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Discussion in 'Medical Students - DO' started by Toran, Oct 26, 2001.

  1. Toran

    Toran Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    First off, Kim the reason that I posted here is because I had no responsed in the residency section, and I thought that I would get a better response from a larger group of peers.
    Now, I was wondering what the opportunities are in the community for OMM residencies, academics, and research. What specific hospitals are "the best", and do you have any suggestions to point me in the right direction.
    Thanks,
    Toran
     
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  3. Mr. happy clown guy

    Mr. happy clown guy Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    Are you following me?
    You mean fellowships in OMM?
    Best hospitals...check USNews and World Report. Best Hospitals in what?
     
  4. BigSkyDreams

    BigSkyDreams Smelly Uncle Member 10+ Year Member

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    Howdy,

    T,

    Try the AOA site also.
     
  5. Toran

    Toran Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    thanks for the responses.
    I meant to ask what residencies are available for osteopathic graduates, to specialize in neuromusculoskeletal medicine
    Any suggestions?
    BSD I have looked there before, and all that I have come up with is board certification. Do you know of something more specific?
    T
     
  6. Mr. happy clown guy

    Mr. happy clown guy Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    Are you following me?
    Neuromusculoskeletal medicine is a chiropractic term. My guess is that you are interested in Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation or Orthopedic Surgery or Rheumatology. Go to the FREIDA website for the absolute best residencies in these fields.
     
  7. Toran

    Toran Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    Happy, please check this site: http://www.academyofosteopathy.org/certif.htm There is an accredidation process for doctors, called board certification. This is the accredidating board for osteopathic docs.
    Toran
    Neuromusculoskeletal medicine accredidation
     
  8. Freeeedom!

    Freeeedom! Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    Dude, trust me, that "certification" is for [email protected] It means virtually NOTHING and offers no additional practice. Like CLOWN said, that term is an old chiropractic term...and used by the old school DO's also.
    Anything by AAO is a bit suspect.
    Man, I am a Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist, but that means NOTHING in medicine or ANYWHERE and offers no benefits.

    If you REALLY want to practice in rehab or orthopedics go the route CLOWN said...check FREIDA for PM&R residencies or Rheumatology Fellowships.
    You aren going down the wrong path.
     
  9. Amra

    Amra A Quiet Voice of Reason 10+ Year Member

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    There now is Board Certification for OMT. It recently went through the AOA. I had a nice conversation about it at one of my interviews. Big fear with DO's that currently use OMT in their practice is that insurance companies will change billing requirements so that only those that are board certified will be allowed to charge for the procedure.

    -A
     
  10. Toran

    Toran Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    How about certification from AOA? http://www.aoa-net.org/Certification/neuromusc.htm
    University of New England (NYCOM), is currently looking for an Assistant Professor in the Department of OMM for some one who is board certified by the AOBNMM, and is publishing ads in The DO.
    That makes me think that the certification is important, and I am wondering about the residencies necessary for quality training in OMM specifically. I don't want to do PM&R because I don't want to work as part of a team in an inpatient setting.
    So, NMM/OMM residencies?
    Thanks fo rthe responses,
    T
     
  11. Amra

    Amra A Quiet Voice of Reason 10+ Year Member

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    Remember, many schools offer Fellowship training in OMM during your 3-4-5 years (add an extra 12 months to school). I'm not sure if that allows you to be board eligable though... I cannot seem to locate the right people in the Fellowship programs to get good answers to my questions....

    -A
     
  12. Toran

    Toran Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    There are good fellowships available, and thank you for your reply. However, there is no board eligibility from the fellowship.
    I am looking for residency options, and I think the AOA site has got most of the answers. Now, I am looking to find out more about the quality of the differing residencies.

    Thanks,
    Toran
     
  13. Amra

    Amra A Quiet Voice of Reason 10+ Year Member

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    Remember, the board cert/eligablity is a very new concept. Please keep us posted as to what you find researching from the AOA.

    Thanks!
    -A
     
  14. Toran

    Toran Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    I am continuing to dig here at school, and am slowly getting more clues. My hope is that if I try long enough there will be a flood of answers.
    Toran
     
  15. doatc

    doatc Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    I recently did my 4th year OMM rotation and did my training with a Doc who is Board Certified in Neuromuscular Medicine. In a nut shell the main benefit is reimbursement from insurance companies.

    When she get questioned or receives a denial, most of the time, all she has to do is flash her BC in NMM and there are no more questions asked.

    There has been a special certification in OMM for years, but it was recently changed to be more readily accepted my insurance companies.

    She has a very successful practice which bills 100% insurance with excellent reimbursement.

    Bill
    M4 CCOM
     
  16. Toran

    Toran Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    DOATC,
    Why did you choose CCOM? Can you tell me anything about the residencies available for OMM? Do you know where she did her residency? I am under the impression that neuromusculoskeletal is the new name for OMM...Is that how it has been presented to you? Please tell me more!
    I did my ATC at San Jose State, in California, and am now at KCOM MS1.
    Toran
     
  17. doatc

    doatc Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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  18. Toran

    Toran Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    Doatc,
    I tried to email you directly, but your email does not work. The AAO site was posted in one of the first posts, and many people had something to say about that accredidation. Do you have any differing thoughts?
    If you would like to, please post your email, but don't use mine because it is old too.
    All I am looking for is a plus/minus breakdown for the different qualities of the different residency positions for OMM.
    Thanks
     
  19. doatc

    doatc Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    Toran,

    I am sorry that I cannot comment on the actual fellowships or residencies in OMM. I am currently applying for Residency in Physical Medicine and Rehabilitaion and will eventually satisfy the requirements to sit for the NMM boards. I am sure that you read the different ways that you can qualify for the Board. The easiest is by completing a post graduate fellowship in NMM/OMM/OMT, but I will most likely qualify through satisfying the years of practice and supplemental course work requirement. I updated my e-mail if you want to continue off line.

