need all the information on pediatric dentistry

[smiledoc]

Hi all of you!

I recently got selected for the pediatric dentistry program. I am into a GPR program riht now and will be switching over to pedo in JUly 2004. I am from India and graduated from GDC Nagpur.

Was wondering how do pediatric dentists do here in the US. I do have some information, but more the better. I Have a few specifics to know , if anyone could be of help.
1- How is the program in general--rewarding or just run of the mill
2- How is the demand for pedodontists.
3- Do they actually have to have their own office or is it still worth while to practise as a consultant and make enough money. By the way, what is the avg. they make in both the situations?
4- What all kind of stuff is required from them to be done.
5- Is it a very popular or not so popular branch of dentistry.
6- How are they hired? This question is also because I wish to know in general--about the hiring process of people who are in the US doing some dental specialty. They are mostly on F1 visas. When they complete their training , how is it that they should look for opportunities for H1 Visa. Are there companies who do it for them , or do the offices directly hire them or what. The specific is about pedodontists.
7- What about the licensure issue after completing this program. How many states would allow to practice--(A) JUst pedo (B)General dentistry (C) Both pedo and GD.

Hope to hear from u guys and gals on this topic--single liners are welcome too.

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[ritudoc04]

Hiii smiledoc,

Congrats on yr acceptance! Please share with all of us..where are u practising GPR---which school or hospital??

Thanks in advance...

 

[toothlord]

Originally posted by smiledoc
Hi all of you!

I recently got selected for the pediatric dentistry program. I am into a GPR program riht now and will be switching over to pedo in JUly 2004. I am from India and graduated from GDC Nagpur.

Was wondering how do pediatric dentists do here in the US. I do have some information, but more the better. I Have a few specifics to know , if anyone could be of help.
1- How is the program in general--rewarding or just run of the mill
2- How is the demand for pedodontists.
3- Do they actually have to have their own office or is it still worth while to practise as a consultant and make enough money. By the way, what is the avg. they make in both the situations?
4- What all kind of stuff is required from them to be done.
5- Is it a very popular or not so popular branch of dentistry.
6- How are they hired? This question is also because I wish to know in general--about the hiring process of people who are in the US doing some dental specialty. They are mostly on F1 visas. When they complete their training , how is it that they should look for opportunities for H1 Visa. Are there companies who do it for them , or do the offices directly hire them or what. The specific is about pedodontists.
7- What about the licensure issue after completing this program. How many states would allow to practice--(A) JUst pedo (B)General dentistry (C) Both pedo and GD.

Hope to hear from u guys and gals on this topic--single liners are welcome too.

can you tell us please about your GPR,what was your status when you applied,about the stipend,how did you get the license to be in the GPR? did they issue you a temporary one? share your experience with us.

 

[Meggs]

Originally posted by smiledoc
7- What about the licensure issue after completing this program. How many states would allow to practice--(A) JUst pedo (B)General dentistry (C) Both pedo and GD.

First, congratulations!

Second, you could find the answer to that question on the first apendix of the ADA document "Dentistry in the US......". It lists the states that allows graduates of ADA approved specialties to get licensed there.

Once you get you license, it is a dental license, regardless of you're specialty. So, you can practice all types of dentistry with it. Now, afterwards you might want to get recognition from the Pediatric Dentistry Board or Association.

 

[krishhhhh]

Hi meggs,
r u sure whether a specialist dentist with out DDS can practice general dentistry. I didnt know about it. Any way can u give me some more idea with a link or ur information . It will be greatful on ur part.

Will be waiting to see u r posting.

All the best

 

[KAJALKIRAN]

Once you get you license, it is a dental license, regardless of you're specialty. So, you can practice all types of dentistry with i

hey! this is in contrast to what i've actually heard from the various boards like Texas, Michigan etc (in documentation) .....i believe there are like 5-6 states where you can practice with a specialty (if one even manages thru the whole process!) and the licence you get specifically RESTRICTS you to practice only that specialty, and there's no way you can practice general dentistry with that licence...for example if you are a prosthodontist , the licence restricts you to practice only this specialty, and lets say you have a case which requires extraction of some grade 3 mobile teeth,before you plan on a rehab, you wouldn't dare to go ahead and do it yourself! furthermore, the malpractice insurance is really high for foreign dentists who have only a specialty licence.....in conjunction to this, i feel 'smiledoc' is in a much better position, as she's setting herself to get a licence for pediatrics, which definitely includes all kinds of work (a le general dentistry kind..) BUT the only restriction she will have, is that she can perform trtmnt only on patients less than 12 years...that will atleast beat the monotonous nature of the work of other specialities.....

 

[Meggs]

Originally posted by KAJALKIRAN
hey! this is in contrast to what i've actually heard from the various boards like Texas, Michigan etc (in documentation)

In writing? They actually handed you papers stating that? Or was it word of mouth? . I guess the best way to find out for sure will be to contact each individual board and try to get a written answer from them (email, etc.)

.....i believe there are like 5-6 states where you can practice with a specialty (if one even manages thru the whole process!)

This is from http://www.ada.org/prof/prac/licensure/us_a.pdf
There's a lot more info there, better read all of it.

"Eighteen states and the District of Columbia require graduates of unaccredited dental schools to obtain some additional training
in dentistry in an ADA Commission on Dental Accreditation (CDA) accredited program.
ALABAMA
ARIZONA
FLORIDA
GEORGIA
ILLINOIS
LOUISIANA 4
MAINE
MICHIGAN
MISSISSIPPI 9
NEW YORK
OHIO
OREGON 2
SOUTH DAKOTA
TEXAS 4
UTAH 3
VERMONT
WASHINGTON
WISCONSIN
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA"

...for example if you are a prosthodontist , the licence restricts you to practice only this specialty, and lets say you have a case which requires extraction of some grade 3 mobile teeth,before you plan on a rehab, you wouldn't dare to go ahead and do it yourself!

