New Laptop for Incoming Medical Student- 2016 edition

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Hi guys,
Since technology changes so much every year wanted to make a new thread for all the incoming/current med students looking to buy a laptop for the Fall.
I wanted some suggestions for my own future laptop, my requirements are:
1. Windows computer
2. Great battery life
3. approximately 15 inch or so screen
4. Relatively light laptop
5. Good digitizer of notes
Thank you so much for your time!

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What's your max budget? No gaming right?
 

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ASUS or Lenovo for sure. Just tailor which model to your wants. Stay away from Dell / HP
 
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Most hp pavilions are good and last a long time. I had mine for 3 years and it's still working fine, a few tweaks here and there is what it takes to get it running like brand new.They aren't really light, but I wouldn't consider laptops to be heavy anyway.
 

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ASUS or Lenovo for sure. Just tailor which model to your wants. Stay away from Dell / HP

Lenovo has been dropping prices regularly, still recovering from that whole spyware debacle. They have great specs on paper, but reviews consistently point out poor driver issues. Dell XPS line has been consistently top 1-2 in any laptop comparison test. I'm personally an ASUS fanboy.
 
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What's your max budget? No gaming right?
I would say around 800-900 or so would be my max budget. And no I don't need it for gaming (actually though when I get bored I still play CS 1.6...haha).
 
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Surface pro 4. I used a surface pro 3 in college. It was amazing for note taking and portability.
 
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don't like lenovo at all, for some reason its mouthpad doesn't seem too good.

-ASUS is great, it's well-priced and lasts for a long time.
-Toshiba is also good, but it gets really slow over time
-HP is awesome too, their new high-end laptops work with great speed.
 

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Have you consulted with the school first? Meaning you don't need to buy one of theirs?
Yeah the school gives us an Ipad but we are free to choose the laptop. I was thinking of the surface pro but it's not 'laptop-enough' for me you know..feels too much like a tablet.
 

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Acer R13...it's a tabPC, aka it has a touchscreen and a (durable) hinge setup that allows you to use it, but it's still a laptop. Lightweight, durable (solid state hard drives help with those two!), uses an active stylus and handprint rejection aka it's actually quite easy to write on. A++ would buy again.
 
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+1 for the HP Pavilion but the caveat is that HP's customer service is absolutely horrific. I had my computer for close to three years but then the cooling fan broke and I made the mistake of going to HP directly to get it repaired. Long story short, they not only did not have my part, but they sent me back my computer with a cracked screen and then never ended up giving me any compensation.
 

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Yeah the school gives us an Ipad but we are free to choose the laptop. I was thinking of the surface pro but it's not 'laptop-enough' for me you know..feels too much like a tablet.
It's pretty laptop-y, IMO. I never use it without the keyboard at least attached, though I use the pen often for notes. What about the surface book though?
 
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Lenovo Thinkpad. Best laptop I've ever used.
 
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+1 for the HP Pavilion but the caveat is that HP's customer service is absolutely horrific. I had my computer for close to three years but then the cooling fan broke and I made the mistake of going to HP directly to get it repaired. Long story short, they not only did not have my part, but they sent me back my computer with a cracked screen and then never ended up giving me any compensation.
Well, their customer service is pretty terrible, but I never had a problem with anything like repairs replacements, or compensation. Once somebody who actually knows what their doing answers the phone usually im in good shape.
 

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Thank you for all the options guys! I'll look into all the devices recommended soon! In the meantime if you had any more input please enter it in this thread, I'm sure it will help other 'laptop-hunters' with their choices as well!
 

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Thank you for all the options guys! I'll look into all the devices recommended soon! In the meantime if you had any more input please enter it in this thread, I'm sure it will help other 'laptop-hunters' with their choices as well!
Try and find something bundled with Anti Virus and Microsoft Office. It's way cheaper then buying them all seperate
 

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Try and find something bundled with Anti Virus and Microsoft Office. It's way cheaper then buying them all seperate

Don't buy an anti virus.

I can get access to essential programs like Microsoft Office, MATLAB (i'm an engineering major) etc. through my undergrad university for free. And each university requires its own brand of anti-virus which they provide so I don't think I need to buy that either.
 

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I can get access to essential programs like Microsoft Office, MATLAB (i'm an engineering major) etc. through my undergrad university for free. And each university requires its own brand of anti-virus which they provide so I don't think I need to buy that either.
You NEVER need to buy antivirus, there are free ones that work great. Plus, most of the paid ones are bloated af.
 
