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Okay, so I took the bait and subscribed--you know the curiosity and the cat thing. Anyway, I noticed a new topic that I don't remember seeing before (but of course I can't go back to look now)called "residency". It gives the residency match stats for percentage getting their first choice and percentage getting one of their top three choices. Not all schools provided the data (like Hopkins, Harvard and Columbia), but most did. It may be meaningless, or it may be one more factor to throw into the mix for people trying to make up their minds about acceptances--or even about which waitlist to pursue (my situation, since I'm on many). Surprisingly, some of the fabled top ten don't have match stats as good as those of lower schools. Yeah, I know that it also depends on whether most of the class is trying to match for primary care or a specialty. Whatever. Just thought I'd mention it for what it's worth. Don't shoot the messenger.
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I see what you're saying. It's strange how schools like Vanderbilt have considerably higher match rates than Yale, WashU, etc.

One thing that may explain the discrepancy between rank and residency matching % is how well the school advises its students. Some schools do a better job of letting the student know which specialties are attainable given their board scores, grades, etc. before the student ranks them.
 
can you post those numbers please
 
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I don't think it is strange that Vanderbilt etc has higher residency match rates compared to some top ten schools. Top ten schools have students that are most likely applying to top ten residency positions. There are only so many seats to provide all of those doctors with one of their top three choices. Lower ranked schools may have more primary care oriented students and students who aren't so interested in applying to stanford, ucsf, harvard, columbia, etc for residency. I think that all this has a lot to do with getting into your top three choices.

UCSF = WOW!!
 
Pelican Man--tell me which schools you want. It's not like a single page chart, but I'd be happy to check a few for you.
 
please give us the following

UCSF
UCLA
UC Irvine
Northwestern
GWU
MCW
Cornell
Vanderbilt

and I know Pelican man wants this one :D

Pritzker

thanks mister
 
Here are a few people have asked for. I'll keep adding more:

Northwestern:

Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 47.2%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 81.7%

Vanderbilt:

Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 76.5%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 95.1%

Emory:

Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 68.0%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 93.0%
 
UCSF:
Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 63.6%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 90.7%

Primary-Care and In-State Residencies
Three-year average (1999, 2000, and 2001) of graduates entering primary-care specialties (family practice, general pediatrics, general internal medicine): 51.3%
Two-year average (1999 and 2000) of graduates accepting in-state residencies: 58.0%

Cornell:
Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 56.8%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 73.9%

Primary-Care and In-State Residencies
Three-year average (1999, 2000, and 2001) of graduates entering primary-care specialties (family practice, general pediatrics, general internal medicine): 44.1%
Two-year average (1999 and 2000) of graduates accepting in-state residencies: 48.0%

UCLA:
Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 62.4%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 85.6%

Primary-Care and In-State Residencies
Three-year average (1999, 2000, and 2001) of graduates entering primary-care specialties (family practice, general pediatrics, general internal medicine): 63.4%
Two-year average (1999 and 2000) of graduates accepting in-state residencies: 80.0%

U of Chicago:
Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 67.5%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 88.6%

Primary-Care and In-State Residencies
Three-year average (1999, 2000, and 2001) of graduates entering primary-care specialties (family practice, general pediatrics, general internal medicine): 49.0%
Two-year average (1999 and 2000) of graduates accepting in-state residencies: 29.0%

UVa:

Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 56.3%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 85.2%

Note: it only gives these stats for the "top 50".

For Souljah--I then went to the website previously posted to look at the actual match lists and found that those colleges with good stats are also matching to top notch residency programs (I only looked at some specialties), like Duke, Columbia, Hopkins, Mayo..
 
Could you tell me the stats for University of Alabama at Birmingham? It's in the top 30, so I guess it'd be on the residency listing.
thanks
 
UAB

Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 70.9%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 86.8%

Primary-Care and In-State Residencies
Three-year average (1999, 2000, and 2001) of graduates entering primary-care specialties (family practice, general pediatrics, general internal medicine): 50.0%
Two-year average (1999 and 2000) of graduates accepting in-state residencies: 45.0%
 
Could you tell me the stats for UNC?
Thanks.
 
