, we are only naive when we don't realize that those positives come with a cost as the original poster seems to point out.
 
Megalofyia, thanks for putting things back in perspective. If there are more people like you who feel that way at University of Chicago, I REALLY hope I get in!
 
Megalofyia said:
I think about how much time and effort I spent trying to get into med school and how excited I'd be to get in. And.. well perhaps because I put SO much effort and SO much time and because it's what I have always ever wanted to be (When I was 10 I begged my dad to get me a Merk manual for my birthday - I'm on my 4th one now), I feel cheated by people who come by and say things like this. Like they had it much easier and now are looking a gift horse in the face.

I keep being asked by friends if it feels real to me to be in medical school like some big oh wow I'm a big bad ass medical student now... You know what -- It doesn't. It's just more schooling. Granted I spend more hours studying than I ever did before but this is what I expected. And because I love the topics I enjoy the effort,now. I hated the applying and reapplying and making As in classes I hated to get to med school.

Maybe it's because many med students are so young.. maybe it's because of the personality types that are attracted to go into medicine.. but medical students are really whinny. They are also melodramatic. "medical school will change your life forever" well you know what.. not getting in several times will change your life, getting married, having children, having friends die, etc.. life is about changing your life... forever.... graduating from highschool changes your life... the process of getting old changes your life.. no **** that medical school would change your life.. but probably not as much as you'd think .. and not as much if you dont let it. Do try to keep in mind that we aren't going it to this with out options. All of us could have done other things - teach, reserach, drug reps ... This isn't like some sort of hellish boot camp.

If i could do this all over again and had to put the effort and time into getting in again would I do it? Yes. This is were I want to be going with my life. Granted if I could do this all over I would have done different things in undergrad like majoring in something dead easy and then just spending a load of time studying for MCAT specific things.



This is the best thing said in this thread.


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GREAT post. Thanks for the realism (without the melodrama...and the spelling mistakes).

By the way, I LOVE the fact that you were asking for Merck manuals when you were 10!!!!!!!!!!! Badass!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😀
 
It's the bull****, hours and hours of studying, the broken system you have to works with, and most of all the INSANE hours you have to put in for 7-9 years. The hours I believe are what eventually really do it. Not many other professions were you routinely work 30 hour shifts!
 
Exactly snobored.
If I could live with myself, I'd be making tons of money in business. But, as that would be like a living death for me, I'll chose the drawbacks of medicine... a field I originally was determined to avoid because of all the negatives involved.
As for becoming cynical... most intelligent people who can see the great big problems with the world today and life in general are somewhat cynical. But realizing you can't solve the world's problems is the first step to realizing you have to find satisfaction little things. Sometimes I think I'd be much happier if I was ignorant and had no drive, or if I could be satisfied just living in the moment with no thought of the future. These are just fancies, however. If I don't at least give medicine a TRY, I KNOW that I won't ever be satisfied in life. I'd always wonder "What if?". And if I do ever become that unhappy with my choice, THEN I'll withdraw into my own little world and start studing zen philosophy.
 
Med99, not to get personal, but what school are you going to? You keep mentioning that almost everyone you know feels the same way. Maybe it's partly the environment that's making it such a negative experience?
 
IDforMe said:
Exactly snobored.
If I could live with myself, I'd be making tons of money in business. But, as that would be like a living death for me, I'll chose the drawbacks of medicine... a field I originally was determined to avoid because of all the negatives involved.
As for becoming cynical... most intelligent people who can see the great big problems with the world today and life in general are somewhat cynical. But realizing you can't solve the world's problems is the first step to realizing you have to find satisfaction little things. Sometimes I think I'd be much happier if I was ignorant and had no drive, or if I could be satisfied just living in the moment with no thought of the future. These are just fancies, however. If I don't at least give medicine a TRY, I KNOW that I won't ever be satisfied in life. I'd always wonder "What if?". And if I do ever become that unhappy with my choice, THEN I'll withdraw into my own little world and start studing zen philosophy.

AMEN
 
IDforMe said:
Med99, not to get personal, but what school are you going to? You keep mentioning that almost everyone you know feels the same way. Maybe it's partly the environment that's making it such a negative experience?

not going to call out any schools here, but I can can promise you that this is not the cass. the school I go to is very "help the underserved" and attracts very altruistic students.

Most of my observations come from talking to residents and hospitalists as well as med students. Also, some of my slant may come from the fact that I have worked way to much this month. Residents might have 80 hour a week work restrictions but medical students don't! So you should take anything I say will a grain of salt; hell you should take anything anyone has to say on these forums with a grain of salt. Mostly I put up this post so that noone can say "why didn't anybody warn me". You've been served warning.