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ASUS or Lenovo for sure. Just tailor which model to your wants. Stay away from Dell / HP

You NEVER need to buy antivirus, there are free ones that work great. Plus, most of the paid ones are bloated af.
Off topic: How did you guys manage to get the moving pokemon gifs in your signature? hahah That would be great to have.
 

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What do you guys think about the MacBook Pro? Is it necessary or would a MacBook Air / MacBook be sufficient?
 
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What do you guys think about the MacBook Pro? Is it necessary or would a MacBook Air / MacBook be sufficient?
If you are just using it for notes, there is no need for an i5/i7 or a TB of storage.
 

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What do you guys think about the MacBook Pro? Is it necessary or would a MacBook Air / MacBook be sufficient?
Depends on your needs. MBAs are great because they are light and last for forever on batteries. The new MBPs are more powerful, better specced, has the retina display, but still maintain very long battery lives. The obvious drawback is the increased cost of the MBP.

I would not recommend a macbook however, as they are pretty underpowered.

If your laptop is only going to be a note-taking device/internet surfing, I would probably recommend the MBA. If this laptop is going to be your only computer for the next 4 years, I would recommend the MBP, just to have the flexibility to do other things if you need to. A MBP will have better longevity than the other devices.
 
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Since the OP only mentioned Windows based laptops, I never responded.

However, I have had Dell's, Alienware, HP, Lenovo, IBM... and will never go back to any of them. My MBP is fabulous. Hopefully, it will get me to and through med school, augmented by an iPad pro.

Integrating other technology is seamless. ANDdddddd.... I game on it too :)
 
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@NotAnotherPreMed You can theoretically try out laptops on a one by one basis if you buy them at Best Buy and return them within 14 days. I had a Dell XPS that had high ratings, but I couldn't ignore the fact that the fan was going off like a G6 when I had no background processes running. I later found out that it was a very well known customer service issue and Dell themselves had issues out 3 different BIOS patches in order to fix the problem. However, it appears that all the BIOS patches were not very effective. Later iterations of the XPS did not have this problem. I went to Best Buy explaining that I wanted a return, they didn't ask any questions when I returned it. The next laptop also ran Widows OS that was also dissatisfying for similar reasons and I also returned that within a two week time span. I finally found the perfect laptop for me and have been happy ever since.
 
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I currently use an asus UX305 and love it. Picked it up for C$650 so is great for the price. It's a 13.3 inch screen and very very thin and portable.
OS: Windows 10
CPU: m3-6Y30 clocked at 0.9 GHz
RAM: 8gb clocked at 1866
Screen: 3200 x 1800 QHD+ display with a touch screen (though I never use it)
Battery life: rated at 10 hours and I usually have it last at least 8 hours
Intel integrated graphics
storage: 256 gb SSD

It's a low voltage and clock speed cpu to allow for a long battery life while maintaining a thin figure. Would highly recommend for students. Have not seen it skip a beat with the mobile cpu yet, but just don't expect to be doing hardcore 60fps gaming on it or anything.

You can get it for a good price from the microsoft store if it suits your fancy!
 
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macbook pro...they last forever and ever...
 
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I currently use an asus UX305 and love it. Picked it up for C$650 so is great for the price. It's a 13.3 inch screen and very very thin and portable.
OS: Windows 10
CPU: m3-6Y30 clocked at 0.9 GHz
RAM: 8gb clocked at 1866
Screen: 3200 x 1800 QHD+ display with a touch screen (though I never use it)
Battery life: rated at 10 hours and I usually have it last at least 8 hours
Intel integrated graphics
storage: 256 gb SSD

It's a low voltage and clock speed cpu to allow for a long battery life while maintaining a thin figure. Would highly recommend for students. Have not seen it skip a beat with the mobile cpu yet, but just don't expect to be doing hardcore 60fps gaming on it or anything.

You can get it for a good price from the microsoft store if it suits your fancy!

This is my current laptop too. I have the 1080p version, which is a hair over $500 now at the Microsoft store. OP asked for one with digitizer for notes, so he might need a convertible set-up or else I can't imagine how he's going to take notes on any laptop, even if it has a touchscreen.
 

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I still see people using the white polymer Apple Macbook's if that's any testament to their longevity. Granted, I'm sure these people took good care of them.

I wouldn't describe myself as an Apple fanboy. I had HP's for years and they were fantastic. With that said, I also had an HP Pavillion where the motherboard stopped working randomly, totally shot, done, dead. Not worth the cost of repair.