UNC:

Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 61.2%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 80.3%

Primary-Care and In-State Residencies
Three-year average (1999, 2000, and 2001) of graduates entering primary-care specialties (family practice, general pediatrics, general internal medicine): 43.2%
Two-year average (1999 and 2000) of graduates accepting in-state residencies: 31.1%

Dartmouth:

Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 46.6%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 77.6%

Primary-Care and In-State Residencies
Three-year average (1999, 2000, and 2001) of graduates entering primary-care specialties (family practice, general pediatrics, general internal medicine): 44.0%
Two-year average (1999 and 2000) of graduates accepting in-state residencies: 7.0%

I'm from the West Coast, so pardon my ignorance (and webbed feet)--is AECOM Einstein? If so, here it is:
Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 56.8%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 77.8%

Primary-Care and In-State Residencies
Three-year average (1999, 2000, and 2001) of graduates entering primary-care specialties (family practice, general pediatrics, general internal medicine): 55.0%
Two-year average (1999 and 2000) of graduates accepting in-state residencies: 60.0%

It may be self-serving, but I think that the rank order determined by residency directors is more relevant than the overall rank, because it is a reflection of how well it is perceived that your med school prepares you for the next step. Can you believe that we haven't even started yet and we're already having to worry abut what happens 4 years down the road? Are we all neurotic? Masochistic? Yes to both.
 
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I didn't realize at the interview, but Finch grads matched 95% into their top three choices. Isn't that really good?
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Doctora Foxy:
•I didn't realize at the interview, but Finch grads matched 95% into their top three choices. Isn't that really good?•••••I think these numbers are very misleading as well...

IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE TOP THREE CHOICES WERE...

I doubt for example, someone graduating from Finch and someone graduating from Columbia had the same top three choices for their residency pick...

I'm implying that maybe, the caliber of the pick has an effect on the # of people getting their first pick...what do you think?

OH AND CAN YOU PLEASE POST

George Washington Medical School
Medical College of Wisconsin
University of California at Irvine $ San Diego

thanks so much
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by LizardKing:
•It's strange how schools like Vanderbilt have considerably higher match rates than Yale, WashU, etc.
•••••Lizard,
you make it sound like Vanderbilt's a horrible school. <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
 
I found out the catch to this statistic and why it seems so misleading. This stat is used by schools to show off. This is the FIRST CHOICE/TOP 3 CHOICES OF PLACES THAT YOU PLACE ON YOUR MATCHLIST (i.e. PLACES THAT INTERVIEWED YOU). So if you're top choices before interviews is UCSF, Mass General, and Hopkins.... and you get interviews only at UCLA, UCSD, and USC. Let's say that you rank it like UCLA, UCSD, USC (in that order) and get in UCLA. This counts as getting in your first choice and one of your top three. My brother (an MD) told me this before the process and I even asked this question to the students at my interviews.... and they all told me that this is the way it goes. I hope this clears things up.
 
I just wanna thank you for listing all that stuff. We're all here asking a million questions, but you're the one who paid ten bucks and still has to repeat it all to us=).
so, on behalf of myself and all the other cheap members,
THANKS!
 
Sorry guys--I'm away from my stats, but will post more later. To those nay sayers--as noted, you can go to a previously posted site and look at the actual matches. Places Like Vandy and Emory (and others ranked high by the residency directors) place at some pretty prestigious places, so it's not all a numbers game. Not to say you shouldn't take it with a healthy grain of salt.
 
UCSD:

Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 53.8%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 82.7%

Primary-Care and In-State Residencies
Three-year average (1999, 2000, and 2001) of graduates entering primary-care specialties (family practice, general pediatrics, general internal medicine): 60.0%
Two-year average (1999 and 2000) of graduates accepting in-state residencies: 71.0%

Med College of Wisc:

Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 54.0%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 74.3%

Primary-Care and In-State Residencies
Three-year average (1999, 2000, and 2001) of graduates entering primary-care specialties (family practice, general pediatrics, general internal medicine): 45.0%

Can't find UC Irvine. Is it top 50 on either research or primary?
 
Can someone post the data for USC (in CA)? Thanks.
 
Can someone also please post University of Florida and University of Miami?