    Bill
    M4 CCOM
     
  20. Toran

    Toran Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    Isn't there anyone out there looking for their residency position in OMM? Please share what you have found out.
    Toran
     
  21. Freeeedom!

    Freeeedom! Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    Toran, there are FELLOWSHIPS in OMM. That is different than residency. And the OMM/FP combined residency, well I have no idea about the quality...that is what you should worry about.

    As MR.happy clown guy stated before and DOATC has stated, the easiest way is to go through a PM&R residency if you are truly interested in rehab. I had once considered it, but I prefer (since I am also a PT), but I prefer the challenge of Emergency Medicine and I plan on doing a Sports MEdicine fellowship. (both allopathic)

    Good luck to both you and DOATC, Northwestern is an awesome program, I would've chosen to be there also.
     
  22. Toran

    Toran Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    I wonder if people actually read what I write, or do I just truly not understand what you are saying...
    I am interested in practicing on my own, not in a hospital, practicing OMM/neuromusculoskeletal medicine. My question is about an OMM RESIDENCY, not a PM&R residency, and all I want to know is what are the different qualities of those residencies. I know about the fellowships, and I know about the FP + (OMM), and I know about the PM&R. What I don't know about are the different OMM residencies. Anyone have some help, please throw me a rope.
    Thanks for all of your well intentioned replies.
    Toran
    KCOM OMS1
     
  23. osteodoc13

    osteodoc13 Member 7+ Year Member

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    Toran:

    I feel your pain! I was reading this thread and laughing my a** off. I think I understand your question. First of all, there are 7 residencies in OMM: Kirksville, St Barnabas (NY), Dallas/Fort Worth, UNE Bangor, PCOM, and I can't remember the rest (sorry) Check Opportunities for the complete list. Most of the programs are very similar, outpatient based. The only exception is Barnabas, which is almost primarily inpatient based. The real distinction lies in the preceptors you will be working with. If you want to evaluate a program the best thing to do is go out there and do a rotation, either OMM, or some programs will let you do FP, and tell the director that you are interested in the program and want to work with the people you will be learning from. Try to find the people you get along with best, and those whose style fits with your own.

    PS: DOATC, there is no longer a practice track for getting certified in OMM. You would have had to graduate in 1999 in order to be eligible. For the rest of us, the only tracks to certification, for the time being, are OMM residency, OMM/FP residency, or OMM+1 year.

    Hope this helps everyone.

    Brian
     
  24. Freeeedom!

    Freeeedom! Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    Sorry dude, I just wanted to add some prestige to your overall goal...and some flexibility.
     
  25. Toran

    Toran Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    Thanks so much osteo.
    I will probably stay in Kirksville for my residency, although I would like to get my mind around some other schools to see what they offer too. The residency program is really strong here, and the more that I find out about it the stronger it seems.
    Freedom,
    I am simply not interested in the team approach of PM&R, thus I don't want to do a residency in that branch of rehabilitation. I feel that I can do research in OMM and make much more of an impact on patient care, and the educational process of osteopathic medicine that way. My hands were meant to do OMM, I am just totally fascinated with the idea that I can "manipulate" another's function by touching them.
    T
     
  26. doatc

    doatc Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    osteodoc13,

    Where does it say that there "is no longer a practice track for getting certified in OMM. You would have had to graduate in 1999 in order to be eligible." On the Academy of Osteopathy certification site. Do you have some inside info? Just curious.

    Bill
    M4 CCOM
     
  27. Toran

    Toran Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    doatc Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    Toran,

    Thanks for the direct link. I must have missed that section. It is too bad that there will no longer be a "practice track." I probably will not pursue the Board Certification in NMM now and only focus on Fellowship within one of the specialty areas of PM&R, although I will use OMT everyday within my practice. I am curious to see how many people will actually pursue NMM fellowships now that is is required for certification.

    Bill
    M4 CCOM
     
  29. Toran

    Toran Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    I am under the impression that there will be an increased interest in the fellowships because of the insurance companies requiring the certification for billing.
    Anyone out there with more information on this?
     
  30. Toran

    Toran Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    Really...anyone?
     
  31. doatc

    doatc Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    Okay, I will reply.

    I doubt that insurance companies will ever require board certification for reimbursement. The osteopathic profession as a whole would be hurt by such a requirement and the AOA would not let that happen. All DOs are trained to manipulate and should be allowed to do so, and be reimbursed accordingly. I can see insurance companies paying more to Board Certified NMM docs for similar treatments than say a FP doing a treatment. This would be much like the difference in reimbursement for a procedure like a flex sigmoidoscopy performed by a Gastro vs. a FP. Obviously someone who is a specialist in a field should demand more for a procedure, and get reimbursed accordingly.

    Who knows what the future will bring.

    Bill
    M4 CCOM
     

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