Got a Retina Macbook Pro 3 years ago and haven't had a single issue yet. They come at a cost, but you truly do get something of value when you buy one. They aren't made of primarily plastic, the batteries hold up well, and it's dependable.

I know you are in the market for a Windows device, but honestly do give a Macbook Air and Mackbook Pro the time of day. You might be spending $800-1200 up front now, but you're getting something that could quite honestly last you through medical school and part of residency with the right level of care.

Food for thought

EDIT: My brother has an ASUS and loves it, and that HP that crashed was replaced for cost of shipping by HP after we complained enough ;) (it was a month out of warranty)
 
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I still see people using the white polymer Apple Macbook's if that's any testament to their longevity. Granted, I'm sure these people took good care of them.

I wouldn't describe myself as an Apple fanboy. I had HP's for years and they were fantastic. With that said, I also had an HP Pavillion where the motherboard stopped working randomly, totally shot, done, dead. Not worth the cost of repair.

Got a Retina Macbook Pro 3 years ago and haven't had a single issue yet. They come at a cost, but you truly do get something of value when you buy one. They aren't made of primarily plastic, the batteries hold up well, and it's dependable.

I know you are in the market for a Windows device, but honestly do give a Macbook Air and Mackbook Pro the time of day. You might be spending $800-1200 up front now, but you're getting something that could quite honestly last you through medical school and part of residency with the right level of care.

Food for thought

EDIT: My brother has an ASUS and loves it, and that HP that crashed was replaced for cost of shipping by HP after we complained enough ;) (it was a month out of warranty)
It's funny, because this is always the go-to for getting a Mac: they just work, without issues. And yet, my work and my family have all had TONS of issues with them, from locking up "because the iCloud account marked it stolen" (we were never able to boot the barely-out-of-warranty computer again, it's bricked) to an overheating issue (seen that on friends' too) to, yes, a virus, to simple hardware problems. They're good quality, yes, but they are just computers. They're not magically resistant to glitches and QC problems. And when you do have an issue, Apple seems to put up a glass wall keeping you from actually fixing the damn thing, at least in my experience.

As for 'working seamlessly with everything', the other go-to, well...my iPod works seamlessly with my Windows PC because I don't use Apple's crappy POS iTunes to manage it. Yeah, iTunes is not required for iDevices. Just as my Kindle works seamlessly with my Windows PC because I don't handcuff it to Amazon's crappy Kindle program - I use one that actually works (and is free). Added bonus: I now no longer have to worry about DRM on my books or my music. What else is there to work with? Everything just plugs in by USB and voila! Unless you mean software, but you have to give Windows the edge for that.

That's not to say that Macs aren't nice - they are. But when you pay in a similar range for a PC, you get something just as nice - actually, imo usually nicer, because you're not paying for the brand as much, and you are paying for whichever expensive PC most closely matches your interests, not just the Apple default. I paid MBP prices for my computer, and I couldn't be happier with my lightweight, SSD tabPC convertible that lets me use a pressure-sensitive active stylus on the touchscreen while keeping the keyboard available.

So, if the Apple default set of options happens to include everything that you care about, then sure, spend the $1200 on it, and it will be the best computer you've ever had. But if your priorities are different, as it sounds like OP's are, you might want to spend that $1200 on something more your style that will also be the best computer you've ever had.

The Mac touchpad can't be beat, though.
 

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And therein, the PC vs. MacBook fight ensues...

Which is too bad because facts get lost this way.

I will never own another Windows based machine. Ever. And I've been around since 8088, 8086, 286, 386, 486 and saw the birth of Pentium.
 

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And therein, the PC vs. MacBook fight ensues...

Which is too bad because facts get lost this way.

I will never own another Windows based machine. Ever. And I've been around since 8088, 8086, 286, 386, 486 and saw the birth of Pentium.
Nah, I'm saying nothing more on the topic. I don't think Macs are bad, I just think they're overblown, and you pay extra for the name. You know, kind of like California!
 

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I will say that my MBP (a few years old) is the single best laptop I have ever owned. It runs the smoothest, has the best graphics I have ever seen on a laptop (Retina Display ftw), is light, doesn't get viruses or any form of malware (there is no true AV available for Mac apparently), and is stunningly beautiful. I have a Windows partition, but I will delete it soon because it has been useless for me. I haven't had an issue with programs being Windows-only because most programs made nowadays are compatible with Macs. I can't wait to eventually replace my desktop PC (now several years old) with a 27-inch iMac with 5K Retina display...