Muchas gracias :D
 
hey senior member called DF...i liked your old name much more..won't ya change it back for us horny toads that liked you the way you were?
 
i'm a vandy student, and our residency ranking doesn't surprise me. we are very very well received by residency directors because we have the highest board scores in the country. unlike what someone said earlier, we don't try to match at easy family practice residencies. actually, if you see our match list, nobody goes into family practice. in fact, most people match into surgical subspecialties and areas like radiology, etc. residencies don't go by usnews rankings....
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by A. Caveman:
•hey senior member called DF...i liked your old name much more..won't ya change it back for us horny toads that liked you the way you were?•••••What do you mean senior member? I'm just waiting for the grand title over here...... :)
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by whoanelly:
•UCSD:

Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 53.8%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 82.7%

Primary-Care and In-State Residencies
Three-year average (1999, 2000, and 2001) of graduates entering primary-care specialties (family practice, general pediatrics, general internal medicine): 60.0%
Two-year average (1999 and 2000) of graduates accepting in-state residencies: 71.0%

Med College of Wisc:

Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 54.0%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 74.3%

Primary-Care and In-State Residencies
Three-year average (1999, 2000, and 2001) of graduates entering primary-care specialties (family practice, general pediatrics, general internal medicine): 45.0%

Can't find UC Irvine. Is it top 50 on either research or primary?•••••can you please post george washington university?

no irvine is in neither one...
 
I think GW won't be available since it's not top 50.

Can you please post U Florida and U Miami?
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Doctora Foxy:
•I think GW won't be available since it's not top 50.

Can you please post U Florida and U Miami?•••••#44 University of Florida: top 3 choices: 88.6%

#50 Univ of Miami: top 3 choices: 75.3%

Isnt Miami new to the top 50 this year?
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by MacGyver:
• •••quote:•••Originally posted by Doctora Foxy:
•I think GW won't be available since it's not top 50.

Can you please post U Florida and U Miami?•••••#44 University of Florida: top 3 choices: 88.6%

#50 Univ of Miami: top 3 choices: 75.3%

Isnt Miami new to the top 50 this year?•••••Thanks :) Miami is new to 50 this year, but it was ranked previously.
 
Could you please post the results for
#s 44---Ohio State and U of Cincinnati?
I really appreciate it. :)
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by nshastri00:
•i'm a vandy student, and our residency ranking doesn't surprise me. we are very very well received by residency directors because we have the highest board scores in the country. unlike what someone said earlier, we don't try to match at easy family practice residencies. actually, if you see our match list, nobody goes into family practice. in fact, most people match into surgical subspecialties and areas like radiology, etc. residencies don't go by usnews rankings....•••••I agree with nshastri. There are lots of residents at Stanford who are from Vandy, and they are absolutely outstanding. It's not just that they have high Board scores, but their clinical training at the school is top-notch. I've talked with several different faculty and residents here about resident selection stuff, and they all say that they love getting Vanderbilt grads in their residency programs. I'm sure that they are similarly received at other academic residency programs.

Their match list is certainly not a collection of Podunk Hospitals. The Vandy grads can definitely compete with the best of them.

(And no, I've never attended Vanderbilt, nor do I have any other affiliation with the school. :) )
 
I second the request for U Cincinnati and Ohio State. Also, could you post Case Western's info?

many thanks.
 
Ohio State:
Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 62.7%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 89.6%

Primary-Care and In-State Residencies
Three-year average (1999, 2000, and 2001) of graduates entering primary-care specialties (family practice, general pediatrics, general internal medicine): 48.0%
Two-year average (1999 and 2000) of graduates accepting in-state residencies: 44.0%

Cincinnati:
Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 56.8%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 81.5%

Primary-Care and In-State Residencies
Three-year average (1999, 2000, and 2001) of graduates entering primary-care specialties (family practice, general pediatrics, general internal medicine): 47.6%
Two-year average (1999 and 2000) of graduates accepting in-state residencies: 41.5%

USC (California):
Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 55.6%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 80.1%

Primary-Care and In-State Residencies
Three-year average (1999, 2000, and 2001) of graduates entering primary-care specialties (family practice, general pediatrics, general internal medicine): 51.5%
Two-year average (1999 and 2000) of graduates accepting in-state residencies: 72.2%
 
Well, I noticed that Hopkins was listed as N/A for residency placement.

I just got back from the revisit, and they stated that their percentage of students who matched into their #1 choice (not top 3, but THE number one choice) was 70%.