I sure didn't know about that. It will be interesting to find out more about it.

furthermore, the malpractice insurance is really high for foreign dentists who have only a specialty licence

That makes sense. But specialists make more money anyway.

Conclusion: don't take for granted anything of what we say here, we may be hallucinating. Do you own homework, that's the safest way.

 

[KAJALKIRAN]

In writing? They actually handed you papers stating that?

yes! i had requested a manual from them some time back and all the info ive put down here is from that..she may still want to examine the manual herself by requesting it...

This is from http://www.ada.org/prof/prac/licensure/us_a.pdf

hmm... that list is pretty outdated and the ADA hasn't botherd to update it, but they specifically ask you to contact each board as you've said...
and the other things ive mentioned, yes thats true, atleast thats what the manual says....
now before some one pops up the qstn of how to get hands to the manual..it can be requested by contacting the specific state board where one intends to practice in.....

 

[KAJALKIRAN]

hey meggs! what did you mean by the term "alucinating" is it spanish? ive never come across such a word...

 

[sck]

Smiledoc,
Congratulations on your acceptance. all u have done on your post is to ask for information. It would have been fair if u shared some information with other people on the forum. u dont want to be amongst those people who are too selfish to share their infos and all they want is to extract infos from other people.
also, with a specialty, u can only practise specialty in the states that allow u to do so, no general dentistry. i wouldnot be worried about that if i were u, because if i applied to some specialty, i would want to be a specialist in that branch rather than being a general dentist. if i wanted to be a general dentist on the other hand, i would choose the means that lead to that path and leave the specialties for people who are GENUINELY interested and not worried about how much the specialist makes etc etc..

 

[explorer2010]

posted by smiledoc,
" am into a GPR program riht now and will be switching over to pedo in JUly 2004"

-- If I would you, I would do one more year of GPR or AEGD before switching to specialty, that way you are more secured as far as license is concerned.
--for all your pedo questions- go ahead with it, even if you are 51 % sure of doing pedo, go for it. It is a great branch.
The best part of pedo, unlike other branches of dentsitry (except OMFS), you can choose to work in hospital setting.

Explorer.

 

[toothlord]

The best part of pedo, unlike other branches of dentsitry (except OMFS), you can choose to work in hospital setting.

Explorer. [/B][/QUOTE]

where did you get that? you mean that you cant practice in a hospital setting if you are an orthodontist?

 

[Meggs]

Originally posted by toothlord
you mean that you cant practice in a hospital setting if you are an orthodontist?

What could an ortho be possibly doing at the hospital, in a regular basis?

As a pediatric dentist, you could work on disabled kids, etc.., which could possibly require a hospital setting.

 

[Meggs]

Originally posted by KAJALKIRAN
hey meggs! what did you mean by the term "alucinating" is it spanish? ive never come across such a word...

Sorry, mispelled. It was suposse to say "hallucinating".

 

[kpat]

Originally posted by sck
if i wanted to be a general dentist on the other hand, i would choose the means that lead to that path and leave the specialties for people who are GENUINELY interested

_________________________________________________

I agree with you. but,.....not everyone seems to get that point..........



Smiledoc,
Congratulations!!!


kpat

 

[toothlord]

orthodontists treat disabled children too,immediate cleft palate treatment for new borne is part of their job for example.

 

[Meggs]

Originally posted by KAJALKIRAN
hmm... that list is pretty outdated and the ADA hasn't botherd to update it, but they specifically ask you to contact each board as you've said...

"?2003 American Dental Association. All rights reserved."
2003 doesn't sound too outdated to me, but I do know that the ADA has a lousy updating team (if such team exists). So let's stick to everyone doing their own homework.....

 

[BOGGU]

Hi Friend,
I am a PEDODONTIST from India, currently in the U.S, preparing for my National Boards.Kindly enlighten me on this GPR programme.How do I get in?Do I have to give my National boards,are they the licencing exam equivalent?Is there a possibility of getting into speciality programme without getting into general dentistry?Kindly enlighten,since I have 7 years of experience after my post graduation in India.Which are the state boards I need to approach and how do I get their addresses?I would be very grateful to you if you could help me on this behalf.
Thanks.

 

[explorer2010]

Originally posted by toothlord
you mean that you cant practice in a hospital setting if you are an orthodontist?
orthodontists treat disabled children too,immediate cleft palate treatment for new borne is part of their job for example.

Orthodontist can work in hospital setting, so is the Prosthodontist or General Dentist.
But it is not usual. General Dentists/ortho/pros/endo, mostly work in Dental 'offices'.
OMFS and Pedodontist mostly work in hospitals. needless to say they can prefer to work in dental 'offices' too.
cleft palate management- it is a team work. Orthodontist can be a part of team, but it's not his full time business.

 

[sck]

Originally posted by nondentist
We have no right to talk about ethics! We all came here to get the license and earn money. Don?t you? None of us are Gandhi ,martin Luther king, if we are, we wouldn?t have been here (we will be in our native countries and serving our own people). [/B]

Relax buddy non-dentist,
Atleast u cannot generalize this.. There are more exceptions than u might think of..

 

[drmouse]

Smiledoc,

How about sharing about your GPR program and what you did you get into one and what are your plans as far as licensure are concerned.You just asked for information and started a thread but seem to have ignored people's request for information.I think it should be give and take and not only take...............

Explorer,

" If I would you, I would do one more year of GPR or AEGD before switching to specialty, that way you are more secured as far as license is concerned"

Could you please explain that further...................

Have a nice day,

Drmouse

 

[explorer2010]

Originally posted by drmouse

Explorer,

" If I would you, I would do one more year of GPR or AEGD before switching to specialty, that way you are more secured as far as license is concerned"

Could you please explain that further...................