Also, just a quick note about med school laptops. You need to make sure that they allow the models you are looking at. Some schools may not allow certain types of laptops, even if they meet the minimum specs (processor speed, graphics, etc.).
 
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I tinker with electronics as a hobby and I've worked with a lot of laptops. Here's my 2 cents on Mac vs PC.

Macs are built much better. Tolerances for components are razer thin and everything is designed and built very well. For example, the inside of the current 15" retina Macbook pro is just as perfect as the outside. No tape, glue, missing screws ect. Compare that to the 15" Macbook pro's main competitor the Dell XPS 15. From the outside, build quality differences are minimal. You might be able to feel some seams that aren't precisely even with your finger but overall it's a really premium and solid computer. But when you open it up, you see things like components that are taped in place, missing screws and not perfectly applied thermal paste. Does this make a difference in the longevity of the laptop? Between high end laptops like the XPS 15 and the Macbook pros, probably not, but it's nice to know that the craftsmanship is there.

The "Mac Tax" that you're paying for that craftsmanship is huge. Macs rarely go on sale and when they do, they don't get discounted much. A refurb 15" retina Macbook Pro with dedicated graphics still costs $2200. Compare that to a refurb 15" XPS 15 with comparable specs that costs only $1200 from the Dell outlet.

There's this misconception that Macs last longer than laptops. This stems from the fact that people are buying cheap PCs and comparing them to expensive Macs. If you buy a $2200 Retina Macbook Pro today, it won't last you longer than any premium ($1500+) windows laptop.

Bottom line: Buy a Mac for the OS, not for the build quality or the longevity. It's not worth it for that.
 
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It's funny, because this is always the go-to for getting a Mac: they just work, without issues. And yet, my work and my family have all had TONS of issues with them, from locking up "because the iCloud account marked it stolen" (we were never able to boot the barely-out-of-warranty computer again, it's bricked) to an overheating issue (seen that on friends' too) to, yes, a virus, to simple hardware problems. They're good quality, yes, but they are just computers. They're not magically resistant to glitches and QC problems. And when you do have an issue, Apple seems to put up a glass wall keeping you from actually fixing the damn thing, at least in my experience.

As for 'working seamlessly with everything', the other go-to, well...my iPod works seamlessly with my Windows PC because I don't use Apple's crappy POS iTunes to manage it. Yeah, iTunes is not required for iDevices. Just as my Kindle works seamlessly with my Windows PC because I don't handcuff it to Amazon's crappy Kindle program - I use one that actually works (and is free). Added bonus: I now no longer have to worry about DRM on my books or my music. What else is there to work with? Everything just plugs in by USB and voila! Unless you mean software, but you have to give Windows the edge for that.

That's not to say that Macs aren't nice - they are. But when you pay in a similar range for a PC, you get something just as nice - actually, imo usually nicer, because you're not paying for the brand as much, and you are paying for whichever expensive PC most closely matches your interests, not just the Apple default. I paid MBP prices for my computer, and I couldn't be happier with my lightweight, SSD tabPC convertible that lets me use a pressure-sensitive active stylus on the touchscreen while keeping the keyboard available.

So, if the Apple default set of options happens to include everything that you care about, then sure, spend the $1200 on it, and it will be the best computer you've ever had. But if your priorities are different, as it sounds like OP's are, you might want to spend that $1200 on something more your style that will also be the best computer you've ever had.

The Mac touchpad can't be beat, though.

I will concede that. You do pay for the brand a bit when getting an Apple product. However in reference to OP's question, I think you can spend roughly the same amount on a laptop and get similar performance regardless of its brand. I just happen to have had much better luck with the Macbook than with my most recent (high end, imo) HP.
 

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I will concede that. You do pay for the brand a bit when getting an Apple product. However in reference to OP's question, I think you can spend roughly the same amount on a laptop and get similar performance regardless of its brand. I just happen to have had much better luck with the Macbook than with my most recent (high end, imo) HP.
Fair enough. I had the opposite experience with a couple of bad Macs in a row and then this awesome PC. Honestly, I think part of it comes down to, also, that when people like Mac, they're all talking about the same damn computer, but when you talk PC, you're...not. So it's not really 'Mac vs PC', it's 'Mac vs HP blahblah' and 'Mac vs Acer R13' and 'Mac vs Dell XPS', and none of those are the same equation, so people end up talking about different things pretending its the same.