One thing I must say is that premeds are without a doubt much more idealistic than medical students. Some of the stuff people say here makes me smile because I remember thinking the same thing (not in anyway inferring that idealism is bad or that I am better for not still being idealistic).
 
med99 said:
(not in anyway inferring that idealism is bad or that I am better for not still being idealistic).

But careful to be politically correct, gotta love it!!
 
Well, i wont be politically correct. Anyone who is an idealist is just setting themselves up for failure. Idealism is impossible to achevie.

ingamina said:
But careful to be politically correct, gotta love it!!
 
Point taken; with a grain of salt, no less.
I appreciate the warning for it's honesty. I guess this begs an introspective question on my part, however. If I'm already more cynical than idealistic, but feel that I must attempt to make a difference, to satisfy myself (regardless of how unappreciated or useless it may turn out to be), am I better off for the "realism" rather than the idealism, or am I going to become a totally cynical jerk after med school experiences? I'd like to think the former would be the case, but since I don't have first hand knowledge how Medical School changes people-- and I have no doubt that it does and will-- I'd appreciate your personally biased perception on this. Am I better or worse off for my "lack" of idealism?
 
ingamina said:
But careful to be politically correct, gotta love it!!

IT IS SOMETIMES SO HARD TO EXPRESS TONE IN PRINT! 😉 🙂 🙁 😛 😎 😳 😀 🙄 :scared: 😕 grrrrrrrrrrr, hippidy-hopp hippidy-hop.
 
Isn't realism (non-idealism) another form of idealism? Just a more "down-to-earth" version?

Everyone seeks their own individual direction, and makes decisions based on goals and desires - leading to life choices or avoiding situations... that doesn't change no matter how cynnical (or pessimistic) your vantage point.
 
jackets5 said:
Well, i wont be politically correct. Anyone who is an idealist is just setting themselves up for failure. Idealism is impossible to achevie.

These terms idealism and realism are such 2 dimensional concepts and never do a good job at defining anyone's personalilty. Also, these terms mean different things to different people. In the end, these terms are about as useful as defining one's self as Catlover or Doglover.
 
If you can't (or won't) change your situation, it's best that you change your attitude about the situation. Success is primarily made out of attitude, and secondarily made out of motivation. There is no such thing as luck.

Sounds to me like you've got a choice to make.
I'm guessing that "warning" us pre-meds wasn't your finest hour.
Good luck to you in your decision(s)!

"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else"
- Judy Garland
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not pessimistic, I just try to realize that the "ideal" is different for everyone, and as anything more than a concept doesn't exist. I try to accept a situation, both the good and the bad of it, as is. Granted this is skewed by my perception, but everyone else suffers from a similar handicap. Being human means all the information you process is filtered and never 100% correct. There is always some element of subjectivity here.
 
Asherlauph said:
If you can't (or won't) change your situation, it's best that you change your attitude about the situation. Success is primarily made out of attitude, and secondarily made out of motivation. There is no such thing as luck.

Sounds to me like you've got a choice to make.
I'm guessing that "warning" us pre-meds wasn't your finest hour.
Good luck to you in your decision(s)!

"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else"
- Judy Garland

🙂 wow, thanks for the advice. 2 dimensional idealism at its best!
 
med99 said:
🙂 wow, thanks for the advice. 2 dimensional idealism at its best!

wow--medicine must really suck--let me go withdraw all of my applications--OR NOT. what exactly is the point of this thread again?
 
med99 said:
These terms idealism and realism are such 2 dimensional concepts and never do a good job at defining anyone's personalilty. Also, these terms mean different things to different people. In the end, these terms are about as useful as defining one's self as Catlover or Doglover.

Yep.
 
Nikki2002 said:
wow--medicine must really suck--let me go withdraw all of my applications--OR NOT. what exactly is the point of this thread again?
sing along, now -

~You take the good, you take the bad,
you take them both and there you have
The facts of life, the facts of life.

There’s a time you got to go and show
You’re growin’ now you know about the facts of life,
The facts of life.

When the world never seems to be livin up to your dreams
And suddenly you’re finding out
The facts of life are all about you, you.

It takes a lot to get ‘em right
When you’re learning the facts of life. (learning the facts of life)
Learning the facts of life (learning the facts of life)
Learning the facts of life.
 
ingamina said:
sing along, now -

~You take the good, you take the bad,
you take them both and there you have
The facts of life, the facts of life.

There’s a time you got to go and show
You’re growin’ now you know about the facts of life,
The facts of life.

When the world never seems to be livin up to your dreams
And suddenly you’re finding out
The facts of life are all about you, you.

It takes a lot to get ‘em right
When you’re learning the facts of life. (learning the facts of life)
Learning the facts of life (learning the facts of life)
Learning the facts of life.

now i have an annoying song in my head
 
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