Have a nice day,

Drmouse

Licensure requirements for foreign trained dentists, (without IDP) varies from state to state, few considers specialty training for licensure while few considers general dentistry training.
Doing 2 years of general dentistry before specialty may cost one extra year but then states in which you can practice are more.
So are your chances to get better opportunity.

 

[gsmm]

Originally posted by smiledoc
Hi all of you!

I recently got selected for the pediatric dentistry program. I am into a GPR program riht now and will be switching over to pedo in JUly 2004. I am from India and graduated from GDC Nagpur.

Was wondering how do pediatric dentists do here in the US. I do have some information, but more the better. I Have a few specifics to know , if anyone could be of help.
1- How is the program in general--rewarding or just run of the mill
2- How is the demand for pedodontists.
3- Do they actually have to have their own office or is it still worth while to practise as a consultant and make enough money. By the way, what is the avg. they make in both the situations?
4- What all kind of stuff is required from them to be done.
5- Is it a very popular or not so popular branch of dentistry.
6- How are they hired? This question is also because I wish to know in general--about the hiring process of people who are in the US doing some dental specialty. They are mostly on F1 visas. When they complete their training , how is it that they should look for opportunities for H1 Visa. Are there companies who do it for them , or do the offices directly hire them or what. The specific is about pedodontists.
7- What about the licensure issue after completing this program. How many states would allow to practice--(A) JUst pedo (B)General dentistry (C) Both pedo and GD.

Hope to hear from u guys and gals on this topic--single liners are welcome too.

hey guys , the original poster of this thread never appeared again...he never answered anyone.
i was planning to ask if the foreign dentists are allowed into gpr!!
i found in USC website that they are not allowed..
or may be it varies from school to another

btw..thanks meggs for your help

 

[drmouse]

gsmm,you are right,the original poster just disappeared and the poster is a she.She just wants us to give her information and doesn't want to share any of hers.

Anyway,I don't know where you got that foreign trained are not allowed in any GPR programs.I know the rules vary from hospital to hospital.It will be best if you checked with programs you are interested in and not just believe what somebody tells.Because like we all know smiledoc,the original poster is from a foreign country and did get into a GPR.

Good luck with your search...................

 

[sck]

Originally posted by drmouse
gsmm,you are right,the original poster just disappeared and the poster is a she.She just wants us to give her information and doesn't want to share any of hers.

Hi,
Actually i checked his profile, and its a male. he is doing his GPR in Kansas city. And yes, he surely disappeared!!

 

[Meggs]

Originally posted by drmouse
gsmm,you are right,the original poster just disappeared and the poster is a she. She just wants us to give her information and doesn't want to share any of hers.

The same thing happened in some other thread, some newbie asked something, before answering the question I asked him/her to share their story, an the poster just disapeared! So I didn't answer.

 

[pinktooth]

Hi Meggs,
Since the past few days whenever I log in I see numerous people logged it too.Names which I have never seen on posts.And when I click on their profiles they have posted zilch posts
Thats pretty sad and depressing that people could atleast post some info on their present status.it might help someone
But anyway I am not the one who makes the rules..
take care folks

 

[Meggs]

Originally posted by pinktooth
....Since the past few days whenever I log in I see numerous people logged it too.Names which I have never seen on posts.And when I click on their profiles they have posted zilch posts .....B]

Well, they're not necesarly being selfish.

I happen to notice the same as you, but if you look at their registered date they usually have been registered only for a couple days. I know they're probably been lurking for a while, but still....

But anyways, I myself when first found this site, took me a long time to post for the first time, 'cause I was busy reading all the previous threads (back then this forum was rather new). Sam3, told the same story, he was shy about posting, 'cause he thought he wasn't welcome. I'm sure there are many of us current active members, who went trough the same thing.

So the fact that some new members don't post is not an issue, on the opposite, is a good thing because it means they are taking the time to learn how things work around here before posting.

What bothers me, is when a member (don't necessarily new) only post questions and don't ever help some other members by sharing some advice, either based on the their own experience or based on whatever information they know about. Not only help, but confirmations, congratulations, posting their experience, introducing themselves when they come in (like Elto, Second Edition, etc), etc. There are many ways of not being selfish.

Even if we think we know nothing to be able to help the rest, I'm sure there's always something we have heard about that someone else hasn't. That's what forums and messagge boards are for, to share views, knowledge and experience.

 

[smiledoc]

I'm sorry guys,
Ya I know I posted the link and just did not write about whats going on and what u guys wanted to know. I got really busy with my GPR as one of the rsidents left the program and I am on call all days and nights. Sorry again.,
Read about all the views

Firstly--About GPR--Genereal practise residency is basically hospital based dentistry --IV sedations, Or cases, Geriatric patients, Lots of disabled patients---all apart from general dentistry stuff. There are a lot of prgrams in the US, but again the requirement of being a US person........ What I have noticed from my experience is that the people who apply to some programs thro PASS and Match some programs actually get eligible to apply for post Match---which is beneficial in the way that they can either fax the copies of their pass application to the programs or ask the PASS to send the copies to them---whichever way the program asks them to. Now Post match time is real critical time. The programs are in need of residents and I guess many seats at the end of it all go vacant and the hospital revenue actually suffers because of a lack of working hands. It must be sounding very unusual, but whatever the program spends on the reisdents or pays them( although its almost impossible for a foreign trained dentist to extract a stipend out of any program), such residents make about 10000$ a month for these hospitals/ clinics which I think is handy money. No doubt they are treated as students but at the same time the patients are not getting any treatment for free. The reason for all this discussion is that---if the norms for temporary licence or restricted license or whatever by the state board u wanna call it are realxed or if the hospital or the program is affiliated to the university or dental school etc.. then it is possible for the authorities to find a way around coz they do not want the seat to go vacant. One of the reasons they don't want this to happen is the accreditation issue of the program---the programs do not want to loose their accreditation---and if seats go vacant then they won't have that many students and the quality of the program will suffer (eg--no specialist like ortho, or perio, or pedo will come over to take a class for just 2 students). I hope I am making sense.
So the point of the matter is that apply to some programs you are some sure of thro Pass and match them even if you do not have an interview call----then go ahead for a post match--plunge yourself into it---call each and every program and trade with them---offer good things like u don't want a stipend---(this would the last thing to trade).
All this off course would be wothwhile after u have done well in your NBDE I and II--assume part I score should be over 90 for healthy consideration. Same logic stands for AEGD programs. Rest all the specialties are very competitive and its almost impossible , I have found to get into them --without any kind of training in the US. This AEGD or GPR form the base ---and its a lot of learning experience---dentistry practised for example in INdia is altogether different from here. There skepticism makes sense. ANY KIND OF TRAINING FROM ANYWHERE DOES NOT APPEAL TO THEM. THIS IS A PRACTICAL FACT AND THEY DO NOT RECOGNIZE ANYTHING BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE YOU IN THE CLINIC AND WORK WITH THEM. So have good scores and shoot.
I got a call --have to go ---sorry guys---but I will keep you guys posted ---carry on --have any questions for me shoot them here---and I will try to answer as best as I can.
Take care and thanks for all the congratulations---and guys---I am not selfish its just that I am working too hard--sorry again.