Thanks, btw...this was a non-painful Mac v PC convo, which almost never happens.
 

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I tinker with electronics as a hobby and I've worked with a lot of laptops. Here's my 2 cents on Mac vs PC.

Macs are built much better. Tolerances for components are razer thin and everything is designed and built very well. For example, the inside of the current 15" retina Macbook pro is just as perfect as the outside. No tape, glue, missing screws ect. Compare that to the 15" Macbook pro's main competitor the Dell XPS 15. From the outside, build quality differences are minimal. You might be able to feel some seams that aren't precisely even with your finger but overall it's a really premium and solid computer. But when you open it up, you see things like components that are taped in place, missing screws and not perfectly applied thermal paste. Does this make a difference in the longevity of the laptop? Between high end laptops like the XPS 15 and the Macbook pros, probably not, but it's nice to know that the craftsmanship is there.

The "Mac Tax" that you're paying for that craftsmanship is huge. Macs rarely go on sale and when they do, they don't get discounted much. A refurb 15" retina Macbook Pro with dedicated graphics still costs $2200. Compare that to a refurb 15" XPS 15 with comparable specs that costs only $1200 from the Dell outlet.

There's this misconception that Macs last longer than laptops. This stems from the fact that people are buying cheap PCs and comparing them to expensive Macs. If you buy a $2200 Retina Macbook Pro today, it won't last you longer than any premium ($1500+) windows laptop.

Bottom line: Buy a Mac for the OS, not for the build quality or the longevity. It's not worth it for that.

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My UG major required a top end gaming computer (essentially) in order to do the work necessary in our classes. I bought a Sager (I think I paid ~2400). Top end EVERYTHING for its time. It died a horrible death via motherboard fryage after 2 1/2-3 years of use. Warranty couldn't save it.
I was fortunate enough to get my hands on a 2009 Macbook Pro 17". It still kicks ass to this day.
Bought my spouse an ASUS Transformer 15.6" -- dead after 1 year, motherboard issues again. (This is applicable to the lower end spectrum exp talked about above)
Out of all my UG friends, those of us who started with a PC --> 75% had to get a new PC after 2-3 years in the middle of UG. I don't know anyone who didn't switch to a Mac, and I also haven't heard anyone buy a new one yet (we are sitting at 4 years post at this point)
All of these compounding experiences will push me towards buying a 15" macbook pro in August. OS works wonders, I haven't had a blue screen or crash. I dualbooted Windows on my 17" and have had 0 issues, also.
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Would like to comment on this:
My UG major required a top end gaming computer (essentially) in order to do the work necessary in our classes. I bought a Sager (I think I paid ~2400). Top end EVERYTHING for its time. It died a horrible death via motherboard fryage after 2 1/2-3 years of use. Warranty couldn't save it.
I was fortunate enough to get my hands on a 2009 Macbook Pro 17". It still kicks ass to this day.
Bought my spouse an ASUS Transformer 15.6" -- dead after 1 year, motherboard issues again. (This is applicable to the lower end spectrum exp talked about above)
Out of all my UG friends, those of us who started with a PC --> 75% had to get a new PC after 2-3 years in the middle of UG. I don't know anyone who didn't switch to a Mac, and I also haven't heard anyone buy a new one yet (we are sitting at 4 years post at this point)
All of these compounding experiences will push me towards buying a 15" macbook pro in August. OS works wonders, I haven't had a blue screen or crash. I dualbooted Windows on my 17" and have had 0 issues, also.
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The problem you have is that you bought a Sager. Some of the most shoddily built laptops I have worked with. For that $2400 you could have bought a business class workstation notebook.
 
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The problem you have is that you bought a Sager. Some of the most shoddily built laptops I have worked with. For that $2400 you could have bought a business class workstation notebook.
And I think that this is the undeniable problem with PCs: you can get more for less, but you have to research, because not all options are equal. 'PC' is a catch-all term that encompasses everything from the awesome convertible I have right now to the good-but-fragile XPSs I used to get (Dell would typically replace rather than repair, so I just reported a minor problem once every year or so and got a new, upgraded laptop annually as long as my warranty lasted) to the Sagers.