For the MD/PhD class, it was a whopping 100%.

They didnt give out stats for the top 3 choices, they just gave the top #1 choice stat.
 
Case Western:

Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 66.4%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 85.3%

Primary-Care and In-State Residencies
Three-year average (1999, 2000, and 2001) of graduates entering primary-care specialties (family practice, general pediatrics, general internal medicine): 43.3%
Two-year average (1999 and 2000) of graduates accepting in-state residencies: 30.5%
 
Whoanelly,

I just wanna say, I (and many others I'm sure) am truly appreciative of your time and effort you have put in to provide us with the matchlist info of every school requested. :wink:
 
Hey--we're all in this together. And I just asked for help myself: see student satisfaction survey.
 
hey whoanelly, you're amazing! Thanks for all your time! The main question, I was told, was that we should wonder what the schools ranking is with residency directors. This is supposed to be the most objective indication of how well recieved you are as a this student or that student when you are applying for residencies, because advising is HUGE. And every school wants to have these top match stats, and so they tend to advise their students toward programs with which they had been previously successful. Anyone that interviewed at U Mich will know, I think, that they are ranked #4 by the res directors. G'town said that they are ranked highly (though no specifics) by res directors. anyone know how we can find a residency director ranking? Not that rankings matter....
 
On the US News ranking, you can choose to re-sort by residency director ranking, and it does make a difference. For example, I think Stanford moves up from #11 overall to #5 as ranked by residency directors. Michigan moves up from #8 to #6. Wash U drops from #3 to #7. I don't see GW, but maybe since they weren't on the list (of 50) to begin with, they can't be included for residency ranking. More relatively big changes: Chicago up from 19 to 14. Penn down from 4 to 8. UNC up from 22 to 15, UVa up from 27 to 22. Baylor down from 13 to 23 (!) Does that help?
 
Thanks Nelly, you are SO awesome.
 
Thanks Nelly, you are SO awesome. Would you mind giving me those same #'s on Northwestern and UCSD and AECOM (Einstein) when you have the chance? Thanks!
 
UCSD and AECOM are on page 1.

Here is GW's residency matches:

Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 47.1%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 85.0%

Primary-Care and In-State Residencies
Three-year average (1999, 2000, and 2001) of graduates entering primary-care specialties (family practice, general pediatrics, general internal medicine): 46.7%
Two-year average (1999 and 2000) of graduates accepting in-state residencies: N/A

UC-Irivine
Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 50.0%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 79.1%
Primary-Care and In-State Residencies
Three-year average (1999, 2000, and 2001) of graduates entering primary-care specialties (family practice, general pediatrics, general internal medicine): 51.0%
Two-year average (1999 and 2000) of graduates accepting in-state residencies: 83.0%

Northwestern:
Residency Program Admissions
2001 graduates admitted to their first-choice residency program: 47.2%
2001 graduates admitted to one of their top three choices of residency programs: 81.7%

Primary-Care and In-State Residencies
Three-year average (1999, 2000, and 2001) of graduates entering primary-care specialties (family practice, general pediatrics, general internal medicine): 44.1%
Two-year average (1999 and 2000) of graduates accepting in-state residencies: 37.0%
 
Interesting. Northwestern moves up from 22 to 20 and UCSD DROPS from 20 to 27. Huge drop for Einstein, from 31 to 45.That may be the biggest drop of all.
 
my view of the residency reputation scores are that yes, they are important, but that they are lagged. people are set in their ways, it takes time for them to change their opinions

for example, i don't know how many of you follow college basketball, but remember virginia? they were ranked top5 this year even though they sucked just based on preseason hype... it took like 7 weeks of losing for them to drop out of the top10, and then a couple of more weeks to drop out of the top25 altogether -- even though the "actual" computer rankings had plunged them almost immediately

so that's how i see it here. improving schools like ucsd (20) and usc (30-something) are moving up in the rankings but the reputations haven't been fully affected yet. the same can be said of stanford but from the opposite perspective

on the other hand, you could say that it really is based on the quality of how they perform in residency. but that would make no sense to me, as everyone knows that yale students are generally less prepared for residency than other schools of the same stature -- yet look at their whoppin residency rating
 
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