 

[sck]

Hi Smiledoc,
This was really really useful. Thanks a lot for this info. And do tell us about your Pedo experience and tips once u have time..

 

[KAJALKIRAN]

and guys---I am not selfish its just that I am working too hard--sorry again.

lesson to all the forum members:
DONT BE HASTY AND MAKE CONCLUSIONS ABOUT ANYONE!
even if someone does not want to share their personal info or "success stories" in public, i think one should learn to respect their privacy; just cuz some one asks for some kind of info out here doesn't mean that they are indebted for the rest of their lives to share everything! also this is just a free forum and no one is compelled to answer back any queries!
i really appreciate smiledoc's expounding reply to all the qstns inspite of so many accusations on him/her; i really dont think anyone would have done that, after all these accusations....
again, am not being a gandhi out here, but just highlighting a useful point of view, which i think is necessary for this situation!

 

[gsmm]

Originally posted by KAJALKIRAN
lesson to all the forum members:
DONT BE HASTY AND MAKE CONCLUSIONS ABOUT ANYONE!
even if someone does not want to share their personal info or "success stories" in public, i think one should learn to respect their privacy; just cuz some one asks for some kind of info out here doesn't mean that they are indebted for the rest of their lives to share everything! also this is just a free forum and no one is compelled to answer back any queries!
i really appreciate smiledoc's expounding reply to all the qstns inspite of so many accusations on him/her; i really dont think anyone would have done that, after all these accusations....
again, am not being a gandhi out here, but just highlighting a useful point of view, which i think is necessary for this situation!

you are completely right..i was looking for this intelligent dentist, to tell me where to apply and here he is almost helped all of us..thanks smile-doc

 

[drmouse]

Thanks smile doc.That was very helpful.

 

[gryffindor]

Hey Everyone:

Like smiledoc said, there are many hospitals with spots open after the match. After match day, if there is an opening, you do not have to be registered with PASS or Match to try and obtain one of the spots. Call the program and they will tell you what information they want. It helps if you register with PASS first because then you will have all your letters and essays and scores ready.

I don't know what their policies are on taking foreign trained dentists, but listed below are many of the hospitals in the New York City area that had multiple spots open after match day (Jan. 26, 2004). These are all GPR programs. If anyone is interested in AEGDs, let me know and I'll post it here. They may or may not still be open (I'm sure some of them still are) but if anyone wants to give it a shot, go for it. There were spots open in other parts of the country too, but NYC had the most open spots.

BRONX LEBANON HOSPITAL CENTER
DEPARTMENT OF DENTISTRY
1650 SELWYN AVENUE
SUITE 10-B
BRONX NY 10457
Telephone: (718) 960-2018
Director: DR. PAUL E GATES
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8045 Openings: 4

LINCOLN MED & MENTAL HEALTH CTR
DEPT. OF DENTISTRY
#234 149TH STREET
BRONX NY 10451
Telephone: (718) 579-5691
Director: DR. PETER GERSHENSON
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 9895 Openings: 5

MONTEFIORE MEDICAL CENTER
DEPARTMENT OF DENTISTRY
111 EAST 210 STREET
BRONX NY 10467
Telephone: (718) 519-3303
Director: DR. NADINE NEWSOME
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 9785 Openings: 11

ST BARNABAS HOSPITAL
DEPT OF DENTISTRY
183 STREET AND 3RD AVENUE
BRONX NY 10457
Telephone: (718) 960-6498
Director: DARA ROSENBERG
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 9835 Openings: 16

BROOKDALE HOSPITAL MEDICAL CTR
DEPT OF DENTAL & ORAL SURGERY
ONE BROOKDALE PLAZA
BROOKLYN NY 11212
Telephone: (718) 240-6282
Director: EDGAR FAYANS
Program: GPR-1 YR - 2ND YEAR OPTIONAL
Code: 8085 Openings: 5

INTERFAITH MEDICAL CENTER
DEPARTMENT OF DENTISTRY
1536 BEDFORD AVENUE
BROOKLYN NY 11216
Telephone: (718) 935-8103
Director: INGRID A DOWRICH DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8105 Openings: 4

KINGS COUNTY HOSPITAL CENTER
451 CLARKSON AVENUE
BROOKLYN NY 11203
Telephone: (718) 270-1884
Director: JULIUS R BERGER DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8115 Openings: 9

KINGSBROOK JEWISH MEDICAL CENTER
585 SCHENECTADY AVENUE
BROOKLYN NY 11203
Telephone: (718) 604-5381
Director: SHELDON D STACHEL DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 7515 Openings: 6

