Neurocritical care job demand

[Neuroresident]

Hi all,
I am at a critical juncture where I soon need to decide on which fellowship to apply. I am wavering between vascular neurology vs. neurocritical care. As many are aware that soon the option to get double boarded will no longer be available and we will have to choose either of them. I know that past couple of years has been especially good for newly graduated neurocritical care fellows with everybody having a good number of job offers even before finishing the fellowships. Now if you look at the neurocritical care society website there has been atleast 100-110 new fellows getting certified each year. Is there really a demand that will sustain this much output? I mean we are talking about 25% of total neurologists (there are about 400 residents finishing their neurology residency each year). How long all these neurocritical care fellows will be able to find jobs if the output continues to be this high. Any comments??

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[Neuroresident]

Any anwers please?

 

[RAD345]

The NCC and Stroke are 2 different things in the fellowship world but outside in real world may be a little bit closer. I wouldn't worry that much about the job, as most of the hospitals going toward subspecialization.

Stroke has more taste of neurology compared to NCC which is more medicine oriented, and also will take care of head traumas, SAH and once in a while Status and MG crisis. (It could be in different in other places)

So, I would think about what really interest me the most between these two not the job market.

Just my 2 cents!

RAD345
Stroke fellow

 

[AznTrojan]

Hi all,
I am at a critical juncture where I soon need to decide on which fellowship to apply. I am wavering between vascular neurology vs. neurocritical care. As many are aware that soon the option to get double boarded will no longer be available and we will have to choose either of them. I know that past couple of years has been especially good for newly graduated neurocritical care fellows with everybody having a good number of job offers even before finishing the fellowships. Now if you look at the neurocritical care society website there has been atleast 100-110 new fellows getting certified each year. Is there really a demand that will sustain this much output? I mean we are talking about 25% of total neurologists (there are about 400 residents finishing their neurology residency each year). How long all these neurocritical care fellows will be able to find jobs if the output continues to be this high. Any comments??

i would say your numbers are bit off.. i would say about 50 NCC fellows are coming out of programs each year.. last time i checked.. there weren't that many NCC fellowship programs and many do not completely fill their positions.. additionally.. a good portion of NCC grads are trying to go down the neurointerventional route

by the way.. the job market for neurocritical care is great.. it depends what part of the country you want to be.. or academic vs private practice.. but you will have no problem finding a job..

 

[Mattchiavelli]

Hi all,
I am at a critical juncture where I soon need to decide on which fellowship to apply. I am wavering between vascular neurology vs. neurocritical care. As many are aware that soon the option to get double boarded will no longer be available and we will have to choose either of them. I know that past couple of years has been especially good for newly graduated neurocritical care fellows with everybody having a good number of job offers even before finishing the fellowships. Now if you look at the neurocritical care society website there has been atleast 100-110 new fellows getting certified each year. Is there really a demand that will sustain this much output? I mean we are talking about 25% of total neurologists (there are about 400 residents finishing their neurology residency each year). How long all these neurocritical care fellows will be able to find jobs if the output continues to be this high. Any comments??

Out of these fellows, are they all neurologists? any EM or NSurg people in that 100-110?

 

[Vivara]

What do you mean that the option to double board won't be available?

I've had my eyes set on this fellowship, which is two years in length. It states on that page that: "In addition to two years of Neurocritical Care training, opportunities are also available to add a third year of fellowship training in stroke (ColumbiaACGME vascular neurology fellowship)"

Please enlighten me!

V.

 

[Neuroresident]

i would say your numbers are bit off.. i would say about 50 NCC fellows are coming out of programs each year.. last time i checked.. there weren't that many NCC fellowship programs and many do not completely fill their positions.. additionally.. a good portion of NCC grads are trying to go down the neurointerventional route

by the way.. the job market for neurocritical care is great.. it depends what part of the country you want to be.. or academic vs private practice.. but you will have no problem finding a job..

This is my source for the numbers of fellows coming out each year:

http://www.neurocriticalcare.org/files/public/2010.Diplomates.pdf

It says there were 174 diplomats in 2010, 124 in 2008 and 91 in 2007.

 

[Neuroresident]

Till 2013 if you have done 2 year vascular neurology fellowship, you can take NCC board exam and vice versa. But after 2013 you can not do double board certification unless you do both 2 year NCC fellowship and 1 year seperate vascular fellowship.

What do you mean that the option to double board won't be available?

I've had my eyes set on this fellowship, which is two years in length. It states on that page that: "In addition to two years of Neurocritical Care training, opportunities are also available to add a third year of fellowship training in stroke (ColumbiaACGME vascular neurology fellowship)"

Please enlighten me!

V.

 

[Vivara]

Till 2013 if you have done 2 year vascular neurology fellowship, you can take NCC board exam and vice versa. But after 2013 you can not do double board certification unless you do both 2 year NCC fellowship and 1 year seperate vascular fellowship.

Thanks... nothing changes for me then.

 

[AznTrojan]

This is my source for the numbers of fellows coming out each year:

http://www.neurocriticalcare.org/files/public/2010.Diplomates.pdf

It says there were 174 diplomats in 2010, 124 in 2008 and 91 in 2007.

those are people who are boarded in NCC (many taking it under the practice track).. it doesn't mean there are that many fellows coming out each year.. many programs aren't even fully matched and have openings for 2011 and 2012..

 

[Killall Pain]

Let me revive the topic, please.
For some reason I've seen only few posted positions for NCC specialists. How good/bad is the current job market for them?
Especially, for IM-trained neurointensivists? (Most of the ads are asking for BC in Neuro).
It would be very helpful to know the opinion of NCC fellows and attending. Thank you.