If you want to figure out exactly what is right for you, and are willing to sift through the available options, PC is a good fit and you can strike gold with it. If you don't, well...Macs are all the same, no need to dig. You just pay a little extra for that. (It's the same with software, btw...if you don't want to think about it,, sure go ahead and use iTunes or Kindle, even though there are other, better programs that are also free. Only there the cost you pay is the lack of quality/customizability, but if you weren't going to bother anyway...)

By very virtue of this thread, OP seems more the former than the latter.
 
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The problem you have is that you bought a Sager. Some of the most shoddily built laptops I have worked with. For that $2400 you could have bought a business class workstation notebook.
This was not common knowledge 7 years ago, unfortunately. I wish I had gotten the ASUS in hind sight :):)
 

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This was not common knowledge 7 years ago, unfortunately. I wish I had gotten the ASUS in hind sight :):)

The Asus RoG series is built like a rock. Better than Alienwares now that Dell has diluted their quality. MSI makes some well built ones too.
 
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The Asus RoG series is built like a rock. Better than Alienwares now that Dell has diluted their quality. MSI makes some well built ones too.
MSI was No. 3 on my list back then, too :D
Man, if only... Nah, its cool. I enjoy my Mac. Perhaps a nice PC gaming rig will come into fruition in my future :)
 

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There's this misconception that Macs last longer than laptops. This stems from the fact that people are buying cheap PCs and comparing them to expensive Macs. If you buy a $2200 Retina Macbook Pro today, it won't last you longer than any premium ($1500+) windows laptop.

Bottom line: Buy a Mac for the OS, not for the build quality or the longevity. It's not worth it for that.
I mean there is very little reason to buy the highest end MBP, most people would do fine with the 1300 or 1500 version. I'm hard pressed to find any Windows based laptops at that price that come close to a mac's build quality. When I was in college, Macs hadn't gotten to the popularity they are at now. Most people had Dells, including myself. I bought one of the higher end one that came out to ~2,000. It was POS and had terrible build quality.

Another thing that wasn't mentioned is that AppleCare is incredible. I had a 2009 MBP that had some issues with the motherboard, and despite several replacement boards, still didn't work. They wound up just giving me the newest model (2012 at the time) as a replacement. I'm still using that laptop with no issues.

I also say this as a PC fan, with a desktop that I built myself. As far as desktops go, I would never buy an Apple pre-built (or any prebuilt for that matter), but as far as laptops go, I wouldn't even consider buying a non-Apple laptop because I really don't see other laptops come close in build quality, even the higher end Windows based ones.
 

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I mean there is very little reason to buy the highest end MBP, most people would do fine with the 1300 or 1500 version. I'm hard pressed to find any Windows based laptops at that price that come close to a mac's build quality. When I was in college, Macs hadn't gotten to the popularity they are at now. Most people had Dells, including myself. I bought one of the higher end one that came out to ~2,000. It was POS and had terrible build quality.

Another thing that wasn't mentioned is that AppleCare is incredible. I had a 2009 MBP that had some issues with the motherboard, and despite several replacement boards, still didn't work. They wound up just giving me the newest model (2012 at the time) as a replacement. I'm still using that laptop with no issues.

I also say this as a PC fan, with a desktop that I built myself. As far as desktops go, I would never buy an Apple pre-built (or any prebuilt for that matter), but as far as laptops go, I wouldn't even consider buying a non-Apple laptop because I really don't see other laptops come close in build quality, even the higher end Windows based ones.

I don't think any PCs match a Mac's build quality, but there are some where the quality is so close, it doesn't make a difference.

A few come to mind for under $1500:

XPS 13
XPS 15
Surface Book
Surface Pro 4
Spectre x360
Thinkpad Carbon X1
Thinkpad T460s
 

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Guys, hate to revive a dead thread but Imma bump instead of new threading.
So I just realized the MBP has a potential new release for Q4 and most likely will leave the 2013/14 model in the dust in terms of specs. Kinda annoyed about this because I was about to buy the 13" but would probably feel slighted in a few months when the better processor/ram/etc model came out.

I suppose question for those who are in the know:
Do you think there will be an appreciable difference between the two?
I really like aluminum/alloy bodies, what other models are comparable to a MBP's chassis build?
Most ASUS gaming rigs blow the MBP specs out the water, but I see a lot of overheating issues. I don't want a DoA or dead in 12 months again. (For reference, my 09' MBP is running wonderfully but it's 17in and is a pain in terms of portability)

EDIT: No touchscreen BS, please, if suggesting something else. I enjoy my track pad or an external mouse and hate fingerprints on screens :D
 
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