LUTHERAN MEDICAL CENTER
DENTAL DEPARTMENT - GPR
150 55 STREET
BROOKLYN NY 11220
Telephone: (718) 630-6816
Director: KATHLEEN L. AGOGLIA, DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8145 Openings: 2

ST. VINCENT CATHOLIC MEDICAL CTR
ST. MARY'S HOSPITAL
DEPARTMENT OF DENTAL MEDICINE
170 BUFFALO AVENUE
BROOKLYN NY 11213
Telephone: (718) 221-3110
Director: DAVID J MILLER DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8305 Openings: 10

THE BROOKLYN HOSPITAL CENTER
DEPT. ORAL & MAXILLOFACIAL SURG.
121 DEKALB AVENUE, BOX 187
BROOKLYN NY 11201
Telephone: (718) 250-8258
Director: HARRY DYM DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 9595 Openings: 4

WOODHULL MED & MENTAL HEALTH CTR
760 BROADWAY
DENTAL 2C-320
BROOKLYN NY 11206
Telephone: (718) 963-8310 EXT 8381
Director: SHELDON D STACHEL DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8175 Openings: 7

WYCKOFF HEIGHTS MEDICAL CENTER
DEPARTMENT OF DENTISTRY
374 STOCKHOLM STREET
BROOKLYN NY 11237
Telephone: (718) 963-7174
Director: MIRIAM BONET
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 9115 Openings: 5

BRONX LEBANON HOSPITAL CENTER
DEPARTMENT OF DENTISTRY
1650 SELWYN AVENUE
SUITE 10-B
BRONX NY 10457
Telephone: (718) 960-2018
Director: DR. PAUL E GATES
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8045 Openings: 4

LINCOLN MED & MENTAL HEALTH CTR
DEPT. OF DENTISTRY
#234 149TH STREET
BRONX NY 10451
Telephone: (718) 579-5691
Director: DR. PETER GERSHENSON
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 9895 Openings: 5

MONTEFIORE MEDICAL CENTER
DEPARTMENT OF DENTISTRY
111 EAST 210 STREET
BRONX NY 10467
Telephone: (718) 519-3303
Director: DR. NADINE NEWSOME
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 9785 Openings: 11

ST BARNABAS HOSPITAL
DEPT OF DENTISTRY
183 STREET AND 3RD AVENUE
BRONX NY 10457
Telephone: (718) 960-6498
Director: DARA ROSENBERG
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 9835 Openings: 16

BROOKDALE HOSPITAL MEDICAL CTR
DEPT OF DENTAL & ORAL SURGERY
ONE BROOKDALE PLAZA
BROOKLYN NY 11212
Telephone: (718) 240-6282
Director: EDGAR FAYANS
Program: GPR-1 YR - 2ND YEAR OPTIONAL
Code: 8085 Openings: 5

INTERFAITH MEDICAL CENTER
DEPARTMENT OF DENTISTRY
1536 BEDFORD AVENUE
BROOKLYN NY 11216
Telephone: (718) 935-8103
Director: INGRID A DOWRICH DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8105 Openings: 4

KINGS COUNTY HOSPITAL CENTER
451 CLARKSON AVENUE
BROOKLYN NY 11203
Telephone: (718) 270-1884
Director: JULIUS R BERGER DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8115 Openings: 9

KINGSBROOK JEWISH MEDICAL CENTER
585 SCHENECTADY AVENUE
BROOKLYN NY 11203
Telephone: (718) 604-5381
Director: SHELDON D STACHEL DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 7515 Openings: 6

LUTHERAN MEDICAL CENTER
DENTAL DEPARTMENT - GPR
150 55 STREET
BROOKLYN NY 11220
Telephone: (718) 630-6816
Director: KATHLEEN L. AGOGLIA, DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8145 Openings: 2

ST. VINCENT CATHOLIC MEDICAL CTR
ST. MARY'S HOSPITAL
DEPARTMENT OF DENTAL MEDICINE
170 BUFFALO AVENUE
BROOKLYN NY 11213
Telephone: (718) 221-3110
Director: DAVID J MILLER DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8305 Openings: 10

THE BROOKLYN HOSPITAL CENTER
DEPT. ORAL & MAXILLOFACIAL SURG.
121 DEKALB AVENUE, BOX 187
BROOKLYN NY 11201
Telephone: (718) 250-8258
Director: HARRY DYM DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 9595 Openings: 4

WOODHULL MED & MENTAL HEALTH CTR
760 BROADWAY
DENTAL 2C-320
BROOKLYN NY 11206
Telephone: (718) 963-8310 EXT 8381
Director: SHELDON D STACHEL DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8175 Openings: 7

WYCKOFF HEIGHTS MEDICAL CENTER
DEPARTMENT OF DENTISTRY
374 STOCKHOLM STREET
BROOKLYN NY 11237
Telephone: (718) 963-7174
Director: MIRIAM BONET
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 9115 Openings: 5

 

[gryffindor]

Here are the rest:

UNIV AT BUFFALO/KALEIDA HEALTH
STATE UNIV OF NEW YORK - BUFFALO
SCHOOL OF DENTAL MEDICINE
355 SQUIRE, 3435 MAIN STREET
BUFFALO NY 14214-3008
Telephone: (716) 829-2241
Director: TERRENCE J THINES DDS MS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8185 Openings: 4

PENINSULA HOSPITAL CENTER
5115 BEACH CHANNEL DRIVE
FAR ROCKAWAY NY 11691
Telephone: (718) 734-2776
Director: JASON H SEO DDS MS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8265 Openings: 8

NEW YORK HOSP MED CTR OF QUEENS
DEPARTMENT OF DENTAL MEDICINE
56-45 MAIN STREET
FLUSHING NY 11355
Telephone: (718) 670-1060
Director: BURTON S WASSERMAN DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8275 Openings: 1

JAMAICA HOSPITAL
DEPARTMENT OF DENTISTRY
130-20 JAMAICA AVENUE
JAMAICA NY 11418
Telephone: (718) 206-6980
Director: PAUL S KAUFMAN
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8315 Openings: 7

LONG ISLAND JEWISH MEDICAL CTR
DEPARTMENT OF DENTAL MEDICINE
270-05 76TH AVENUE
NEW HYDE PARK NY 11040
Telephone: (718) 470-7122
Director: PETER A MYCHAJLIW DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8345 Openings: 2

COLER-GOLDWATER SPECIALTY HOSP
AND NURSING FACILITY
GOLDWATER CAMPUS, DEPT. OF DENT.
F.D. ROOSEVELT ISLAND
NEW YORK NY 10044
Telephone: (212) 318-4488
Director: OPAL GOODRIDGE DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8385 Openings: 5

COLUMBIA-PRESBYTERIAN MED CTR/
PRESBYTERIAN HOSPITAL
ATTN: DAWN KEEPSEAGLE
630 WEST 168TH STREET, HP 8-806
NEW YORK NY 10032
Telephone: (212) 305-7626
Director: GREGORY BUNZA, DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR - 2ND YR OPTIONAL
Code: 8455 Openings: 2

HARLEM HOSPITAL CENTER/
COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY
DEPT. OF DENTISTRY/OMFS
506 LENOX AVENUE-WP 204
NEW YORK NY 10037
Telephone: (212) 939-2882
Director: JAMES R KING DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 7365 Openings: 3

MOUNT SINAI MEDICAL CENTER
DEPARTMENT OF DENTISTRY
1 GUSTAVE LEVY PLACE
BOX 1187
NEW YORK NY 10029
Telephone: (212) 241-7681
Director: JOHN PFAIL DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8435 Openings: 4

NEW YORK MEDICAL COLLEGE
SOUTHERN CONSORTIUM - GPR
DEPARTMENT OF DENTAL MEDICINE
1901 FIRST AVENUE
NEW YORK NY 10029
Telephone: (212) 423-8977
Director: JOHN SYMECKO DMD
Program: GPR-1 YR - METRO & ST. CLARE'S
Code: 8425 Openings: 4

ST LUKE'S-ROOSEVELT HOSPITAL CTR
DEPARTMENT OF DENTISTRY
1111 AMSTERDAM AVENUE
NEW YORK NY 10025
Telephone: (212) 523-3171
Director: BRUCE LISH DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8465 Openings: 3

ROCHESTER GENERAL HOSPITAL
DEPARTMENT OF DENTISTRY
1425 PORTLAND AVENUE
ROCHESTER NY 14621
Telephone: (585) 922-4883
Director: MARYJO MARRO-TOBIN DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8515 Openings: 5

UNIVERSITY OF ROCHESTER
DEPARTMENT OF DENTISTRY
601 ELMWOOD AVENUE
BOX 705
ROCHESTER NY 14642
Telephone: (585) 275-8315
Director: TODD THIERER DDS, MPH
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8535 Openings: 3

STATEN ISLAND UNIV. HOSPITAL
475 SEAVIEW AVENUE
DEPARTMENT OF DENTISTRY
STATEN ISLAND NY 10305
Telephone: (718) 226-9847
Director: DONALD RATCLIFFE DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8565 Openings: 6

WESTCHESTER COUNTY MEDICAL CTR
DEPARTMENT OF DENTAL MEDICINE
MACY PAVILION ROOM 1043
VALHALLA NY 10595
Telephone: (914) 493-7622
Director: ROSA MARTINEZ DDS
Program: GPR-1 YR
Code: 8615 Openings: 5

 

[toothlord]

what a dedicated person,thank you so much we appreciate your cooperation.

 

[KAJALKIRAN]

hey griffin this exhaustive list looks great! appreciate your emphatic response..BUT almost ALL of us here are International dentists and the ADA specifically states that to qualify for a licence an intl dentist must have 2 additional years of education in an ADA accredited program only, and almost all of these are not in the list given by the ADA; yeah, some one can go ahead and give a try for these programs if just experience is a goal and but not for the purpose of licence..
K'jal

 

[KAJALKIRAN]

ps:
also most of these places offer positions for American citizens or for ADA Accridited graduates only.... but be sure to check out yourself for a better confirmation...

 

[sck]

hi,
i have called quite a few of these and the laws of New York state donot allow foreign trained dentist to be eligible for these positions in GPR or AEGD. actually Kajalkiran, if one can get into an AEGD, GPR program to start with, it becomes a lot easier to get accepted into a specialty after that because many specialties say that do an AEGD, GPR for one year and u have a better chance of interview and acceptance after that.. So people interested in specialty who dont get in immediately try this route and many succeed.. just like smile doc did!!
But NY state is ruled out.. and a lot of others also dont take foreign dentists ie because of the temporary license issue i believe.

 

[Meggs]

Before any of you waste your time and money on calls, do this:

FIRST take a look at the PASS website for AEGD and GPR.
Go here: http://www.adea.org/student-applicant/default.htm
Click on PASS,
then on Participating Postdoctoral Programs,
then on the program of your choice.

In the very first page of that document they explain the requirements for the different programs. Print that and read it, and pick out the programs that DO accept foreign trained students. After that you can call and find out whether they still have positions left.

 

[sck]

Originally posted by meggs
Before any of you waste your time and money on calls, do this:

FIRST take a look at the PASS website for AEGD and GPR.
Go here: http://www.adea.org/student-applicant/default.htm
Click on PASS,
then on Participating Postdoctoral Programs,
then on the program of your choice.

In the very first page of that document they explain the requirements for the different programs. Print that and read it, and pick out the programs that DO accept foreign trained students. After that you can call and find out whether they still have positions left.

That's exactly what i did!! that's the right way of doing rather than calling everywhere.. But after doing this u will see that eventually u r left with just one or two programs!!!! which might have filled the seats with the american dentists so far.. but not a bad idea to try if one wants to.

 

[Meggs]

Originally posted by sck
.. But after doing this u will see that eventually u r left with just one or two programs!!!!

That's our destiny!!! What can we do??? nothing.

 

[gryffindor]

Sorry, I didn't mean to mislead anyone. It just seemed like there are SO MANY open spots in New York, I can't imagine how they fill all those residencies.

Anyhow, meggs gave the proper way of determining if a program will take foreign dentists or not. However, I've learned that what is printed in the requirements section of the PASS application isn't always true - there are exceptions made to everything everywhere. So it doesn't hurt to call a place and ask. Sounds like New York is out for foreign dentists, but whatever other states do allow foreign dentists into GPR/AEGD programs, call and see if they have openings. Even if the post-match list doesn't show any open spots, sometimes residents have to drop out for some reason and a spot opens up.

Also, even though many programs don't list a second year of GPR/AEGD as being available on the PASS application, almost every program I interviewed with had one second year resident or more. Sometimes when the first year spots don't fill, they'll let people stay on for a second year. Also, as what happened at my school's (Buffalo) AEGD, so many first year residents decided to stay on for a second year, it decreased the number of first year spots available for the new incoming class.

However, I thought someone mentioned on here the 2-year AEGD in Rochester as a possibility for foreign dentists. How can foreign dentists be allowed into that program if NY doesn't accept any outside training? Unless you are talking about Rochester, Minnesota and not Rochester, NY, then I guess it's a different story.

Good luck!

 

[Meggs]

Thanks griffin for sharing.

Yeah, is Rochester, NY. NY as a state doesn't allow foreign trained to get licensed directly, but NY schools are OK with studies there.

Also, even though many programs don't list a second year of GPR/AEGD as being available on the PASS application, almost every program I interviewed with had one second year resident or more

You seem like the right person to ask these questions:
How competitive is to get allowed to stay for a second year?
How competitive are AEGD and GPR programs that award Masters degree?

Sorry, I didn't mean to mislead anyone. It just seemed like there are SO MANY open spots in New York, I can't imagine how they fill all those residencies.

That's ok, this bussiness is so hard to understand, that even ourselves have a hard time getting it.

I don't think they actually fill all those spots, but for some reason foreign trained (regardless of citizenship) aren't tempting to them, maybe we're not viable or something.

Do hospitals actually need those residency students? Are those students helpfull or they're more like a hassle ('cause of inexperience)?
Becuase I was thinking maybe some hospitals in some very diverse parts of the state, are willing to waive the US degree requirement, if the foreing trained applicant is an asset to their language and cultural staff pool. Like a Russian doctor will be really helpful in a place with a high Russian population, you know stuff like that.....
How bad those hospitals and schools need residency students?

 

[smiledoc]

Hi all!
About the experience first----its good for u to be experienced---if they don't find any resident for their programs they will consider
1-nbde score
2- experience
3- hospital based experience or clinical setting---private or govt
4-performance at the interviews ---either on fone or in person.
U need not go to all the interviews--tell them the unreasonable circumstances of visa clearance etc.. for coming to the interview---some of my friends got admissions on telefonic interviews--but its good if you ask to come over for an interview coz then u have a doc from the univ or hospital which will be use ful for the visa purpose---all this is so much related that u cannot just separate it. Some of you guys must be having a resident status here--but who do have to go thro visa process --plan all in advance and act accordingly. Sometimes just being present and available can create a spot for you.
The fact of the matter is--IF THEY THINK YOU ARE USEFUL U R IN, AND IF THEY THINK THAT U R NOT USEFUL--NO MATTER WHAT--U R OUT. So create a faaaadooo impression at the interview and prove it when u come to the program. Our places have lot more patients and training than they have it here--most important thing is ---here u cannot a mistake --not a single mistake. That is altogether a different story---------and will need anew thread. Anyways.

I came here on b1, b2 first for NBDE and then went back and then came again ---and got I20 from here and then came on F1. So if I have done it u can also do it--look for opportunities--I got one ---u might also. I know its hard to get into GPR--but its not impossible.

About 2 yrs training and license--as far as I knoe its worthless spending 100000$ learning the same things u learnt in the dental school. I may be wrong. But I bet getting into some 1 yr 2 yr training and be able to acquire a license to practise anywhere is good enough---at least u r not bothered about the loans and stuff---again I may be wrong. But imagine if you invest 100000$ in a practise in India---u have a cream clientelle and u r fine---I bet on this. But yes I may be wrong.

Again to the old story folks!!! NY has a requirement to be a resident---but Rochester takes residents especially foreign trained for their 2 yr program---y --coz they have found out a way around this---this is a 2 yr program after which the student is called DDS and they are eligible for the NERB----but they cannot practise in the state of NY. At least u have a qualification. And how many of us are gonna practise in 20 states after we qualify--think!! Such things are very intricate and I have found out the hard way that--IF YOU WANNA TRY TRY EVERY DAMN THING AND U HAVE A BETTER CHANCE THAN THE ONE WHO DID NOT TRY FOR ALL THE OPTIONS--SO GO FOR IT. I know money is the criteria---if it eriously is--then come over to the US for some non clinical---academic program and spend a yr here and apply for the next cycle --being here in the US can make a huge huge difference--but look for programs which are offering some kind of stipends and tuition waivers---so that u have money to play with and do all this expensive jhol jhal.
I think I have talked a lot--the lists given griffin04 are good enough to start with and in fact many of your futtures lie in that list---so search of your name in those positiin--I persist. Trade--make them understand your interest---believe me they know the way around --whatever is mentioned in the PASS sites--its mentioned coz it needs to be mentioned--so many would not even try after looking at that---but thats not keen ness---if you talk to the program director and say that u know u do not qualify for want of being a US resident--still u wanted to give it a try---it creates an impression--trust me.

enough
enough
enough
bye .
read the quote below----------------------

 

[KAJALKIRAN]

--coz they have found out a way around this---this is a 2 yr program after which the student is called DDS and they are eligible for the NERB----

hey smiledoc you are back again with your exhaustive information eh? you are indeed a person with an admirable amount of patience! appreciate that......
well i was wondering how can a person graduating from an AEGD (which is truly a certficate program) be called as or given a "DDS"? if true, i will be the first to sue that program, as that would mean that they are actually giving away a "DDS" degree for free, when there are thousands out here trying to get a loan of 100k to pay their fees!
about taking the NERB...... again, this is on a diferent basis for people who dont have a DDS, as in the NERB website, it specifically says something like state based or something like that and there is a clear distinction made b/w ADA accridited grads and others......

 

[gryffindor]

Originally posted by meggs
Thanks griffin for sharing.

Yeah, is Rochester, NY. NY as a state doesn't allow foreign trained to get licensed directly, but NY schools are OK with studies there.

You seem like the right person to ask these questions:
How competitive is to get allowed to stay for a second year?
How competitive are AEGD and GPR programs that award Masters degree?

From my interviews, it seemed like they try to ask the current first year residents to find someone to stay for a second year. If no one in the first year group wants to stay, then they look at outside applicants.

I wasn't aware that there are AEGDs and GPRs that award Master's degrees.

University of Rochester has a dental component to their university (not a full dental school, but they offer all the specialty programs), so I can see how they get around the NY rule then.

As far as the hospitals needing the residents, I will better be able to answer those questions once I start my residency in July. Maybe they do end up filling all those open post-match spots after students fail the NERB or make last minute decisions to do a residency.

Originally posted by smiledoc
This AEGD or GPR form the base ---and its a lot of learning experience---dentistry practised for example in INdia is altogether different from here. There skepticism makes sense. ANY KIND OF TRAINING FROM ANYWHERE DOES NOT APPEAL TO THEM. THIS IS A PRACTICAL FACT AND THEY DO NOT RECOGNIZE ANYTHING BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE YOU IN THE CLINIC AND WORK WITH THEM.

About 2 yrs training and license--as far as I knoe its worthless spending 100000$ learning the same things u learnt in the dental school.

smiledoc, You say that dentistry is practiced differently here and then go on to say it is worthless to go through the 2 year training in dental school. Everyone isn't as lucky as you to get into a GPR/AEGD residency program as an international dentist. If dentistry is done somewhat differently here, that seems to be an adequate reason why the majority of states require some sort of American training (either a GPR/AEGD or IDP) before granting a license to practice. Besides, as mentioned on the GPR/AEGD thread, you will not be able to practice in NY after you complete your training. If a foreign dentist wants to practice in NY for any reason, then they have to go through the IDP route. The five year reciprocity isn't always extended to those who don't have an American/Canadian DDS/DMD. The GPR/AEGD route isn't going to be very beneficial to those dentists unless they do an IDP program as well. The only exception I can think of is if they stay in a dental school setting in NY.

 

[smiledoc]

Yes that is the only difference apart form all the paperwork and payment protocols, referral protocols, consult protocols etc.. If you come from a dental school inINdia which has an astounding patient base especially Govt. dental colleges--with sufficiently Ok technological facilities---then I do not think that you are at all lost when you come to these programs--AEGD or GPR. SO this is my opinion--others might disagree.
Yes Kajalkiran --when I went for the interview to Rochesters --Eastman dental center--I was told that the day I get into the residency --I will be wearing a tag with my name on it and the designation of DDS--that means --either u r required to get a limited registration with the state board or ???????????. But that is true---all the residents that I met were "DDS"--and they were mostly foreign graduates. As far as license after AEGD is concerned--I am sure u can take the NERBs and practise in most of the sates under NERB --but NY. So if a person cannot live outside NY then --go ahead and spend the required $___Ks and get going. When I am talking about having to practise in the US I talk for people who wish to pursue a career of a practisinf clinical dentist but they have no financial support or backing. Those who have money to spend ---they have all the options in the world. Its just that its ingrained in the mind that spending a lot of money and getting education in expensive schools after paying such huge amounts does not appeal to me. Actually everyone can have different opinions--I know I am fortunate to have gotten admission into such a wonderful program---but u know what its been 8 yrs that I have graduated (BDS) --and the struggle has been long --and I now think its worth it--I could'nt have ever imagined to spend even 10000$ to come over to study here. So guys --those of you who do not have easy bucks ---don't worry---u will make it --be persistent--and work hard. After all that--if you make it--even if you are 32-35 yrs of age--its again worth it. Try and apply to the same programs that you did this yr, next yr too---they will call you for the interview one day. U know what---Fortune favours the brave.
" Be like a duck --calm and cool on the surface ,
But paddling like a devil underneath"

Cya all---some people still seem to angry while replying--don't know why---but its all in the game. Have fun
Njoy

 

[Meggs]

Originally posted by griffin04
I wasn't aware that there are AEGDs and GPRs that award Master's degrees.

Yes, some two years ones.

Thanks for your reply griffin.

 

[kpat]

Originally posted by meggs
Yes, some two years ones.

Thanks for your reply griffin.

I agree with Griffin......not aware of anything leading to a MS ....?

Meggs, which AEGD programs in specific award a master's degree??? I am curious.

As far as I know, even among the specialty programs, certificate vs. Master's programs there are different requirements for master's dergree compared to certificate programs.....The master's programs tends to be strict in their requirements as to wanting their students to take almost all of the basic sceince courses and do a thesis project leading to a publication....

So, may be AEGD does award a certificate maybe.........or is it really a MS degree??? Little hard to beleive from what I know, but may be I am not aware of everything that is out there !? wouldn't be surprised.....